If Glocks aren't the best, then what is the best?


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jakemccoy
February 27, 2010, 03:47 PM
This other thread left me wondering.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=506198

That thread obviously proves that many people believe that Glocks aren't the best. Then that means these same people also believe there does exist a best handgun brand, right? Unfortunately, the original post in that other thread does not state what is the best handgun brand. Well, that's odd.

What is the best handgun brand and why?

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Shortdog22
February 27, 2010, 03:49 PM
Ruger. IMHO. They are simple, reliable and affordable. And can be pretty to boot.

mcdonl
February 27, 2010, 03:59 PM
I think you would have to break it down my price ranges. Really, you cannot compare a $200 gun to a $1500 gun when discussing the best.

If you just talking about the ability to put lead on a target when you pull the trigger, that's easier but so many folks consider aesthetics, ergonomics, materials, flexibility, capacity and customer service.

Boats
February 27, 2010, 04:11 PM
It is not a binary situation. There is no "best." If someone starts popping off that the HK45 is the best I'll dog that thread too. If someone starts claiming the 1911A1 is the best, I'll knock that too, though the pistol is one of my favorites.

Every service caliber handgun made by a reputable manufacturer brings something to the table, even those misshapen Glocks, but to contend that any of them are the one true sword based upon popularity or military service record is nonsensical.

The "best" pistol is rather generic. It's the one that the individual performs with the best. Extrapolating from there to the "best for everyone," or "best overall" is a fool's errand.

The Lone Haranguer
February 27, 2010, 04:15 PM
Ruger. IMHO. They are simple, reliable and affordable. And can be pretty to boot.
I usually don't see "Ruger autoloader" and "pretty" in the same sentence. :p Although the newer P345 and SR9 are pretty sleek.

ghitch75
February 27, 2010, 04:24 PM
not the best but i like it a lot better than a glock...
http://i50.tinypic.com/20p9qc.jpg

Balrog
February 27, 2010, 04:29 PM
That thread obviously proves that many people believe that Glocks aren't the best

I think those people are wrong. I own guns of many different makes. Of them, Glocks are some of the least expensive, yet most reliable.

My Glock 21 is my bedside gun, not my Wilson semi customs.

gwnorth
February 27, 2010, 04:31 PM
Your premise is wrong. Just because someone thinks that glock does not make the best pistol (whatever "best" actually means), does not mean that they must believe some other make/model is best.

Before you can even select a best, you need to define what constitutes best. And I defie anyone to do that without a bucketload of purely subjective and opinionated criteria.

Girodin
February 27, 2010, 04:34 PM
There is no best. If someone claims otherwise I suggest you use maximum skepticism to their claims. Best is very depended on what you are asking it to do and beyond that there is still a lot of room for subjective preferences. Even trying to be objective best will depend on what criteria you use and what weight you give it which again gets back to subjective preferences.

I agree with boats's post above.

cottonmouth
February 27, 2010, 04:36 PM
What's best? A Glock with a LW barrel! Just joking ok? The best handgun you can have is the one that's in your hand when you really need it. Is there a "best"?

J.B.

Girodin
February 27, 2010, 04:37 PM
Of them, Glocks are some of the least expensive, yet most reliable.

And who says that constitutes best? What relevance does price have? It probably depends on who you ask. Gwnorth's post articulates the point well.

jakemccoy
February 27, 2010, 04:50 PM
It is possible to pick a best handgun brand. There is absolutely is a best handgun brand for each person. It's your personal opinion, but it's what you think is the best nonetheless. This is not that deep folks.

Claude Clay
February 27, 2010, 04:55 PM
the best for what application??

it is like asking for one best in any category--it dont exist
is rolls-royce the best car;
.... if you want to tow a boat it aint.

the best is what works for you in the conditions you need it for.

gwnorth
February 27, 2010, 05:00 PM
I'll have to disagree. If you say something is not "the best", then that means you believe in the concept of something being the best. As I state in the original post, what is that best? "I don't know" is a suitable answer to the question.

Nope. If I say that Glock's are not the best, I may simple be saying that, since I believe there is NO best, it can no more be a Glock then any other make or model.

And personally, I do NOT believe that there is any way to define best in this context in anything even remotely approaching an objective criteria. It's like asking what's the best car, TV, cell phone, brand of toilet paper, whatever. There is no purely objective means of comparison, so there cannot be any one single "best".

