Ruger LCP or Taurus TCP


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giggitygiggity
February 27, 2010, 02:17 PM
Which of these two pistols is better? Please comment on size, accuracy, reliability, dependability, and ergonomics. If anyone can do a side by side picture comparison, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

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m2steven
February 27, 2010, 02:58 PM
I have both and I can tell you that I now carry the little TCP when I need a pocket pistol. It is a pleasure to shoot whereas the LCP is a PITA. I'd give the build quality nod to the Ruger, but that's just my impression. Functionality and design of the TCP are way ahead of the lcp. Both are very reliable and will be excellent carry pieces. Follow up shots are so much more easy with the TCP. I consider that very important for a 380.

gwlammers
February 28, 2010, 12:05 AM
You won't notice a big difference in size or weight. The TCP is less expensive, locks back on the last round, has loaded chamber indicator and better sites. Mine is more accurate than the LCP I used to own. I can't wait to get the extended magazine for my TCP.

SwampWolf
February 28, 2010, 03:07 PM
Because these two little .380s are so alike in features that really matter, for me it might come down to which of the two companies offers the best customer service(cs). My personal experience with Ruger with regards to cs has been stellar. Though I have no personal experience with Taurus in terms of cs, Taurus seems to have a checkered record in their dealings with customer problems from what I read on the internet.

Macchina
February 28, 2010, 06:32 PM
I have handled my friends LCP and decided to get the TCP based on his so-so liking of the LCP (granted, he has several $2000 race guns, so pleasing him may be hard). I liked the feel of the TCP and the stainless slide was very nice to boot! After taking the TCP to the range, I was very happy with my decision. The trigger is quite nice on it and it can be shot quite well at 7 yards.

Here is a review I did of the TCP (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=505268&highlight=tcp). I have since brought it to the range once more and it performed flawlessly with aluminum cased Blazer rounds.

Macchina
February 28, 2010, 06:33 PM
Do you know when that extended mag is supposed to come out? I've been wanting one myself...

jon_in_wv
February 28, 2010, 06:37 PM
How is the LCP a PITA to shoot? I've put 150+ rounds in one session through my LCP and I find it to be a great shooter.

The TCP looks like a very similar design, almost the same size and weight. I don't get it.

palabman
February 28, 2010, 11:46 PM
I just picked up a TCP last weekend and so far I like it. I was able to compare both and just liked the way the TCP felt in my hand. Only put 50 rounds thru and have had only one fail-to-feed.

m2steven
March 1, 2010, 08:49 AM
my lcp is a pita to shoot because it hurts my trigger finger and other parts of my hand when recoiling.

AJChenMPH
March 1, 2010, 10:51 AM
I have fired neither, so can't comment on that aspect.

However, in handling both, the TCP ergos just felt better in my hand. I'll probably get one in the near future.

How is the LCP a PITA to shoot? I've put 150+ rounds in one session through my LCP and I find it to be a great shooter.

The TCP looks like a very similar design, almost the same size and weight. I don't get it.
I'd say that until you've handled and shot both, it's tough to say why they're different. Perhaps the bore axis is just a little different, or the material of the grip is different -- a lot can contribute to why similarly-shaped and -sized guns feel differently to different people.

Ben86
March 1, 2010, 11:01 AM
I have not been able to do a side by side comparison myself, but I can tell you that I have and lcp and it is a great gun to carry but not pleasant to shoot. I hate how it tries to jump out of my hand, that little rascal. I doubt the tcp is all that pleasant but it does have a more comfortable feel and a better trigger.

cskny
March 1, 2010, 11:21 AM
I can't comment of reliabilty, etc. I can say in my comparisons, the TCP has better ergonomics for my hands. I can keep both fingers on without an extension and it just generally feels like I get a much more solid and natural grip.

vtbluegrass
March 1, 2010, 11:28 AM
The TCP ergonomics are better. Recoil is more controllable in my opinion. Last shot hold open is nice too.

