Les Baer Premier II - 10,000 round report


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The Wiry Irishman
February 26, 2010, 11:30 PM
The Gun:

Les Baer Premier II
1.5" Guarantee
Adjustable night sights
Bead-blasted hard chrome
Solid trigger
Ordered February 2009, received August 2009

Ammo

200 230gr. Gold Dot
200 230gr. +p HST
9000 230gr cast LRN reloads, loaded with mostly 4.8gr. Bullseye or 6.0 gr. Unique (excluding load development, also one or two thousand were loaded with 6.3 or 6.5gr Unique. 1000 Mastercast bullets, 8000 Missouri)
600 200gr cast SWC reloads, 3.6gr. Bullseye (Lasercast bullets)

Magazines:

Metalform 8 round, traditional metal follower
Metalform 10 round, rounded metal follower
Shooting Star 8 round, traditional metal follower
Baer 8 round, plastic follower
Tripp 8 round, hybrid follower
Tripp 10 round, hybrid follower
Kimber 7 round, traditional metal follower


Maintenance, etc:

18.5# recoil spring changed every 3000 rounds
Firing pin spring changed with every recoil spring (hey, they come with the Wolff recoil springs, so why not?)
Cleaned after every firing (ranging from 200 - 1000 rounds in one session)
Lubed with CLP initially, switched to FP-10
Detail stripped and detail cleaned every 2000 rounds
Mainspring replaced at 10,000 rounds

Issues:

2600 rounds - Barrel link pin broke. Contacted Baer, spoke to the man himself, had two free new ones at my door 48 hours later.

6000 rounds - Nub on slide stop that gets pushed up by follower broke clean off. Gun still functioned, just would not lock back on an empty mag. Also the rear sight blade seemed kinda loose. Sent it back to Baer, they fitted a new slide stop and gave me a new rear sight free of charge, I also had them fit a pair of spare extractors and a solid trigger on my dime. (after receiving the pistol, the speed hole trigger was the only thing I wished was different) Total time at Baer: a little less than a months. Impressive considering they had to have the slide stop and extractors plated. The gun came back almost as tight as it was when it was new.

9000 rounds - Tab on sear spring that holds it into the frame broke. Fitted a spare that used to be in my Kimber, it was back up in running in less than an hour.

About a quarter of my Metalform 8 round mags did not like to feed the last round, the slide would just skim right over it and lock up on an empty chamber. These mags were marked and set aside for range use. After returning from Baer to have the slide stop replaced, these mags functioned normally. I have had two malfunctions outside of breakin that were not magazine (aforementioned issue with Metalforms, the Baer mag it came with flips hollowpoints vertically inside the mag but feeds ball just fine) or ammo related. (backwards primer in reload, etc) Both were failures to feed where the bullet missed high going into the chamber and the case head stayed in the magazine. The last one occured between 6000 and 6200 rounds, making at least 3800 rounds since its last malfunction.

Wear, Accuracy, and Picturey Goodness:

My 10,000th round:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/03.jpg

Said round being fired:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/04.jpg

Accuracy - I only bench rest the gun during load development because its possibly the most boring thing you can do with a handgun. I was hoping I could get some nice little groups today to show how accurate this gun is, but I was a little off my game and they had some disappointing spread to them. I even completely missed the rings once. They were all shot at 15 yards, standing, 50 rounds per bull.

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/01.jpg

Sometimes your first shot on target is so good you just have to leave it alone and move on to the next one:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/02.jpg

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/05.jpg

Stripped down after I got it home: (10 1911 nerd points to the first person that can identify what part is missing)

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/06.jpg

Extractor:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/07.jpg

Ejector:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/08.jpg

Slide locking lugs:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/09.jpg

Barrel locking lugs:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/10.jpg

Bottom of slide:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/11.jpg

Top of frame:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/12.jpg

The best shot I could get of the bore with crappy light. It still looks like it did new, but shooting all lead like I do, it should last close to forever:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/13.jpg

Breech face:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/14.jpg

And it all put together again:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/15.jpg

General Thoughts:

I really love this gun, which explains why its my highest round count gun and how it got there so quickly. I really can't think of anything I'd want to change about it, or any real criticism of it. I especially love the hard chome finish, both the look of it, and the fact that it doesn't really wear, it just gets shiny. I do, however, find it amusing that I had more parts breakages with this gun in the first 6000 rounds (2) than I had with my MIM-filled Kimber that the internet tells me will crumble to dust at the first sign of danger (0). I'd be kinda miffed about that, but every company makes a few bad parts, I have been running it kind of hard (though I don't think the gun would know the difference between 10,000 rounds in 6 months and 10,000 in 6 years) and Baer service for my problems has been excellent. I couldn't be happier with my purchase.