Speaking purely from my own personal bias, I do not own, and have no desire to own, any striker fired pistol. All mine - Colt, SIG, CZ - are hammer fired pistols, either DA/SA or SAO with manual safety. So for me, Glock's aren't even up for consideration in any comparison. And just what does that mean - nothing, other then me expressing my preference. Which is all the "glock's are best" people are also doing.

jakemccoy
February 27, 2010, 05:05 PM
I didn't realize the question was so hard. I'll take a crack at it.

The best brand of basketballs is Spalding because the feel is superb and it's the official brand for the NBA.

The best brand of running shoes is Adidas because they don't give me blisters and they fit my feet great.

The best brand of mayonnaise is Best Foods because it tastes outstanding and has the smoothest texture.

The best brand of handguns is Glock because, for my purposes, they have the most desirable combination of features, reliability, durability, simplicity and customer service. I just want the simplest, most reliable tool. In my experience, Glock is the best for this purpose.

There, I did it. These are all my opinion of course, but it is possible to pick a best brand of anything.

christcorp
February 27, 2010, 05:19 PM
If anyone tells you that a certain brand and model pistol is the best, then they have no idea what they are talking about. There is no "best" out there. And to think there is, is delusional. Pick any pistol in the world, no matter the price, and I can find someone whereby that pistol is NOT the best. Size, caliber, recoil, concealment, etc... Something about that gun will NOT be the best for either a particular person or a particular purpose. And most manufacturers of pistols are the "Best" pistol for someone; some place. And it really is that simple

And the only thing worse than our little debates, is when some WELL MEANING husband (Usually) or parent, says: "I'm going to buy "X" pistol for my wife, son, daughter, for .........". If a person wants to "PAY" for a gun for another person, that is admirable. We need more armed citizens and we need more shooter and gun enthusiasts. But the person who is going to be owning/shooting the gun, is the one who needs to pick it out. And if you let that person shoot numerous calibers of your gun so they can get a feel for it, and after shooting a bit, they "Prefer" a 32acp, or a 380, or a 9mm, or WHATEVER CALIBER", it is not your place to tell them that they shouldn't get that caliber. Now, if they really like a 380 in a CZ-83, but they are looking for themselves a 380 is the size of an LCP, Tomcat, AMT backup, or other micro-gun. You can let them know than the smaller size is going to feel a lot stronger than the larger CZ-83 in the same caliber. But you shouldn't lean them towards or away from any caliber. If they get a caliber they like and are comfortable with, then they will practice more and have more fun. I will put my elderly mom shooting the walther 32acp PPK up against many people 1/2 her age shooting their 40sw. I know for a fact, that my mom will hit the size of a grapefruit EVERY SINGLE SHOT with that 32acp. And if the time ever comes where she would have to defend herself with that pistol, I know she would be able to do it. Compared to the person with the bigger caliber that they don't react well with, don't practice as much with, and aren't orgasmic about shooting.

So no, there is no "best" gun. Don't look for it, because it doesn't exist. However, there IS a gun out there that is perfect for YOU and for your PURPOSE. And that gun could be a glock 19; or a springfield 1911A1; or an H&K; or a S&W Revolver; or an LCP; or YES, even a Hi-Point. I hope you find YOUR perfect gun. It's out there. My perfect pistols for "Most" situations have been a CZ-82 and a SigSauer P220. I can consistently hit my 3" circle quickly and reliably every time up to 30 feet. And that is the distance I train for. And neither gun recoils enough to be noticeable. And I'll take my guaranteed 7 shots from my P220 45acp or 12 shots of 9mm makarov over anyone's 15-18 round glock where they'll probably miss 1/2 or more of their shots.

jakemccoy
February 27, 2010, 05:23 PM
Ruger. IMHO. They are simple, reliable and affordable. And can be pretty to boot.

A+

That makes sense to me, thanks.

searcher451
February 27, 2010, 05:28 PM
There's no easy answer here, and no answer at all that everyone would agree with. The best gun for you isn't necessarily the best gun for me, or for anyone else. If there truly were a "best gun" out there someone, we'd all own one, no doubt -- and every other gun company would soon be out of business. I'm a Walther fan and would rank it high on the list of top-quality manufacturers. But I'd be hard-pressed to say that Walthers are the best guns out there, even though I'd buy one before I'd get just about anything else that's for sale these days.

As the wise man said, Beauty is in the eye of the gun-holder.

Guillermo
February 27, 2010, 05:34 PM
My definition of "best" does not include price.

"Best Value" I would put Glock in the running.

gwnorth
February 27, 2010, 05:37 PM
Wow, I didn't realize the question was so hard. I'll take a crack at it. Let's see if I can do it.

The best brand of basketballs is Spalding because the feel is the best.