jon_in_wv
March 1, 2010, 09:49 PM
True I can't comment on shooting them side by side but I have had extended shooting sessions with my LCP and I can say without a doubt that not all people would have issues firing the LCP. I fired a P3AT on one occasion and actually, even though it seems it would be almost identical to the LCP, I thought it had more felt recoil than my LCP. I even had a little slap to the front of my trigger finger with the P3AT that I've never felt with my LCP. I've read other guys saying the LCP recoils MORE than the P3. It must be a very personal thing.

herkyguy
March 2, 2010, 10:12 AM
No knowledge of TCP. But I just put another 25 or so rounds through my LCP yesterday. I have yet to experience any failure with the gun. The springs are a little weak, but the slide only locks back when I manually chamber a round. Once firing, it works like a champ. It's small, light, and reliable. 350+ rounds and it's still doing what it is supposed to do every time i squeeze the trigger. It will hurt the trigger finger after an extended session at the range. This is not to say any gun is better or worse, just my observations on my little LCP.

pktrkt
March 2, 2010, 08:12 PM
Started out years ago with the Hard Chrome P3AT, carried it daily in a pocket hoster. When the LCP became available I changed over only because of the slide hold open, not after last round but you can manually. The LCP felt maybe some better but not lots better. Then I came in contact with the TCP and absolutly love it. Of all 3 I find myself going back to the LCP only because of the Crimson Trace I put on it. When the CT becomes available for the TCP it will be my daily pocket pistol. For my 54 yr old beefy hands the TCP seems to fit better. As far as shooting, the TCP seems to be more accurate out to 20 yds, about as far as I want to use the .380. After shooting about 100 rounds out of the TCP it seems to have less recoil than the P3AT or LCP. None of them are very comfortable to shoot gobs of rounds thru so when practicing remember after awhile you start jerking instead of squeezing. These opinions are just that my opinions in my pistols only. Try to shoot both before buying, if possible, and then decide. Everybody's hands are different and what works for me may not for someone else.

351 WINCHESTER
March 2, 2010, 08:52 PM
I love my lcp. It is scary accurate and 100% so far. It shoots different ammo, including reloads without a hitch. If it ever needs repair I know ruger will take care of it in short order.

aliasneo07
March 2, 2010, 09:47 PM
My LCP has been flawless for about 350 rds. Its fed Magtech FMJ, WWB FMJ, PMC FMJ, 90gr Federal Hydrashok reduced recoil JHP, Speer Gold Dot 90gr JHP, and Remington 90gr Golden Saber JHP with no problems. I find the gun to be relatively easy to shoot. I mean its not something I'd go target shooting with. You feel it when you pull the trigger compared to a full size gun....but this gun wasn't built for range use. That being said I've put 100rds down range in one session and my hand didn't hurt when I left. Can't say the same for the S/W made Walther PPK I used to have.

I vote for the LCP. Plus, crimson trace doesnt have an offering for the TCP as far as I know, if that is important to you.

palabman
March 2, 2010, 10:22 PM
On the Crimson Trace websight the TCP version is listed as "coming soon"...

Big Bill
March 2, 2010, 10:25 PM
I have an LCP. I wouldn't buy a Taurus, just because it's a Taurus. I wouldn't care if they were givin em away.

cskny
March 3, 2010, 04:44 AM
If you "would never buy a taurus", why are you posting in a Taurus comparison thread?

You obviously don't have any experience with the TCP, correct?

He didn't ask "do you own an LCP"

Ben86
March 3, 2010, 07:41 AM
I have an LCP. I wouldn't buy a Taurus, just because it's a Taurus. I wouldn't care if they were givin em away.

Perpetuating the myth that Taurus is utter garbage. Very well, more for me.

dom1104
March 3, 2010, 09:07 AM
Problems with Tauri is far from myth.

That said, I might try out the TCP.

GRIZ22
March 3, 2010, 10:14 AM
Both pistols have been out a short time. Any valid opinion would be from someone who has both and shot both a lot. I'd buy the one with the features I liked and take it from there.

AJChenMPH
March 3, 2010, 10:17 AM
Problems with Tauri is far from myth.

