Medium to large game caliber for anything up to moose?


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rifleman14
February 27, 2010, 07:33 PM
Im looking into a hunting rifle for anything from whitetail to moose. I dont want a 30-06 or 308. So what are your suggestions?

Also, can a thin barreled hunting rifle reach out to the same ranges with equal accuracy as a heavy barreled rifle? same caliber and everything, but would a thin barreled hunting rifle be just as suitable for those longer range hunting shots as a heavy barreled rifle? At what range would the heavy barrel out perform the thin barrel?

Thanks,
Dylan

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rdb
February 27, 2010, 08:23 PM
Winchester Model 94 Big Bore in .356 Win.:evil:

Any .270:neener:

What's wrong with a 30-06 or .308?:cool:

I'm Kilroy
February 27, 2010, 08:27 PM
Don't want 30-06 or 308?
I guess you should try 7.62x54r then.
Care to eliberate why.

Others
-280 Ackley Improved
-300 RUM (Remington Ultra Magnum)
-300 Win Mag
-370 Sako Magnum
-300 Weatherby Magnum
-505 Gibbs
-50 BMG

HOLY DIVER
February 27, 2010, 08:29 PM
the heavy barrel ONLY comes into play on follow up shots,the thin barrel heats up and looses accuracy. while the heavy barrel displaces heat better and retains accuracy longer. i would recommend a 30-06 for your hunting needs but since you already don't like the 06 guess i'd recommend the 300wsm it has great long range performance. and if you have your heart sett on a round that has very high muzzle velocity i'd say 300win mag

Maverick223
February 27, 2010, 08:52 PM
the heavy barrel ONLY comes into play on follow up shots,the thin barrel heats up and looses accuracy.Ding! Heavy barrel is no better for hunting...unless you are hunting an entire herd. :uhoh:

Might be a good use for the .338WM, .375H&H, .280Rem, .338-06 (only if you reload...still a wildcat to the best of my knowledge), or .35Whelen (last on the list, but probably the best choice IMO).

:)

HOLY DIVER
February 27, 2010, 09:04 PM
yea Maverick i was thinking 338win mag also....i'm a big fan of the 35whelen also both are fine MOOSE rounds might be alittle much for a whitetail but will get the job done no doubt

NCsmitty
February 27, 2010, 09:10 PM
How many shots are you going to take at game that would heat a lighter barrel to that extent? A standard hunting rifle barrel is more the adequate for the job and would feel heavy enough, carrying up and down mountainous terrain.
A 338 Win Magnum, 35 Whelen or 350 Rem Mag are up to the task.



NCsmitty

Kernel
February 27, 2010, 09:11 PM
Something larger than a .30 cal. for best moose DRT probability. The .338 Federal/Marlin and .358/.356 Win would be good starting points.

Maverick223
February 27, 2010, 09:11 PM
both are fine MOOSE rounds might be alittle much for a whitetail but will get the job done no doubtYou know what they say...it is always easier to work a moose cartridge down for mouse than it is to work a mouse round up to moose. I plan to take the new .375H&H out whitetail hunting this fall...downloaded properly (with light 220gr.) it should result in less meat damage than a light and fast .30-06...and kill em' just as dead.

:)

HOLY DIVER
February 27, 2010, 09:16 PM
hey if you hit a deer in the heart with ANY high powdered rifle round it will fall over dead no doubt i guess the issue at hand is the MOOSE i think a 300WSM would do fine on a moose. any reason it would not?

Maverick223
February 27, 2010, 09:31 PM
...any reason it would not?Moose are used to .30cals...they just bounce off. Honestly, I too would prefer something a little larger for a dedicated Moose hunt...but with proper shot placement a .300WSM will do as good as a 105x608mm, .30cal. or smaller magnums (especially the WSMs) aren't my favorite hunting rounds...but that is a different story altogether.

:)

rifleman14
February 27, 2010, 09:45 PM
sorry i didnt specify why i dont want a 30-06 or 308. Im trying to get rid of my savage 116 30-06 because after over 40 different loads tested through the rifle, 2 scope setups, 3 shooters, and 6 factory ammos, it still wouldnt group under an inch and a half at 100 yards, often times not even under 2 1/2". so ive had sort of a bad experience with the 30-06 and would like to try something new. i dont want the 308 because somewhere down the road i would like to get a tactical rifle like a remington 700 5R milspec and would like to get it in 308.
so the information youve given me so far is to get a skinny barreled rifle, which will take care of shots out to longer ranges and short range shots. i got to thinking and figured that i probably wont be hunting moose...so im sorry for not having my mind made up :rolleyes: but i'll now be looking for a cartridge for anything from whitetail to elk. i was looking into the 7mm-08 because the bullet selection is broad, recoil is low, and its got the accuracy of its parent cartridge, the 308. what do ya guys think? im open to any other suggestions you guys may have.
thanks!
Dylan

HOLY DIVER
February 27, 2010, 09:46 PM
moose are big critters.......A .30 cal is .300 a .338 is just that a 338.....witch is 38thousands of an inch bigger in diameter than a 30 cal i think it comes down to making a good shot on an animal that big.....if you shoot it in the butt it will most likely charge and run slam over you....well it might not if you shoot it in the butt with a 375h&h but dang now were talking african hunting rounds

HOLY DIVER
February 27, 2010, 09:47 PM
elk?elk? what?what? now we have to start all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!gezzzzzzzz