The best brand of running shoes is Adidas because they don't give me blisters and they fit my feet best.

The best brand of mayonnaise is Best Foods because it tastes the best and has the smoothest texture.

The best brand of handguns is Glock because, for my purposes, they have the most desirable combination features, reliability, durability, simplicity and customer service.

There, I did it. These are all my opinion of course, but it is possible to pick a best brand of anything.


:confused: That's just silly. You have not in fact picked the best of anything. You've just listed the ones you like the most, which is a completely different thing then defining something as "best". Preference is fine, but it is hardly the point when you ask people to list THE best of something, when everyone cannot even agree on the basis for deciding the best.

jakemccoy
February 27, 2010, 05:40 PM
So far, I see 2.5 answers to the original question. All the non-answers tell me a lot actually.

jmortimer
February 27, 2010, 05:40 PM
It is possible to talk about the best. Overall, it is hard to say any manufacturer is better than SigSauer. A Wilson Combat 1911 is a nice gun. Glocks are good service pistols. Depending on the owner Glock might be the best choice even if it is not the "best" gun.

EddieNFL
February 27, 2010, 05:43 PM
Whatever I own.



"I" being anyone who posts a response.

jakemccoy
February 27, 2010, 06:05 PM
It is possible to talk about the best. Overall, it is hard to say any manufacturer is better than SigSauer. A Wilson Combat 1911 is a nice gun. Glocks are good service pistols. Depending on the owner Glock might be the best choice even if it is not the "best" gun.

Thank you. Can you expand on your reasons for SigSauer?

jmortimer
February 27, 2010, 06:20 PM
Sigs have really nice fit and finish and design. One way I would consider it is comparing the Glock to an AK47. You can get them dirty and they keep on ticking. Parts are not refined and tolerances are not exact but they just work. They are clunky and look funky. Now the Sig might be more like an H&K XM8. It is more refined, better machined and "tighter." But that does not mean the Sig or the H&K XM8 are "safe queens" - they can get out there and smoke a BG even with some dirt.

Boats
February 27, 2010, 07:00 PM
I didn't realize the question was so hard. I'll take a crack at it.

The best brand of basketballs is Spalding because the feel is superb and it's the official brand for the NBA.

The best brand of running shoes is Adidas because they don't give me blisters and they fit my feet great.

The best brand of mayonnaise is Best Foods because it tastes outstanding and has the smoothest texture.

The best brand of handguns is Glock because, for my purposes, they have the most desirable combination of features, reliability, durability, simplicity and customer service.

There, I did it. These are all my opinion of course, but it is possible to pick a best brand of anything.

That food factory mayonnaise is on your personal list when you could have chosen anything on the planet is damning.

Whatever the "best" of anything is, it isn't going to be a whipped glob of cheap stuff thrown together for ease of manufacture and shelf life by "food scientists" at the expense of well, every other factor. Scratch mayo with fresh and hand selected ingredients is so easy Geico's caveman could do it.

That Glock affection you have has become far more understandable within the context of your more general "taste."

Mike J
February 27, 2010, 07:11 PM
I'm with the "there is no best" crowd. I believe that we are individuals that have different tastes & come in different shapes & sizes. There is no way to determine what is best because it is too subjective.
For me I own 3 different brands of semi-autos & they all work. If I ever find myself in a situation the best one will be the one I have with me that day. I tend to think autos are best for home defense, or when in town, revolvers are best for the woods. There are people who would disagree with me. I don't think they are wrong. Different things just work better for different folks.
Why is it so important to you to quantify what is best? Why does it matter what other people think about your choices?

bds
February 27, 2010, 07:20 PM
What's best? A Glock with a LW barrel! Just joking ok?

Good one :D and I am not joking.

I don't think we could answer a "best gun" question, there are too many variables. Even though I am a fan of Glocks, they won't survive a house fire whereas my 1911s and other full metal pistols may (except for the grips). I recommend to people if they don't have a fire rated gun safe, to buy firesafes at Walmart to store their polymer guns.

Maybe a better question would be (it would still generate the same arguments, but will narrow the choices down a bit):

Best gun below $200
Best gun below $300
Best gun below $400
Best gun below $500
etc.

jakemccoy
February 27, 2010, 07:26 PM
Thank you Shortdog22 and Jmortimer for your perspectives. I'll have to take a look at what Ruger and SigSauer have to offer.

christcorp
February 27, 2010, 07:26 PM
So far, I see 2.5 answers to the original question. All the non-answers tell me a lot actually.
Yes, and a person with 2,600+ posts, and starting a thread such as this, tells me a lot too. You've been on this forum practically non-stop for almost 3 years, and haven't learned anything about what makes a particular gun the "Best" for a particular person.