That said, I might try out the TCP.
The TCP is made in the USA (vs. Brazil for most -- if not all -- of their other handguns), and apparently the quality control is better as I've seen much fewer initial complaints about it vs. their other handguns.

I have a PT-709, and so far (~325 rounds) it's been 99.7% reliable (I literally have had only one failure to feed because I didn't have the mag fully seated...user error :o ).

Ben86
March 3, 2010, 11:37 AM
Problems with Tauri is far from myth.

They have problems like any other company, and maybe not the best most friendly customer service(they just always seem to have an attitude when I call), but they still make really good firearms that won't break the bank and back them up with a lifetime warranty.

Tacoma
March 3, 2010, 09:28 PM
Of the 5 ( Revolvers) I ever owned, 3 were problem childs. The last, ( and it will be the last) I had blow up in my hand due to a manufacturing defect.

Ya pays yur money and ya takes yur chances!

jon_in_wv
March 10, 2010, 10:14 PM
I won't perpetuate a myth but I have bought exactly one Taurus and my experience with it leads me to believe that it will be the ONLY Taurus I will ever own. It was garbage even after I sent it back TWICE. I don't care if the TCP shoots lasers, I'll stick with my LCP or a Keltec. I've had no troubles from either company.

dom1104
March 10, 2010, 10:32 PM
Taurus has one thing going for it.

Variety. You can get your pistol however you want it, including with gold bling. lol.

And they come out with 20 new models a year.

What they dont have going for them is quality.

That said, I am tempted by a lot of their tracker series of revolvers, thats something you cant find anywhere else.

Anyhow, for a gun that the holster doesnt really matter, since it will be carried in a generic pocket holster, that doesnt cost very much, I would be tempted to try a tcp.

FenderTK421
March 11, 2010, 03:47 AM
I have tried the LCP. When I get it back from Ruger I will be purchasing a TCP. Love my Tauri!

blue_ridge
March 11, 2010, 11:50 AM
I'm not hearing many reliability reports from the Taurus owners. But most of the Ruger owners have stated they have had no reliability issues. That said, I like that both the LCP and TCP are manufactured in the USA. That encourages me to consider the Taurus anyway.

jon_in_wv
March 13, 2010, 01:35 PM
If you aren't hearing then you aren't searching it out. You will find plenty of complainers for any firearm. Personally, my LCP has been superb but there are some out there who have had less luck to be sure.

Cards81fan
March 28, 2010, 12:46 AM
Today I fired about 3 magazines through my father's new TCP. I am ready to trade up from my LCP to one of these for several reasons:


The trigger was smoother, shorter, and lighter - but not too short or too light for a carry piece
The trigger guard is angled/sloped out, and not back in towards your trigger finger. This allows more room for you if you are wearing gloves (I cannot fit a gloved finger in my LCP without working it in there, and I have small hands). This also prevents the trigger finger from getting slapped against the inside of the guard, which can cause it to go numb (happens to me occasionally)
The reset is noticeably shorter on the TCP. About one our of every 20 shots with my LCP I will not release the trigger enough to reset it.
The palm swell is a bit fuller on the TCP. Not much, but enough it makes it more comfortable IMHO
It has a REAL slide lock and release, meaning it locks back on the last fired round of the magazine


I am happy with my LCP for what it is (carried often, shot infrequently), but the TCP really has refined some of the shortcomings that existed in other micro .380 pistols. I would find myself shooting it more at the range than my LCP if I owned one. As it stands now, I only shoot my LCP enough to stay proficient, then it's off to my full-size pistol.

Johnny Lightning
April 2, 2010, 07:29 AM
I purchased a TCP about 2 months ago and am very happy w/ it. I had been looking at the p3at, lcp, and tcp. I ruled out the p3at because of the grip and just all around feel that didn't agree w/ me. I was just about ready to buy an lcp when I got interested in the tcp from taurus. I handled them side by side at my local gun shop and felt that the tcp had a better feel in the hand then the lcp and had alot better features then the lcp. Over the lcp the tcp has an extra clip, loaded gun indicator, lock back on the last round, stainless steel slide (keep in mind that if you are using as a pocket pistol it will wear and possibly get wet on occasion), and one of my favorite features the lock out feature which when activated w/ a key will make the gun unable to be loaded or fired (I have 2 kids so this is a great feature and I use it every day). I purchased the tcp that day (same $ as the lcp at the gun shop) and brought it home and cleaned it up for shooting.