Maverick223
February 27, 2010, 10:03 PM
A .30 cal is .300 a .338 is just that a 338.....witch is 38thousands of an inch bigger in diameterTrue, but the area (which I don't feel like computing tonight) is significantly higher, as is the SD, which equates to greater penetration for a shot that is not perfect. That said, you won't hear me say that a .30cal won't get the job done...not for moose anyway. Many a moose have fallen to the mighty .30-06.

i'll now be looking for a cartridge for anything from whitetail to elk. i was looking into the 7mm-08 because the bullet selection is broad, recoil is low, and its got the accuracy of its parent cartridge, the 308. what do ya guys think?If you plan to use the rifle almost exclusively for deer, the 7mm-08 is a great cartridge, otherwise I would go for something a bit bigger. 7mm is a good start...now all you need is a .30-06 case to plop that 7mm in. ;) .280Rem would be perfect, but the 7mm-08 will do fine if you want less recoil (FWIW .280Rem. is about equal to .30-06).

:)

TexasPatriot.308
February 27, 2010, 10:05 PM
6.5 x 55 Swede, little recoil, making you a better shot and as effective as you can get with a variety of bullets.

d2wing
February 27, 2010, 10:17 PM
How about a 7MM Rem mag, 7 MM mauser, 300 H&H, 30-30, really many choices.

Buck Snort
February 27, 2010, 10:21 PM
Rifleman14 wrote: "Im looking into a hunting rifle for anything from whitetail to moose. I dont want a 30-06 or 308. So what are your suggestions?"

There's something wrong with a gun that has killed EVERY dangerous game on the planet?

shadowalker
February 27, 2010, 10:26 PM
My family and many others in Alaska have killed a lot of moose with .308 and 30-06.

That said I think 7mm-08 is a bit small for moose. Honestly I'd give 30-06 another try, sounds like the rifle, not the caliber.

Since you are planning on a .308 anyway I'd also seriously look at it. Being able to share ammunition between rifles is a good thing.

GunsBeerFreedom
February 27, 2010, 10:30 PM
45-70. Been doin the job all over the world for the better part of 3 centuries now.

bad_aim_billy
February 27, 2010, 10:32 PM
.223 is the only caliber needed in North America, it's all about shot placement, I learned this on the High Road.

But seriously, I'd think 7mm/08 and 6.5x55 are 2 of the best all-around choices for most hunters in the lower 48. Far too many people shoot a rifle way bigger than they need, thinking "someday I might need it for grizzly or moose", and then they never get around to hunting anything bigger than deer.

HOLY DIVER
February 27, 2010, 10:46 PM
a 7mm-08 will get the job done on elk or white tail people really can't conceive how much energy there is in a normal everyday high power rifle round. that's why they tend to over do it with there cartridge selections. the 7mm-08 has great long range performance i have one my self and i have killed deer(6) with it with no complaints what so ever 1 at long range (350yds) all fell over dead. but the most popular elk/deer combo rifle i know of would be the .270win if it were me i'd go 7mm-08 ..........just to inform on the energy of a high powered rifle"a .308 impacting at 900ydys hits with more energy than a 357mag" we all know a 357mag will stop a deer in its tracks and is a pretty good side arm for bear hunting.....with that said a 7mm-08 is a .308 necked down to 7mm ......what ever round you decide to go with practice practice practice! if you GUTT shoot an elk unload the dogs call all your buddies we are going tracking no matter what round you go with....just my opinion

Kernel
February 27, 2010, 11:19 PM
45-70. Been doin the job all over the world for the better part of 3 centuries now.
:confused::confused::confused:

You do know how long a century is, right? (Hint: 100 years). The self contained metalic cartrdige was only patented in the 1850's. The .45-70 came along some time well after that fact. Without getting my Google-Fu on, I'd say the .45-70 is at most 145 years old. Not 300. Percussion rifles didn't even exist 300 years ago.

Sunray
February 27, 2010, 11:22 PM
"...heavy barrel ONLY comes into play on follow up shots..." Not even then.
"...the better part of 3 centuries..." Eh? No .45-70's 300 years ago. Not even 200 years ago.
"...dont want a 30-06 or 308...wouldn't group under an inch and a half at 100 yards..." Any of the medium calibres, .260 and up. You don't need a magnum anything for Bullwinkle. You don't need heavy bullets either. Yes, he is big, but he isn't hard to kill.
A Savage 116 is a hunting rifle, not a target rifle. Consistent 1.5" to 2.5" groups at 100 is dandy for hunting. If you think you need better than that, depending on which 116, you put a better barrel on it, bed the rifle and adjust the Accutrigger to about 3 lbs. Mind you, wanting to try something different is a dandy reason to buy a rifle too. So is, "I want."
"...can a thin barreled hunting rifle reach out..." Yep. Accuracy doesn't have much to do with the weight of the barrel. Heavy barrels are usually on target and varmint rifles, not moose/deer rifles.

sig220mw
February 27, 2010, 11:53 PM
Get a 270

Maverick223
February 28, 2010, 12:31 AM
45-70. Been doin the job all over the world for the better part of 3 centuries now.2010AD-1873AD=300YO http://forums.nitroexpress.com/images/graemlins/smilies/general/confused.gif Also the OP mentions "long range" and as much as I like the .45-70Govt. it isn't great for long range (doesn't even matter what your definition of LR is).

dubbleA
February 28, 2010, 12:55 AM
In your own words the Savage is is pretty much worthless to you, it's the rifle and not the cartridge. I would opt for another flavor of 30-06, if what you say is true you ought to have plenty of 30-06 ammo and supplies to to try out in another rifle in the 06.;)

AzBuckfever
February 28, 2010, 12:59 AM
HOWITZER! Nuff said :) 375 H&H has already been suggested/mentioned so I figured another shoulder bustin' round :)

sumpnz
February 28, 2010, 03:15 AM
I kinda like odd-ball sorts of things. So if you're a re-loader and also kinda like being an odd-ball this may work for you.