Isher
February 27, 2010, 07:28 PM
Well -

There's this:

http://www.luxurylaunches.com/auctions/45_luger_carbine_the_worlds_most_expensive_handgun.php

Glocks are not on my list.

I consider them the Orcs of handgun land,

But that is because of a well known trail of pretty

Horrendous lapses in business ethics.

Not to say that other companies haven't slipped into that pit, also.

"To live outside the law you must be honest."

~Bob Dylan

I really like dealing with honest companies.

There are a lot of phenomenally good guns out there

For less that a million dollars.

Find out what you like, and it will likely

Be the weapon fits into your hand like it was born there.

Nevermind the brand, or the price.

isher

jakemccoy
February 27, 2010, 07:29 PM
I'm a Walther fan and would rank it high on the list of top-quality manufacturers.

Thanks, can you expand on why you like Walther?

Warhawk83
February 27, 2010, 07:35 PM
Mayonnaise snobbery??? That's a new one. :scrutiny:

There isn't a best brand, completely subjective,quality varies gun to gun even with the same mfg.

DERGLOCKINMEISTER
February 27, 2010, 07:42 PM
Yet again ! It's like saying that I married the "best "woman or drive the "best " car . Glock is a great brand , so are 10 or 20 others ! It seems like everyone has to make their candle burn brighter by blowing someone elses out ! get a life people ! it's just an opinion not fact because you or I say so ! If you like it , and it makes you feel confident in your ability to protect yourself , then "it" really is best to you !

Boats
February 27, 2010, 07:46 PM
Mayonnaise snobbery??? That's a new one.

The larger point was that he thinks he can pick the world's best mayonnaise off of the rack in a plastic jar at almost any grocery and/or convenience store in the nation.

It was as if he said "Best Cookie? Chips Ahoy." It was silly and it was beyond obvious his experience with actual mayo runs the whole gamut from Hellman's to Best Foods. The only worse answer for "best mayo" would have been "Miracle Whip."

Rather like the typical Glock owner's handgunning experience runs the depth and breadth found between Glock and a Highpoint.

Skillet
February 27, 2010, 07:59 PM
I'm SO tired of these best threads.

you base what is best for you on your personal needs and preferences.

mr.natural
February 27, 2010, 08:39 PM
OK,, I'm gonna make this REAL easy !!! The best handgun in the whole doggone world is the Browning BDA .380. There, I said it! Hands down, the BEST handgun in the world!
Why, you may ask?
Because:
1.. it's the one I carry
2.. I can hit a small target VERY accurately with it, multiple times, even if the target is moving
3.. I like the way it looks
4.. I like the way it feels
5.. I like the size and weight of it
6.. It does the job I want it to do
7.. It inspires MY confidence in it
Now then,, VERY many of you may think I am full of S--- , But, to ME, this is the best handgun in the whole world...
Get the picture? this is the best handgun for ME! YOU, may, and most likely do, have a very different Best handgun in the world....
Read my list of 7 items and find the handgun that fits this list of criterion for YOU !

Kingofthehill
February 27, 2010, 08:40 PM
M&P's

JOe

Kingofthehill
February 27, 2010, 08:43 PM
I'm SO tired of these best threads.

you base what is best for you on your personal needs and preferences.

Where is the fun in that? lol

EddieNFL
February 27, 2010, 08:46 PM
Rather like the typical Glock owner's handgunning experience runs the depth and breadth found between Glock and a Highpoint.

You gotta have a stiff neck constantly looking down your nose.

Can't believe I defended Glocks!

jakemccoy
February 27, 2010, 08:52 PM
OK,, I'm gonna make this REAL easy !!! The best handgun in the whole doggone world is the Browning BDA .380. There, I said it! Hands down, the BEST handgun in the world!
Why, you may ask?
Because:
1.. it's the one I carry
2.. I can hit a small target VERY accurately with it, multiple times, even if the target is moving
3.. I like the way it looks
4.. I like the way it feels
5.. I like the size and weight of it
6.. It does the job I want it to do
7.. It inspires MY confidence in it
Now then,, VERY many of you may think I am full of S--- , But, to ME, this is the best handgun in the whole world...
Get the picture? this is the best handgun for ME! YOU, may, and most likely do, have a very different Best handgun in the world....
Read my list of 7 items and find the handgun that fits this list of criterion for YOU !

A+

Thanks, I'll have to check it out.

Art Eatman
February 27, 2010, 08:59 PM
Closed per OP request.

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