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The Wiry Irishman
February 26, 2010, 11:32 PM
And one more pretty pic just for the heck of it:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~alowe/Baer10000/16.jpg

LeonCarr
February 26, 2010, 11:51 PM
For what you paid for that handgun, the handgun considered by many to be the Cadillac of 1911s, it seems like you had a bunch of stuff break before it was supposed to.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

lexjj
February 27, 2010, 01:00 AM
the missing part is the main spring. :)

DBR
February 27, 2010, 01:45 AM
The fact the link broke and the appearance of the front lug in the slide suggest the timing may be off.

Ruggles
February 27, 2010, 10:42 AM
Great write ! Nice pics as well.

Leave to the high road to have someone post a honest report on their gun and somebody feels the need to be negative and critical. :( I will never understand that mentality.

Great performance out of your Baer, the fact that you put 10,000 rds down range with it shows how much you enjoy it. Your and the gun's accuracy seem to be just fine to me as well :)

Did I mention great pics?

Congrats!!!!

harmon rabb
February 27, 2010, 10:58 AM
someone post the 75,000 round glock test where the only issue was the mag springs losing strength over time :o

LeonCarr
February 27, 2010, 11:06 AM
Mr. Ruggles,

I do not feel that my post was negative or critical, just realistic.

Les Baers are not inexpensive. IMO for what you pay for one it should clean your house and wash your car too, instead of breaking what are supposed to be premium grade parts inside of 10,000 rounds.

And without digging up and beating equine bones, I will say there are many handguns on the market that cost less and have fewer parts breakage issues than the subject Les Baer.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

steveracer
February 27, 2010, 11:07 AM
Yeah, but they had to shoot 75,000 rounds out of a Glock. Which would you prefer to shoot all that ammo out of?
Very nice pistol.

Ruggles
February 27, 2010, 02:27 PM
"Yeah, but they had to shoot 75,000 rounds out of a Glock. Which would you prefer to shoot all that ammo out of?
Very nice pistol."

That is the truth. :)


"Mr. Ruggles,

I do not feel that my post was negative or critical, just realistic.

Les Baers are not inexpensive. IMO for what you pay for one it should clean your house and wash your car too, instead of breaking what are supposed to be premium grade parts inside of 10,000 rounds.

And without digging up and beating equine bones, I will say there are many handguns on the market that cost less and have fewer parts breakage issues than the subject Les Baer."

You have you view and I have mine, just so happens you are wrong in this case. :) The man puts a lot of effort and time into a nice range report and your reply is basically "you got ripped off". At least that is how I read your post.

You do not like the price point of a Baer then don't buy one, bashing someone else for doing so is being negative and critical for no good reason. It seems you do not understand the 1911 platform well enough, if you did you would understand the price point for one from Baer, Brown, Wilson etc.

To the OP sorry to get sidetracked on your thread.

The Wiry Irishman
February 27, 2010, 02:38 PM
I do not feel that my post was negative or critical, just realistic.

I agree.

RP88
February 27, 2010, 02:42 PM
Honestly, that is disheartening that an LB had any sort of mechanical issue in 10k rounds. But as said, things do happen.

trbon8r
February 27, 2010, 08:02 PM
I do appreciate the OP's honest update about his Baer. So many folks sugar coat the details and range reports for their model or brand of choice for whatever reason. An honest report like this is most welcome.

That being said, posts like this are why I have sworn off ever buying another production 1911. From now on it will only be a custom build from the ground up by a local smith that I trust using components carefully selected by myself and the smith.

I've got some good production 1911s, but because it is an expensive design to manufacture, quality control is pretty much out the window and shortcuts in manufacturing are rampant. Getting a good or bad gun is too much of a crap shoot these days. I'll sink the money into a custom build put together by a guy that I know cares about his work instead of a guy that has a quota on how many guns he is supposed to build in an hour.