My dedicated deer rifle is a CZ-550 in 6.5x55mm. My dedicated elk (and moose if I ever go hunting for one) is also a CZ-550 but in 9.3x62mm. Either can (and has) been brought along as a backup to the other. Never needed that backup, but the 6.5, while perhaps a little light for elk or moose will do the job very effectivly within it's range and shot geometry limitations. The 9.3 is overkill for any deer, but hey - dead is dead.

Bottom line is you should get different guns for different game. At least that's my excuse with SWMBO.

C-grunt
February 28, 2010, 04:02 AM
You need to try another rifle. Hell send that one back to Savage for a look over. My Stevens, really cheap Savage, shoots better than that with the cheapest ammo I could find. The 30-06 can be a very accurate round. Carlos Hathcock killed many people at long range in Vietnam using it. Same with all the American snipers back till WW1.

Now if you just want another rifle, just say so. No need to convince any of us you "need" it.

BIGRETIC
February 28, 2010, 04:17 AM
300 win mag...you want a new gun right?

Art Eatman
February 28, 2010, 12:41 PM
rifleman14, the last time out with my old '06, I put three shots into an 0.4 MOA group. The rifle has somewhere in the vicinity of 4,000 rounds through it, with lots and lots of sub-MOA five-shot groups. I loaned it to Justin, and he went out and killed an elk with it.

Your problem is not the cartridge, it's the rifle.

I figure that a decent rifle in '06 + 180-grain GameKing = Moosemeat.

I know the 150-grain is good for Bambi to 450 yards. :)

LEVRLOVR
February 28, 2010, 12:50 PM
.300 Win. Mag.

rifleman14
February 28, 2010, 01:04 PM
thanks for all the great input guys! ive never gotten this kind of feedback or as many friendly members as there are here! ive had some bad experiences with other forums...caugh caugh gunandgame caugh caugh :rolleyes:
and you guys are right, it probably is just the rifle not the 30-06 round itself, im just scared to try it again in fear that i might stumble upon another bad rifle and have the same results. so out of these selections that im baseing upon the info you guys have given me, which of these rifles in either 30-06, 270, or 7mm-08 would you suggest for hunting anything from deer to elk(i gave up the moose theory because as someone posted, i say that i want a big caliber in case i ever go moose or bear hunting...but lets face it, i probably never will get around to it and if i do i'll just get another rifle! :) ) out to about 500 yards?
1. Marlin XL7/XS7
2. Remington 700 CDL
3. Remington 700 SPS

Any calibers or rifles that i am missing/should consider/would be better than what i have listed?
Again, thanks for all the great help, its really appreciated :)
Dylan

Maverick223
February 28, 2010, 01:08 PM
...which of these rifles in either 30-06, 270, or 7mm-08 would you suggest for hunting anything from deer to elk...Without a doubt, the .30-06...best rifle on your list is undoubtedly the Marlin (and it is the cheapest to boot)...and you can even use those fine Savage barrels on them. :neener:

rifleman14
February 28, 2010, 01:46 PM
alright it looks like i'll be going with the marlin xl7 in 30-06...although i love the looks and reputation of the remington 700 cdl. BUT!!...if i have another bad 30-06 experience its on you guys' heads ;)

Maverick223
February 28, 2010, 01:53 PM
...if i have another bad 30-06 experience its on you guys' heads.If you have any more trouble I think it is a bad scope...bad mount...or bad trigger-puller. :uhoh:

Flatbush Harry
February 28, 2010, 01:58 PM
Relatively few meese to be found near Mishawawka, IN. For WT deer, .25-06 up through all the 7mms will work fine if you don't like .30 cals. I do a fair amount of shooting with thin profile ss barrels...they're fine for the first three shots. If you need more, spend more range time.

If you're serious about moose, a fast .30 through .338 WM are good choices...and if you're gonna be in places where you might stumble across a brown bear while looking for his herbivorous friends, a .375 Ruger or H&H or .416 Ruger might be a good choice.

FH

EDIT: I just read your second post. I have a reasonably new (2009) Savage 116 FHSAK with accutrigger and accustock in .30-06...it delivers to <0.7 MOA out to 300 yds off a Caldwell Leadsled with Federal GMM. I'm working up loads with a variety of powders...preliminary indications suggest this Savage will deliver 0.5 MOA. Every company makes a lemon now and then...1-1/2 MOA is good hunting performance...that's 4-5/8" at 300 yds. I have a few M1 Garands that will only do 2-3 MOA...with M2 ball and I'd bet my life on them.

My next will be a Savage 111 LRH in either .25-06 or 6.5x284. YMMV

Kernel
February 28, 2010, 02:10 PM
A Thompson-Center Venture is about $400 street and TC guarantees it will shoot 1 MOA or less. In this price range they are the ONLY manufacture that guarantees MOA accuracy. Nice insurance it you’re afraid of getting burned again on a rifle that won‘t shoot. I don’t have one, but it looks like a nice rifle and has some pretty cool features.

