Suppressed 22 - integral or w/can?


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sgtdevildog
February 26, 2010, 10:17 AM
I've finally got my ducks in a row and am ready to pick up my first suppressor. Have not dealt with this before so I'm pretty open. I'm going to start with a 22 and have far too many options. For those with both - do you find it better to just get a can separate from the 22 - or go with one of the internally suppressed 22's? I have nothing threaded at the moment and am trying to decide cost wise whether it's better to purchase a pistol and can separate or get one built in like from tactical solutions. I'm also looking at a separate 22 upper for the AR with similar questions. Thanks for your thoughts.

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farscott
February 26, 2010, 10:27 AM
I have both. I started with a can and later added an integrally suppressed Mark II.

If you have more than one .22 that you want to use suppressed or you want to be able to fire the same gun suppressed and not, a can makes sense. I wanted to be able to suppress a Mark II with a Tactical Solutions upper and a bolt-action rifle, so I started with a can. I ended up shooting the handgun a lot more often as the rifle gets pretty quiet with sub-sonic ammo like CBs, so I decided to get an integrally suppressed handgun. It also allowed me to use the other Mark II with its better-balanced original upper.

A can can be easier to clean as you can dunk the whole thing in Kroil and let is soak. I have to dis-assemble my integral's gun suppressor for cleaning, but it is only one screw to remove the suppressor from the gun.

MatthewVanitas
February 26, 2010, 11:53 AM
I faced the same dilemma, and got an integral Ruger MkII from John's Guns (Texas).

Overall I really like it, and it balances well, has long sight radius, and looks like a bull barrel.

That said, if I had to do it over again I'd get a detachable first, maybe an integral later on. A detachable can go on multiple guns, clearly, so the versatility is ever so higher.

I would vote, however, for getting a user-serviceable .22 can, as those critters get really, really dirty inside. My integral is user-serviceable, though it is a pain getting the baffles out from the end of the stack.


On a minor sidenote, the S&W 422 and related models can take a can with just a $20 threaded barrel nut, and the low bore axis keeps most cans below the line of sight. Plus neat design overall. Though I wouldn't say no to a Tactical Solutions threaded upper for Ruger or Browning.

sgtdevildog
February 26, 2010, 11:58 AM
It looks like I may get the separate can and since I'll have to purchase a pistol anyway I may well look at the S&W 422, along with the buckmark, etc. I appreciate the advice.

lions
February 26, 2010, 12:20 PM
I went with a separate can specifically because I have several .22s that I want to use it on. Sounds like you are in the same boat so I agree with getting a detachable suppressor.

I found a local gunsmith that threaded the bull barrel on my Ruger MKIII for about $50. Those Tac Sol uppers are nice but I'm not arguing with my savings.

sgtdevildog
February 26, 2010, 12:25 PM
Since I have to get a 22 of some kind anyway - my marvel conversion isn't threaded and I don't have a separate 22 semi - I think my options are pretty open. I don't want to spend a fortune given the added cost of can, tax stamp, etc., but want something I'll be happy with. Heard the MKIII are a pain to break down for cleaning - thinking Buckmark maybe w/tacticalsol barrel or maybe the S&W mentioned earlier. Anyone know where they get the threaded barrel nuts?

lions
February 26, 2010, 12:56 PM
You can always have the Buckmark barrel threaded instead of buying a pre-threaded tac-sol upper. Didn't mean to start a Ruger vs Buckmark thing, just saying you could do the same thing with a Buckmark as I did with my Ruger.

Here is a link to a S&W 422 threaded barrel nut:
http://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=13001&Show=ExtInfo

sgtdevildog
February 26, 2010, 01:08 PM
Thanks for the barrel nut link - I don't really know any gunsmiths in my area - having not gone down this road yet - although I'm sure somewhere in Atlanta area there is someone who does - yet another piece to consider.

waterhouse
February 26, 2010, 02:05 PM
Like others, I'd go for the detachable. I currently have 1 .22 supressor that goes on the following:

cz 452 in .22
cz 452 in 17 hm2
AR .22 dedicated upper
Buckmark pistol
Buckmark rifle
.22 conversion for a 1911

soon a Marlin p70, as soon as I get it threaded. I may get my smith 41 threaded as well, but that will be a bit down the road.

aubie515
February 26, 2010, 02:12 PM
I went with a can since I had a few host weapons. Made sense for me to do it this way versus just having on dedicated rifle. Especially if you end up selling the rifle...it's much easier to sell a rifle/pistol that is threaded versus selling a used suppressed weapon.

sgtdevildog
February 26, 2010, 02:30 PM
Does the 41 have a barrel nut like the 22A's or will the barrel have to be replaced with a longer/threaded one?

waterhouse
February 26, 2010, 04:00 PM
The 41 needs to be threaded, or bully barrels makes a threaded one.

sgtdevildog
February 26, 2010, 04:14 PM
Dang - bully barrels are a little pricey.

waterhouse
February 26, 2010, 05:16 PM
Unfortunately, threading the 41 isn't cheap either. Most barrels seem to be anywhere from $50-100 to get threaded, but I've been quoted $210 to have the model 41 threaded.

sgtdevildog
February 26, 2010, 05:18 PM
I'm thinking for my first time around a buckmark or S&W 22A or similar is looking a little better all the time.

LiquidTension
February 26, 2010, 05:39 PM
Buckmark or Ruger MkII/III will be the easiest to get threaded. My local smith threaded my MkII bull barrel, made a thread protector, and moved the front sight back for $75. Definitely go with a separate suppressor for a first can, it's nice to be able to swap it back and forth between other guns.

hirundo82
February 26, 2010, 07:08 PM
With a Buckmark you can just buy a threaded upper online; a new upper with the Rugers requires an FFL transfer.

guntrustlawyer
February 28, 2010, 02:59 AM
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Separate cans are more versatile. They can be switched amongst various weapons.

Marty Seidler
San Antonio Arms Company
www.guntrustlawyer.net

Sgt. Stiglitz
February 28, 2010, 07:41 AM
Like this.......Same can, Trinity 9 MM with a Multi-mount, I can even stick it on my 9 MM AR.

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