The Wiry Irishman
March 5, 2010, 01:10 AM
Here's something kinda silly but kinda neat I did with the 10000th piece of brass put through my gun:

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs491.snc3/26844_945115414108_13717046_51963104_946759_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs511.snc3/26844_945115374188_13717046_51963097_1586091_n.jpg

Hopefully I'll be able to fill the second cutout by the end of the year.

SSN Vet
March 5, 2010, 03:22 PM
that's a lot of rounds!!

nice looking pistol, me likey, likey!

nice write up... thanks for posting...

it was very.... Wiry :)

Sheepdog1968
March 5, 2010, 05:22 PM
Here's something kinda silly but kinda neat I did with the 10000th piece of brass put through my gun:

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs491.snc3/26844_945115414108_13717046_51963104_946759_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs511.snc3/26844_945115374188_13717046_51963097_1586091_n.jpg

Hopefully I'll be able to fill the second cutout by the end of the year.
Very cool idea. I've got about 9,000 rounds through my Sig P220. I will have to keep this in mind. So far it's been a good gun for me. If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably have gone with the all stainless version. There is some wear on the Aluminum frame and I will likely send it back to Sig just to have them give it a 10,000 round check up.

Rexster
March 6, 2010, 01:59 PM
It is good to see someone happy with their Baer. :) My Thunder Ranch Special has a special place in my heart, though it probably has less than 1000 rounds through it. Those rounds have been malfunction-free, which is better than can be said of my first Glock G22, a real drama queen. My second G22, however, was much better, only malfing once that I can recall.

I presently use SIG P229 pistols at work, police duty, so I carry them on my own time, too, as I like to keep things like trigger pull consistent 24/7. (I have to buy my own duty weapons, and only certain .40 DA pistols are on the present "approved" list.) The SIGs have been boringly reliable, but that type of boredom is quite OK with me. When I no longer have to carry a pistol that is DA for the first shot, I may revert to my 1911s as carry guns, and have been looking at, and handling, Baers such as the Premier II and SRP at a local dealer. I recently acquired a Josh Bulman FDS holster for the 1911, as I use an FDS to carry a P229 now. Familiarity is a good thing. :)

76shuvlinoff
March 6, 2010, 07:15 PM
Yeah, the OP got ripped off and he should send that pos to me so he won't be further humiliated by it. :rolleyes:

The report was nicely done, a breath of fresh air actually. The usual school of piranha is to be expected.

JellyJar
March 6, 2010, 08:48 PM
On that barrel locking lug picture, is that a crack in the barrel or a scratch or something else?

Patrick R
March 6, 2010, 09:09 PM
Nice gun.

For my Springfield TRP & Mil spec 45s.

I have been loading my Mastercast & Missouri 230 gr LRNs with 4.9 gr Unique.

Kicks pretty good at 4.9. I'll bet the recoil is heavy duty using 6.5 gr Unique?

surfinUSA
March 6, 2010, 09:47 PM
The OP did a great job in his report (thorough and honest, and surprisingly candid in light of the cost of his pistol).

But I also don't think any parts should break in 10,000 rounds either especially at the cost of that gun. But similar things happened in the well known sig 220 10,000 round test.

Would I say my Colt Combat Elite is a better value for the dollar? I don't know. I love the Colt but it will probably be a long time before it sees 10,000 rounds so I don't know how it will hold up. A commander I previously owned did so with nothing more than spring changes (recoil and magazine). But thats just one gun and one reason I bought another Colt. Other have had different experiences.

I think that leoncarr made a valid point in a respectful manner. And I think the Irishman got a good gun and is happy with his purchase so everything is pretty much cool in this thread.

Oh, by the way give me 75,000 rounds and I'll be happy to shoothem through one of my Glocks.

jpwilly
March 6, 2010, 11:05 PM
Great 10K report. I love 1911's that's one nice pistol. Mine is a PT 1911 with just over 4K rounds through it.

mec
March 7, 2010, 11:57 AM
Getting a good or bad gun is too much of a crap shoot these days. I'll sink the money into a custom build put together by a guy that I know cares about his work

The Right Thing To Do. The major suspects can advertise a good 1911 but their only real interest is the cash register. Capable and honest pistolsmiths are out there if you can find them-though they are very rare. One place to look would be the American Pistolsmith's Guild as they try to weed out crooks, weasels and borderline personalities.