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/venture.php

Otherwise, of the few choices you give, I like the Marlin.

my762buzz
February 28, 2010, 02:28 PM
Again, thanks for all the great help, its really appreciated :)
Dylan
Does your savage have a black hollow factory stock?

Big Bill
February 28, 2010, 02:51 PM
get a 300 win mag or a 300 wsm...

rifleman14
February 28, 2010, 02:54 PM
yes my762buzz it does. ive freefloated the barrel and done everything possible, theres something wrong with the rifle.

rifleman14
February 28, 2010, 02:55 PM
hows the recoil of a 300 win mag compared to a 30-06? i will be shooting this rifle for plinking as well as hunting so i dont want it to be painful to shoot

my762buzz
February 28, 2010, 03:00 PM
yes my762buzz it does. ive freefloated the barrel and done everything possible, theres something wrong with the rifle.

I had a friend that used to own a savage in .30-06 with a hollow plastic factory stock and his accuracy was not that great no matter loads he used until he got rid of the stock. We both figured the hollow plastic stock was not keeping the receiver from slipping slightly enough upon recoil and the receiver was changing position enough. He got a Choate aluminum block drag stock and his rifle suddenly didn't suffer accuracy problems no more. Amazing change for just a stock. It started shooting sub MOA unlike before.

sarduy
February 28, 2010, 03:22 PM
300 mag

sarduy
February 28, 2010, 03:30 PM
hows the recoil of a 300 win mag compared to a 30-06? i will be shooting this rifle for plinking as well as hunting so i dont want it to be painful to shoot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8WGPuxRA1o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI_n4TTBiA8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkBcut9G1ng&feature=related

Maverick223
February 28, 2010, 04:11 PM
In this price range they are the ONLY manufacture that guarantees MOA accuracy.The accuracy guarantee means exactly nothing.

hows the recoil of a 300 win mag compared to a 30-06?Significant difference, I would say in the neighborhood of 50% more felt recoil. I'd recommend that you try before you buy a .300WM hunting rifle as many folks don't, and shortly thereafter decide they don't care for the extra recoil, then the rifle gets sold with only a few shots fired (magnums are great to buy used).

:)

Float Pilot
February 28, 2010, 07:51 PM
338 Win Mag
350 Remington Mag
35 Whelen.

Ky Larry
February 28, 2010, 08:12 PM
.350 Rem Mag.

jimmyraythomason
February 28, 2010, 08:20 PM
hey if you hit a deer in the heart with ANY high powdered rifle round it will fall over dead This is definitely true however it isn't always immediate.

230therapy
February 28, 2010, 08:25 PM
Look at 45-70 with some heavy bullets.

hub
February 28, 2010, 08:36 PM
Good luck with your new rifle.

So what are you trying to get out of that old POS Savage that doesn't shoot straight?:)

rifleman14
February 28, 2010, 08:58 PM
well hub, how much are you offerin? lol

schlockinz
February 28, 2010, 09:22 PM
Got a remington 700 in 30.06 about 12 years ago. The thing is as deadly as ever, and was enough rifle to warrant me never to buy another one for my uses. But that 45/70 was just a callin me...

Sorry about the rifle issues. If you shoot a 1.5" group at 100yds, you're more than good enough to hunt. I've had subMOA groups with my rifle, and after more than a decade with it, I still cannot out shoot my rifle, nor do I think I ever will be able to.

Robert
February 28, 2010, 09:27 PM
35 Whelen.

Maverick223
February 28, 2010, 11:25 PM
well hub, how much are you offerin?Not hub but I'll offer $300.00 to haul off the scrap. :D

Kernel
February 28, 2010, 11:42 PM
The accuracy guarantee means exactly nothing.

Your insightful comment mean even less. While I don’t own a Venture I do own other TC products. Never had a problem but a couple of times I did contact their customer service to replace some missing hardware. Stuff I had bought used. Never had to pay a thing. TC sent what ever I needed free of charge. Thompson-Center is a quality company that stands behind their American made product.

However, I am in agreement with Mave-wreck's advice on the 300 Win Mag. Worst "plinking" cartrdige EVER.

skiking
February 28, 2010, 11:52 PM
.270 Win, .280 Rem, 7mm-08, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, .338 Win Mag, .358 Win, 35 Whelen. Those would be my picks.

Maverick223
March 1, 2010, 12:04 AM
Mave-wreckClassy.

Water-Man
March 1, 2010, 12:12 AM
6.5x55 Swede.

lopezni
March 1, 2010, 12:20 AM
I just want to say something about the .30-06. I am pretty critical when it comes to just about anything, but I even have to admit that the .30-06 is probably the best cartridge ever invented. I would not give up on that savage, or the 06'. Have it re-barreled, the problem with your rifle is that the barrel wasn't broken in properly, the crown is messed up, or the throat of the chamber isn't strait. The 06' is versatile, offers long barrel life, and re-barreling is cheaper than a new rifle.

rifleman14
March 1, 2010, 07:39 AM
well maverick my local gunshop can offer me a trade for a marlin xl7 which would be $300 so if i go that low, itll be on a trade lol.

i just dont want to rebarrel the rifle and have it be something else wrong with the rifle lopezni, ya know? plus, ive heard nothing but good things about the marlins

dogngun
March 1, 2010, 07:50 AM
1. check all the screws on that Savage and make sure they are snug. How many rounds does it have through it? might need a longer break in, although your groups are not really bad - they are a bit better than average.