I shot the tcp in my back yard w/ good results. out of 200rnds of different 380 ammo i had one fte (limp wrist) and two failure to feed the last round. On the two failures to feed the last round the tcp will lock back like it is empty w/ one remaining bullet in the mag. I do not completely understand why but it will not deterr me from still loving this pistol and hope that when it is fully broke in that it will not be an issue. The accuracy is VERY good for a pocket pistol! I was shooting form 15yrds and keeping a 6" group not bad in my opinion considering that if needed it in a situation you will not be any further then that away from an assailant. I also think that the kick is not bad at all either - I would say it compares to my glock 27.

I purchased a desantis pocket holster for every day carry and a desantis belt holster w/ elastic extra clip holder built it for range work. I love both the holsters and forgot to mention that the tcp comes w/ a bullydog pouch holster that i used twice and decided that i didn't like it much and put it w/ my pile of other useless shooting stuff.

I hope this helps anyone on the fence of which pocket pistol to buy. :)

PX15
April 2, 2010, 12:29 PM
JMOfartO:

Folks, it all boils down to a person's "personal experience" with ANY pistol...

Folks who have had good experiences with Taurus will probably buy the TCP, and those with a history of happiness with Ruger will lean towards the LCP..

With all of the new 380's on the market a buyer for the 380 caliber pistol certainly has a lot of choices now...

I have a Seecamp LWS380, and recently bought a new Ruger LCP, to which I added a CT Laser.. I love my Seecamp, but you can never have too many pistols and revolvers.... :D

Of all the new 380's hitting the market the only one I absolutely don't care for is the new Sig... The new Sig 380 is a single-action, and while it's a beauty (and a clone of the old Colt Mustang) I just don't want a single action pistol for my cc choice.

I love Sigs (had a P220 and P239) but if I ever have to use my cc weapon in defense of my life all I want to do is pull the trigger, anything beyond that is wasting time, or adding complications. Time I might not have and complications I certainly don't need.

I'm sure there are plenty of extremely happy Sig owners who would disagree with me about the single-action issue, and that's ok too.

If you have a Taurus and are happy with it then it's the gun for you.

Same with any other brand.. ;)

No offense to anyone, just expressing my old fart, senior citizen, opinion.


Best Wishes,

Jesse

P.S. In a cc world where "tiny" is desirable... Obviously the Seecamp is highly desirable.. :)

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Nushif
April 2, 2010, 05:51 PM
They *Seem* really similar, but I've never shot either.

I'd say get the TCP though, because the slide looks nicer. :D

KevinR
April 2, 2010, 07:16 PM
I have owned two Taurus's both had defects right out of the box. I sold both of them and now I dont even look at them at the gun shop.

Phydeaux642
April 2, 2010, 08:01 PM
The TCP is made in the USA (vs. Brazil for most -- if not all -- of their other handguns), and apparently the quality control is better as I've seen much fewer initial complaints about it vs. their other handguns.

That makes me a little more interested in the TCP. I never thought about them having to make the gun in the USA, but I guess they do due to import laws. In the past I said that I never wanted one of these little guns to carry (although I did buy the P238 just because it was cool), but on the rare occasion that I might not be able to carry my 642 one might come in handy. I ordered an LCP from my LGS today, but may have to rethink this. They had a TCP in stock ready to go.

tpatru
April 12, 2010, 03:43 PM
I am considering getting either the tcp or lcp...checked them both out at the store and am leaning toward the lcp. I've had the Taurus 709 for over a year now...about 300 rounds so far without a single problem.
The one thing I noticed between the two .380s is that the Ruger barrel seems to be noticeably thicker than the TCP's. Not sure how much that really matters...but I did get the impression of better quality from the ruger. The taurus seemed to have a nicer trigger pull though; that, the lower price, and the extra mag make me lean heavily toward it.