The Wiry Irishman
March 8, 2010, 01:47 AM
I'll bet the recoil is heavy duty using 6.5 gr Unique?

At the outdoor range I use I would put a tarp in front of the enclosure (just a wood roof about 10-12 feet height) and stand next to it so it would catch my brass. 6.5 Unique isn't too bad to shoot, definitely stiff, but it would drop the brass on top of the enclosure. I developed the load to replicate the recoil of my carry ammo, then one day I was cycling my old carry ammo through and realized "Holy crap, I must have remembered something wrong, my plinking ammo is hotter than my carry ammo!" During load development I worked all the way up to the max of 7.3 grains. Let me tell you, that was brutal.

The Wiry Irishman
March 8, 2010, 01:50 AM
On that barrel locking lug picture, is that a crack in the barrel or a scratch or something else?

Something else. Specifically, a cat hair.

mec
March 8, 2010, 02:34 AM
I use 5.5 grains of Unique with tbat bullet to get mid 800s. It takes 6 grains to get the same velocity with hardball or speer 230 gold dots. Recoil feels factory-normal.

riceboy72
March 8, 2010, 03:32 AM
Excellent post. Thank you for the great pics, the good write up, and letting us know how your LB endured after a massive amount of rounds in a short period of time. You really did put it through a torture test, and it sounds like you're quite pleased with it despite the teething issues it had. This also served as a testament to the LB level of customer service. Nice to see companies still take care of their customers.

Out of curiosity, what Kimber model do you have and is it a Series I? I'm interested in knowing how many rounds you've put through it and what changes or repairs you've made to it.

1KPerDay
March 8, 2010, 11:46 AM
cool report and pics. Thanks for taking the time. :cool:

nitetrane98
March 8, 2010, 01:22 PM
Excellent, candid report. Particularly to be honest about breakage. You could have just as easily left that out and nobody would be the wiser. Then you could have a big slug of Flavor Aid and smuggly smile.

I hope it's not taken as bashing to mention that in virtually every "High Dollar vs Everything Else" thread, the "superior quality" of all internal parts is invariably mentioned as to why X gun costs more than Y gun. Your experience would tend to belie that notion. Besides the link pin, the other failures seem particularly rare, but failures nontheless. Kinda odd.

Bottom line, if it's a machine it's going to break, sooner or later.

I'll continue to covet your gun.

joe_security
March 8, 2010, 02:28 PM
Nice post, nice gun. Enjoy !

federalfarmer
March 9, 2010, 12:03 AM
Nice Pic's and Post, enjoy getting to 20k !

easyg
March 9, 2010, 09:37 AM
Great post.
Thanks for going through the trouble.

Lv4snobrdg
March 9, 2010, 10:00 AM
Alright Wiry, you need to sell that brass plaque!!! I will take two!

I too will echo the sentiments of the failures:cost (where : = ratio)

For all the Kimber/Mimber haters out there that brag up the Les Baer this objective and truthful assessment of the functionality and reliability of "the cadillac" of 1911's is awe inspiring. It can't be easy to report such structural issues on what is likely to be the most expensive 1911 (production) model you have, or ever have owned.

I truly appreciate the forthcoming nature and unflinching honesty of your report. Thank you very much for that!

I have a used Kimber, and a new Kimber that hasn't gone to the range yet thanks to the ammo shortage, that I could not tell you how many rounds have been put through it before I picked it up. I have put 2000 of my own through it, reloads/remington/cor-bon/wolf (steel case) and never had any malfunction that could be accurately blamed on the piece. Reloads have had feed issues but everything else I have fed it cycled flawlessly.

BTW: I'm with Leon. Ones opinion can only be construed as negative if that is how that recipient interprets it to be. Otherwise it is simply construed as an opinion of equal value to their own even if it contradicts their own.

earlthegoat2
March 9, 2010, 10:02 AM
I think it shows a lot of character on The Wiry Irishman's part to actually NOT bring up rediculous bashing and complaints associated with the SMALL problems he encountered with this gun. This lends considerable evidence to how truthful this 10000 round report is. Of course he must be quite meticulous to log all those rounds down to the exact 10000. Very well done and I am glad you are not part of the vocal minorty as to having said problems with the Baer.