2. stay with the .30-06-you have more bullet weight options with that round than with anything else available, including the .308.

3. Unless you are a sniper or a long range varminter, the light sporter barrel is all you need for hunting...and much easier on your back at the end of the day.

Just my opinions, but I have wasted many years looking for a "perfect" rifle for this and that, and I have no problems at all now with either a .30-06 or a .308 in a sporter configuration. The "heavy barrel" thing is like the "huge scope" thing - way overdone, and a lot of money spent on stuff you don't need.

mark

Murphys Law
March 1, 2010, 10:38 AM
Is that an Accustock or one of the older ones with the aluminum pillar bedding? Before you give up on that Savage, check the Pillar bedding and see if the plastic stock has any molding flash up over the top of the pillars. Preventing the receiver from making contact with the pillars. If so, you can hog out the area around the pillars, with a dremel, to make solid contact with the receiver. It's relatively easy and cheap to do and may make a difference.

David Sours
March 1, 2010, 11:46 AM
.280 Rem in a T/C Icon.

Have Fun,
David

Maverick223
March 1, 2010, 12:35 PM
well maverick my local gunshop can offer me a trade for a marlin xl7 which would be $300 so if i go that low, itll be on a trade lol.I was really joking...but I believe the idea to rebarrel is a good one (.280Rem. ;)), but I can understand you wanting to cut your expenses and ditch the rifle. I would start by just making sure that the bore is clean and shiny, then ensuring that the stock doesn't touch or get too close to the bbl (because it will touch when heated if too close), that way you KNOW that it is the bbl and not fouling, or the stock (the most likely culprits). I think that any decent gunshop will offer you a straight trade, but little (if any) more.

JShirley
March 1, 2010, 01:09 PM
7mm Remington Magnum, .300 Win Mag, .35 Whelen.

But, for general all-around use, hard to beat an '06.

John

Ronsch
March 1, 2010, 01:16 PM
Moose are "used" to 30 caliber? Bounce right off?

I hate to disappoint you, but the last moose I dropped was with my trusty .308. The same rifle I use on Sitka blacktails.

I hope you were being funny with the prior remark.

Maverick223
March 1, 2010, 01:24 PM
I hope you were being funny with the prior remark.Of course... hence the following sentence: "Honestly, I too would prefer something a little larger for a dedicated Moose hunt...but with proper shot placement a .300WSM will do as good as a 105x608mm...".

:)

Guiding101
March 1, 2010, 02:13 PM
I've guided and hunted moose for may years. It comes down to opinions. I've seen them killed deader than dead with a well placed shot from a .264 Winchester Magnum. I have also tracked one punched in a single lung with a .416 Rigby. My personal favorite is the .35 Whelen. Recoil is modest, and trajectory can be made to match that of a 30-06 with lighter loads. (Lighter being 180 grains). But you have the option of going up to big 300 grain slugs. With a good hand load with a 250 trophy bonded bear claw on its shoulders, you can generate over 3,500 ft/lbs of energy. A good 180 grain handload can blister out of the barrell at 3,000 fps. Cheap plinking rounds can be reloaded by using 38/ .357 pistol ammo.
Othe great options are the .338 family, .325 WSM, 8mm Remington....etc the list goes on.

Old Time Hunter
March 1, 2010, 02:58 PM
45-70. Been doin the job all over the world for the better part of 3 centuries now. Just seems that long...eh? ;););)

6.5 X 55 is all you need for everything from Deer to Moose and you'll never have to worry about flinching.

Last Moose I got was with a beat up old Winchester Model 94 chambered in .30-30 at 'bout 110 yards, the big guy took half a step and fell over dead as a door knob. Guess I forgot to tell the critter it was just a .30-30 and not a wiz-bang, super dooper, maga magnum, with a 1000X power whatcha macallit 4' diameter heat seeking, saturn ringing, light sucking, optical enhancer.

T.R.
March 3, 2010, 08:03 AM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/BrowningBLR30-06.jpg

Browning BLR is offered is a wide variety of caliber and stock options. Even a few magnum cartridges are available. The BLR is actually a bolt action operated by a lever.

Good hunting to you.
TR

RSVP2RIP
March 3, 2010, 03:40 PM
If price is no object, I would seriously consider an Ultralight Arms rifle in .284 Winchester. It's gonna shoot good and it will shoot a cartridge with the case capacity of the 30-06 and the bullets of a 7mm...match made in heaven. Look at the Model 24, 5.75# unloaded and about $3k.

http://www.newultralight.com/HTML/custom-rifles.html

Maverick223
March 3, 2010, 03:44 PM
If price is no object, I would seriously consider an Ultralight Arms rifle in .284 Winchester.The only problem with that is the somewhat obscure cartridge. As good as it is, the .280Rem. is better because you can get brass and/or loaded ammunition.

:)

Huntin'Gun
March 3, 2010, 03:56 PM
Get a 6.5x55, or a .264 Win Mag if you want more "zip".