fatcpa
April 12, 2010, 04:06 PM
I've owned the TCP 738 for about 3 months. I think it's a great little gun. In recent years I have owned Glocks, Rugers, Kahrs, Springfield Arms, and Colt, along with Taurus pistols. Unlike some here, I've had very good luck with the Taurus guns. Take them out to the range, shoot them and keep them clean. Sunday I went to the range. Shot my Colt 1911 for a while, then pulled out my Kahr CW40. After being abused by it for a while, I pulled out the little Taurus 380. After the Kahr, it felt like a 22. I shot some Cor Bon hollowpoints and a box of Fiochi ball ammo, shooting a magazine at a time as fast as I could pull the trigger. From 10 yards, all rounds hit within a paper plate sized circle. Not a single problem in 72 rounds of rapid fire. All toll, the TCP has over 400 rounds thru it without a hiccup. I had an LCP for a couple months. Very reliable, very accurate, but not fun to shoot.

mgmorden
April 13, 2010, 09:20 AM
How is the LCP a PITA to shoot? I've put 150+ rounds in one session through my LCP and I find it to be a great shooter.

My complaint there (though it would almost certainly apply to the TCP too) is just it's size, but that's kind of unavoidable for this style of pistol. It's small to hold on to, and much harder than a standard sized grip to hold right (at least for me). My LCP is the ONLY handgun that's even nicked the top of my hand from griping it too high.

It serves it's purpose though. I'm not comfortable carrying IWB or OWB, and the LCP drops right into my pocket (I keep it in a Desantis Nemesis which works great). I think I may look into a Kahr CW9 though for carry in an inside jacket pocket during winter.

trimore
April 13, 2010, 09:28 AM
I have the LCP and do like it for what it is. It is not a range gun. About 50 rounds is my comfortable limit. Cost of rounds makes that wise anyway.

I did polish the ramp and that resolved some feed issues I was having with non-SD rounds. It also tends to launch casings at your head at times. Some have put a heavier spring in and resolved that issue.

roka
April 14, 2010, 02:55 AM
I have the LCP and enjoy shooting it. It did take a little getting used to since I'd never used a "mini" gun before. Once I learned how to handle it I haven't had any problems. It's very accurate and I've never had a jam. I've put several hundred round through it now. My only complaint is the slide not locking open after the last round.

Maximum1
April 15, 2010, 10:54 PM
I can't figure out how some people take issue with the LCP... It's a good little pistol; it's on par, and even better than most 380's

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PX15
April 16, 2010, 08:14 AM
Max1:

Just personal opinion, but no matter WHAT the conversation is about sooner or later someone will come along who will not agree with the consensus of the majority.

I have an LCP with a CT Laser and I love it. :D

Surprisingly accurate and reliable right out of the box.. Easy to conceal and in my experience a very, very good little pistol.

No offense to those who disagree.

Best Wishes,

jesse

MCgunner
April 16, 2010, 08:27 AM
I must say I prefer the Taurus, but then, I've got three Taurus revolvers that are awesome. I'm not a Taurus basher, got better things to do, like shoot my Tauri.

I like the TCP for the stainless, but also, reports of its accuracy are good and the slide does lock on the last round which it should. Most of the reports of the TCP I've been getting from actual owners is good to great. They're made in Florida, too, have to be by law if they wanna sell 'em in the US.

Got nothing against the Ruger, excellent little gun, just that the Taurus is a little less money and offers stainless. For a carry gun, if I have the option, I'll always go stainless.

I've sure been thinkin' about adding a TCP, just don't have the need, really. I might buy one anyway, though, never know. But, I don't carry the .380 I've got, though I kinda like this new 9mm Mak chambered P64 I picked up recently. It might be just the new to me thing, but it's very accurate, 3" at 25 yards accurate. Accuracy always endears me to a gun. Besides I can find CHEAP ball ammo, under 10 bucks, in 9x18. I reload, but I mean with ammo that cheap......

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