Lv4snobrdg
March 9, 2010, 10:07 AM
I think it shows a lot of character on The Wiry Irishman's part to actually NOT bring up rediculous bashing and complaints associated with the SMALL problems he encountered with this gunFTF and FTE are small problems, I will agree that the slide lock is smaller than the barrel link. But any failure that results in a paperweight that can NOT defend you unless you pistol whip with it or throw it is not SMALL. Its major and had it failed in a defensive situation Wiry may not have had the chance to make his report.

SSN Vet
March 9, 2010, 11:55 AM
Wiry,

I'm going to start calling you "Wiry Joe Friday" for posting such a "just the facts maam" report.

Factual data is a wonderfull thing!

But when you sprinkle a little factual data into someones Kool Aide, step back and take cover.... it can be like dropping a Mentos in a Diet Coke, when facts meet our biases... either for, or against a particular point of view.

Some people "can't handle the truth"

Obviously, Wiry Joe Friday can.

Sheepdog1968
March 9, 2010, 03:50 PM
FTF and FTE are small problems, I will agree that the slide lock is smaller than the barrel link. But any failure that results in a paperweight that can NOT defend you unless you pistol whip with it or throw it is not SMALL. Its major and had it failed in a defensive situation Wiry may not have had the chance to make his report.
All the more reason to always carry a back up. Just in case. If you already have convinced yourself to carry, having a second one isn't an outrageous idea.

The Wiry Irishman
March 9, 2010, 04:11 PM
Alright Wiry, you need to sell that brass plaque!!! I will take two!

If you're serious, PM me an offer and we'll talk. I'd love to make some extra cash from my woodworking hobby.

FTF and FTE are small problems, I will agree that the slide lock is smaller than the barrel link. But any failure that results in a paperweight that can NOT defend you unless you pistol whip with it or throw it is not SMALL. Its major and had it failed in a defensive situation Wiry may not have had the chance to make his report.

Not disagreeing, but just as a point of interest I forgot to include in the report, the only breakage that rendered the gun totally non-functional was the broken sear spring, as the hammer would only drop to half cock when the trigger was pulled. I believe I mentioned that the broken slide stop only caused the gun to not lock back on empty mags. The gun would still operate with the broken link pin, just with frequent failures to feed easily cleared with a tap-rack-bang. I'm not sure when during my range session it broke, but the gun could have had as many as 200 rounds through it with the link pin broken.

All the more reason to always carry a back up. Just in case. If you already have convinced yourself to carry, having a second one isn't an outrageous idea.

Wise words.

HisSoldier
March 9, 2010, 04:21 PM
That is a nice gun. I wish I could afford one. They want almost as much for Dan Wessons now, and I want one of those too, though I'm not happy with the new finishes.

my MIM-filled Kimber that the internet tells me will crumble to dust at the first sign of danger (0).

Methinks you are exaggerating a tad. I have a Kimber with many thousands of rounds through it without any breakages, functionally it rates very good.

I'll never pay that much money again for an MIM filled gun though. That's a legitimate issue in my view. I paid $1250 for it and to replace the crappy parts with middle of the range quality parts would cost me another couple hundred, that's just not right.

For those who feel MIM is good, well, good for you! But when I buy a gun I expect machined parts.

Sheepdog1968
April 13, 2011, 08:42 PM
What's your round count up to these days as it's been a while since OP.

To celebrate the recent birthday of the 1911, I attended a local cleaning & maintenance 1911 class run by John Jardine at Reeds in Santa Clara. The man has been working on 1911s literally for 40 years and he provided a wealth of useful information. His estimation is that well made 1911s should be able to shoot at least 1 million rounds through them. He didn't say parts wouldn't break along the way so I'm not surprised by what you've seen. In fact, for some of the parts, he have estimates of when breakages start to occur.

I hope you've had the opportunity to shoot many rounds since your last post through that fine 1911 you have.

Leaky Waders
April 14, 2011, 09:19 PM
Very nice report.

So most of your shooting was done with reloads. How do you do it?

I mean how do you efficiently pick up all of your brass and what kind of press do you own? Do you bend over after every range outing or have some basket or tarp in a specific place to catch raining brass?

L.W.