Or get a .280, or a 7 mag [or 7WSM] if you want more "zip"

Try out another .30-06. They really are popular for good reason. Or get a 300 mag [I like the .308 Norma Mag] if you want more "zip"

From the sounds of things, the .280 will be just what you are looking for. Or maybe you're looking for a .30-06 that shoots dimes at 200 yards. Your savage at 1.5" at 100 yards is accurate enough for hunting. And most 0.5" groups are accomplished at the keyboard, not at the range.

paintballdude902
March 3, 2010, 04:11 PM
.35 whellen

d2wing
March 3, 2010, 07:04 PM
After reviewing the op's post, he should be looking at a tactical .308. The Marlin is a good cheap rifle but may not be much better than what he has. A good out of the box rifle would be a tactical or varmit Savage or Remington 700. If the OP wants 2 rifles, both could be .308's. Unless the OP really want's to try other cartridges. Sometimes with
different ammo you can have mix ups. Especially as you are trying to groggily load your rifle in the dark for the deer opener. Not that I would ever, ahem, make a mistake like that.
Luckily it did not fire but I lost a shot at a deer and was very embarrassed when the gunsmith fixed my jammed rifle.

schlockinz
March 3, 2010, 07:22 PM
Thats why I keep ammo for every rifle in my truck. I keep finding 45/70 shells where they shouldn't be.

Maverick223
March 3, 2010, 07:40 PM
Thats why I keep ammo for every rifle in my truck. I keep finding 45/70 shells where they shouldn't be..45-70 is a good cure for the above problem...when loaded into another rifle they don't get close to fitting in the chamber...when you try to load something else it just falls all the way though the barrel. :neener:



(Caveat: As usual I am joking...but I know that someone will get a bur up their buttocks and research all of the cartridges that fit and call me out on it...so yes, the above was indeed said in jest)

bobelk99
March 3, 2010, 07:51 PM
If you are going to hunt elk and moose with the gun, I vote for 338WM.

270 or whatever will do a takedown with no issue for a nice clean broadside shot.

If you decide to whack an elk or moose that is quartering away at 250 yards, you are not likely to be happy with a 150-160 grain 270 power.

I have killed a number of moose/elk with 338 and old fashioned 210 Nosler partitions. Never had an issue that was the fault of the gun or it's power.

Ronsch
March 3, 2010, 08:08 PM
Kind of hoped that was the reason...Humor....A difficult concept.

bobelk99
March 3, 2010, 08:29 PM
Guys, most of us have a pet to use that is 'the killer'.

Consider this: the last moose I saw killed was taken by a local. He was wearing tattered Walmart class boots and a patched sweatsuit in 20 degree weather. He put down a cow with a 303 of some version with no sights. He just sighted down the side of the barrel! Go figure.

pitty920
March 9, 2010, 12:48 PM
If your going up to moose the max i would go with but might be a tad much for whitetail would be the .338.

Perfect all around that will drop a MOOSE LIKE A SACK OF POTATOES.

1.) .300 WSM ( dont let people tell u the 300 mag is better than the short mag!
The short mag is much!! flatter shooting and has equal stopping power, perfect for whitetail also.

2.) AHH, THE MOST POPULAR AND VERSITLE MEDIUM TO BIG GAME ROUND IN THE WORLD. THE 30-06 BOATTAIL!! THE ROUND IS THE 308 ON STEROIDS, AND IS LARGER IN DIAMETER THAN THE 7MM AND HAS MORE POWDER DUE TO THE LONGER CARTRIDGE! DONT LET PEOPLE FOOL YOU SAYING THE 308 AND 7MM ARE MORE POWERFUL!

30-06 BOATAIL IS ONE OF THE FLATTEST AND FARTHESE SHOOTING ROUNDS IN ITS CLASS.( MEANING THE 270 TO 308 ROUNDS)

*NOW THE 270 IS A BIT FLATTER THAN THE 30-06 BUT NOT THE 30-06 BOATTAIL SO DONT GET THAT CONFUSED!

30-06 (boattail if at more than 300 yards)
*The 30-06 boattail is a proven sniper round since WWI and Is accurate to 1000 rnds. (YES IT IS!) The boat tail gives the round way better aerodynamics!
Dont be fooled with all fancey odd six rnds! IF IT DOESNT SAY BOAT TAIL ON THE BOX THEN IT PROBABLY DOESNT HAVE IT!
*****
A PERFECT RND FOR THE 30-06 IS A ACCU TIP 150 GRAIN WITH A BOATTAIL!
GOOD RND FOR ANY CALIBER, JUST CHANGE THE GRAIN ACCORDINGLY.
THIS IS THE FLATTEST SHOOTING 30-06 ROUND BUT 180 IS SUGGESTED FOR A BIT BIGGER GAME!(**SO FOR WHITETAIL GO WITH THE 150 GRAIN,AND FOR MOOSE GO WITH THE 180, THE OTHER IS 165, AN ALL PURPOSE AND GOOD FOR BOOTH BUT BEST TO USE THE RND MEANT FOR THE GAME.

**##*THE ACCU-TIP IS A PLASTIC POINTED TIP THAT COVERS THE HALLOW POINT UNTIL CONTACT WITH GAME, THIS MEANS IT HAS THE GREAT AREODYNAMICS OF BALL AMMO WITH THE DEVASTATING STOPPING POWER OF HALLOW POINTS!

U CAN GET REMINGTON ACCUTIP IN 30-06 150GRAIN FOR $20 TO $35 per 20rnds, well worth it JUST MAKE SURE U GET BOATTAIL IF SHOOTING AT OVER 300 YARDS!