Ankeny
April 14, 2011, 10:11 PM
Leave to the high road to have someone post a honest report on their gun and somebody feels the need to be negative and critical. I will never understand that mentality. At the risk of being negative and critical, three breakages in 9,000 would really be upsetting if it happened to the PII I used to shoot in competition...especially if it happened in a match.

The Wiry Irishman
April 15, 2011, 01:53 AM
What's your round count up to these days as it's been a while since OP.

At the risk of being negative and critical, three breakages in 9,000 would really be upsetting if it happened to the PII I used to shoot in competition...especially if it happened in a match.

Well, I'm only up to 15,500. The reason its so low is that because at that round count, it had to spend quite a while back at Baer because this happened:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/167372_10100248099283978_13717046_58000631_1169318_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/163719_10100248099458628_13717046_58000638_6305046_n.jpg

So to review, that's two broken slide stops, a link pin, a safety, a sear spring and a bushing in less than 16,000 rounds, which is an average of 1 broken part ever 2500 rounds or so. Incredibly unacceptable, and I can't blame it on the chroming. This gun has been relagated to competition only - bullseye and IDPA, and bullseye only once I build an IDPA-legal 1911. Its great fun to shoot, dead accurate, runs like a top if everything is in one piece, but there's no way I'm ever going to carry it again.

I mean how do you efficiently pick up all of your brass and what kind of press do you own? Do you bend over after every range outing or have some basket or tarp in a specific place to catch raining brass?

Shooting outdoors I use either a tarp or a homemade brass catcher I made out of PVC and a sheet. Indoors I just pick up the brass off the floor. It makes it easier if I use an ammo can top as a kind of improvised brass broom. After my latest round of reloading I found I really need to build a brass catching that will work inside, as I've lost about 3000 pieces of brass forward of the firing line at the indoor range in the last 6-8 months.

I load on a Dillon 650. I recently bought a casefeeder for it, and with a friend to reload primer tubes, I can do 1000 rounds an hour, 750 or maybe more loading my own.

Leaky Waders
April 15, 2011, 03:37 AM
Thanks for addressing the brass issue, that's the only issue I dislike about the 1911 platform...picking up brass.

I really want a 38 super, but am worried that I'll turn into that 'brass guy' on the range. So I end up sticking to 45 acp...if I get my brass that's a bonus, if the range is too busy or whatever then eh, they get to sweep it up.

My most recent purchase is a 1911 colt special combat government...it was only shot 200 rounds before I had to leave again. I did a brief post on it with some pics. It will be interesting to see how well the Colt holds up compared to the Baer.

L.W.

mljdeckard
April 15, 2011, 04:31 AM
I won't scoff or criticize, other than to echo what the OP said, I have a Kimber with a higher round count and none of the same problems.

Mp7
April 15, 2011, 05:42 AM
beautyful photos .. nice writeup.

But man, thatīs a lot of broken parts.


(Is there a report about a Sig .45 out there?)

Zerodefect
April 16, 2011, 02:43 PM
Sounds like alot of small parts issues. I wish LB would use better slide stop levers, thumb safeties, and a thick bushing. Even still.....these failure are not normal for LB. The link pin was probally a fluke.

I can handle a breakage form time to time. But when things are fitted or machined crooked I loose my mind.:fire: You've had some terrible luck with that weapon.

My DW V has a thick bushing and I really like the look as long as the recoil plug matches up.

I'd fit a DW bushing and recoil plug, Greider slide stop lever, and a Ed Brown thumb safety. Maybe pick up an Ed Brown pin set just to be safe. None of this should be nessasary on a $2K pistol.

The Wiry Irishman
April 16, 2011, 07:05 PM
I'd fit a DW bushing and recoil plug, Greider slide stop lever, and a Ed Brown thumb safety. Maybe pick up an Ed Brown pin set just to be safe. None of this should be nessasary on a $2K pistol.

The gun has had SVI hammer, trigger, sear, and thumb safety in it for a while now. I'm going to see how that works out. Any more issues and I'll start putting more SVI parts in.

Peter M. Eick
April 17, 2011, 09:25 AM
In Baer's defense I can add my own experience.

My PII 45 is at 7,744 rounds right now and has zero broken parts
My 10mm HWML is at 8,955 rounds right now and has had the rear sight pivot pin broken. Baer fixed it for free.

While not 10,000 rounds yet, I will get the HWML over 10,000 this year and probably get the PII 45 to over 9500 in 2011.

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