*******JUST REMEMBER THE BOATTAIL 30-06 IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SNIPER ROUND BREAKTHROUGHS EVER FOR DISTANCE, AND FOR SOME REASON MOST AMMO MANUFACTURES DONT MAKE THEM FOR ALL THERE ROUNDS, MAKE SURE IT SAYS BOATTAIL ON BOX!!!!!!!
3.) a .270 WSM, OR A .308 MAG OR NO MAG, AND 7MM-08 OR 7MM WSM OR WINCHESTER MAG.



******EVERYBODY NEEEEDS TO STOP SAYING THE 7MM HAS TOO MUCH KICK GO WITH THE 30-06. DOOOO U REALIZE THE 30-06 IS 7.62MM, THAT IS LARGER, AND IT HAS A LARGER CARTRIDGE WITH MORE POWDER.

****ALSO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 308 AND THE 30-06 IS THAT THE 30-06 HAS A LONGER CARTRIDGE WITH MORE POWDER! (PRETTY MUCH A 308 MAG)

***********Overall, if u want a good rnd to put down a moose and use for smalle game down to whitetail go with the .338(not magnum too much for whitetail) or the 30-06 boattail! This is my opinion but i can promise u it is good i have hunted with both the 30-06 boattail and the .338 lapua and both are excellent!

I actually use the 30-06 boattail for deer, and the .338 lapua for elk, caribou, and moose! But have shot a moose with a 30-06 boattail form 350 yards plus and it dropped after running 15 yards, and it was windy! .338 will drop a moose more often than not though, that is why i use it for moose!

That was a lot of typing!!! HOPE THIS HELPS, AND IF U QUESTION MY INFO, RESEARCH IT, I DID!

SwampWolf
March 9, 2010, 01:21 PM
For anything up to and including moose, my vote goes to the .358 Winchester. Browning still chambers their BLR lever-action rifle in this round and I see where Ruger is now chambering their Hawkeye bolt-action rifle in .358 caliber. Though hard to find (and pricey when you do), my favorite .358 rifle is the proven Savage Model 99 lever-action rifle.

The .358 Winchester is easy to reload (its parent case is the .308 Winchester); flexible for hunting medium to larger game (200 grainers for whitetails, black bear, etc., 250 grain bullets for the bigger stuff); moderate recoil and sufficiently flat shooting for up to 250 yards or so.

The biggest downside is that factory ammunition is not cheap and, not only will you seldom find .358 Winchester ammunition "on sale", you'll never find it at your local Wal Mart. Bring plenty of it with you when you go hunting.

Maverick223
March 9, 2010, 02:19 PM
.300 WSM ( dont let people tell u the 300 mag is better than the short mag!
The short mag is much!! flatter shooting and has equal stopping power, perfect for whitetail also.Dead wrong! The 300WSM has roughly the same ballistics when comparing factory loads, but the original WM can offer greater performance by a handloader. The .300WSM offers no difference in trajectory when comparing the same projectiles, and can have a slightly inferior trajectory.

30-06 BOATAIL IS ONE OF THE FLATTEST AND FARTHESE SHOOTING ROUNDS IN ITS CLASS.( MEANING THE 270 TO 308 ROUNDS)...*NOW THE 270 IS A BIT FLATTER THAN THE 30-06 BUT NOT THE 30-06 BOATTAIL SO DONT GET THAT CONFUSED!
Wrong again, the .270Win is a flatter shooting round when comparing projectiles with roughly equal BCs. Nothing magical about a boat-tail...they are even available in .270Win. :eek:

******EVERYBODY NEEEEDS TO STOP SAYING THE 7MM HAS TOO MUCH KICK GO WITH THE 30-06. DOOOO U REALIZE THE 30-06 IS 7.62MM, THAT IS LARGER, AND IT HAS A LARGER CARTRIDGE WITH MORE POWDER.Uhmm, despite the difference in caliber, the 7mm magnums all have a greater powder capacity and roughly equivalent recoil (save for the large magnums such as the STW and RUM which have far greater recoil).

I think you need to lay of the coffee, way too much CapsLock and Asterisks.

:)

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 9, 2010, 02:48 PM
My choice, under those criteria, excluding .308 and .30-06 as you are, would be (and is) .280 Remington. Some of the more interesting ones besides .280 might include:

.280 Rem AI
8mm Rem Mag
7mm-08
.338-'06 A-square
.35 Whelen
9.3x62mm
.338 Federal
8mm Mauser
7x57 Mauser
.284 Win
.303 Brit
.30-40 Krag
.45-70 gov't
.350 Rem mag
.356 Win
.358 Win
.375 win (or .38-55)


Then there's always the tried and true 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, & .338 Win Mag, not to mention short mags, other 7mm maggies, other .300 maggies, and such. They'll all work just fine if you do, for your use there. :) Personally, I probably wouldn't go below a 7mm chambering for moose, because if I'm on a moose hunt, that means I've paid dearly for it, and don't want to take any chances with less than a 160-175 gr bullet. But if I lived up there in moose country, I'd be fine using a .270 or 6.5 chambering if it tickled my fancy - sure they'd work splendidly too, with proper bullet and shot selection.

SwampWolf
March 9, 2010, 05:08 PM
But, Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, you left out the 7X64 Brenneke!

Maverick223
March 9, 2010, 05:58 PM
But, Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, you left out the 7X64 Brenneke!And the 9.3x64Brenneke, another fantastic cartridge that just so happens to fit a long action.

:)

oneounceload
March 9, 2010, 07:25 PM
Any of the 7mm magnums will do just fine for elk and moose - use any good 160 or 175 bullet. Easier on the recoil than the big 300, 338 or larger, flat shooting, plenty of power

Uncle Mike
March 9, 2010, 07:48 PM
Thought this one was resting in peace!

8.59 Titan By none other than Lazzeroni, or if you think the .338 caliber too small, try on the 9.53 Saturn(my favorite) a .375 caliber whopper...still in doubt, the .416 caliber 10.57 Meteor will stop your crazed moose....or rhino!

dougw47
March 9, 2010, 07:53 PM
All you need for deer and moose is an accurate .223 with a large magazine, shoot 4 times, one in each hoof and he will sit down and wait for you to come club him over the head with the rifle. JUST KIDDING!!!

In my opinion, I consider anything from a 7 x 57 175 gr, to the .338 Win. Mag. as adequate for deer and moose. The Magnums larger than 7mm are more than I need for deer, but they will do the job very well. The .30's standard and Mag. will do the job well, also.

If I were going after moose and elk, I would use one of the .300 mags or the .338. You will need to practice with them quite a bit, and ammo is expensive. A 30-06 and .270 will do the job in most cases and you can practice more due to the much cheaper ammo. It matters most where you put the slug, I use heavier grn ammo on big game, 150's or 160's in the .270 and 180's up in the .30-06 and brothers.

You can get Howa's and Savages in 300 Win Mag at Wallyworld for $450. Rem's are a little higher. They also have a 300 Weatherby for $350...if you are interested.

My local Wally has Weatherby Accumark 7mm Mags for $397 and $400 with the heavy barrel.

Good luck.

earlthegoat2
March 9, 2010, 08:04 PM
300 savage

dougw47
March 9, 2010, 08:07 PM
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sdhunter
March 9, 2010, 08:21 PM
i met a moose guide once and i told him i am not a very big guy and do not like rifles with alot of recoil so i asked him what would be a good moose caliber for me. he laughed and said he would rather see me shoot a .270 that i can shoot confidently than a .338 that i cant.

SwampWolf
March 10, 2010, 01:49 AM
i met a moose guide once and i told him i am not a very big guy and do not like rifles with alot of recoil so i asked him what would be a good moose caliber for me. he laughed and said he would rather see me shoot a .270 that i can shoot confidently than a .338 that i cant.

Quite true. But if you can shoot a .338 "confidently"...well then, that's what I'd do.

Boomm
March 10, 2010, 01:39 PM
Another vote for the .375 H&H. I have one and it is my favorite rifle. Its very effectively taken everything from deer to elephants for the past century.

eddism
March 10, 2010, 01:49 PM
Stalking Moose is no tricky thing. So, you will have a very close shot when you go to take him down. I'd have a 45-70 with 400 gr JSPFN. Or if you have an AR-15, then get the upper for the 50 Beowulf. Then if you need a follow-up if the herd turns on you and attacks. You will be ready.

Thanks for the opportunity to reply.

UnTainted
March 10, 2010, 03:55 PM
I just want to say something about the .30-06. I am pretty critical when it comes to just about anything, but I even have to admit that the .30-06 is probably the best cartridge ever invented. I would not give up on that savage, or the 06'. Have it re-barreled, the problem with your rifle is that the barrel wasn't broken in properly, the crown is messed up, or the throat of the chamber isn't strait. The 06' is versatile, offers long barrel life, and re-barreling is cheaper than a new rifle.
I totally agree with this. I have my dad's old Sako Finnbear 30-06 he bought in the early 80s. He made sure it was properly broken, and has kept good care of it. From a rest, the rifle shoots .5 to .3 inches at 100 yards with 5 shot groups, (more, but they start going through the black). Offhand, I can shoot it about 1" at 100 yards, maybe better sitting (which is the position I take most game).

I am sure it has everything to do with the barrel. That's the real "gun" part of the gun, isn't it?

but if you want bigger than the 30-06 either now or later, my vote is the 375H&H mag, hands down. Very versatile caliber. Ammo everywhere as I've seen.

Maverick223
March 10, 2010, 04:26 PM
Properly broken in = Time to buy replacement parts. :p ...but I do have to agree with everything else.

:)

72IH
March 10, 2010, 04:58 PM
300 WSM has about the same felt recoil as the 30-06, with about 100fps slower velocity than the 300WM. That was the reason I bought one. If you only have the funds for one rifle the 30 cal magnums make sense. 338 gets into to the realm of beating the snot out of you at range time. I dont plink with mine. Just pick something you can easily find ammo for if you don't reload.

If you can afford multiple rifles I like 260 rem or 7mm/08 for deers, its a little light for elk, but it does work. Then for bigger stuff go with a 45/70, you can load them down to powder puff shells (like the factory rounds) or with enoungh poop you wont want to shoot more than 3 rounds.

The last few critters I killed didn't know the caliber or weather it was a standard mag or short mag when I asked them. My last elk was a little upset because it was shot with a muzzle loader and not a fancy smokeless round. He did die just the same. He just thought I should have spent the money for a scope and a fancy new caliber instead of really old technology with out dated propellant and iron sights. Elk are so self important.

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