New Handgun- which one would you buy?


February 28, 2010, 02:49 PM
I have an addiction to buying new guns (admitting is the first step) and then trading them off when I get bored with them. Currently I am looking for a "new toy".
I have previously owned:
Glock 19 w/ night sites
S&W M&P .40
XD .45
Beretta 92 9mm
Taurus PT92 x2 9mm
Sig SP2022 9mm
Glock 22
Kimber 1911 .45
My favorites of these were the Glock 19, Sig SP2022, and the XD. I LOVED the S&W but had major problems with it (FTE and slide not locking back). Because I was the second owner, Smith and Wesson could not do anything for me. I would love to trust the Smith and Wesson again, but you know how that goes- It's hard once you have a bad experience. Please understand, especially if you are a newbie to shooting, that this was my bad experience and I know that there are thousands of happy M&P owners out there.
Currently I am looking for a good range gun in 9mm but I want to get one that is very accurate. I am not looking for a conceal gun necessarily when I want a conceal gun I will buy another Glock 19. Here are my choices:

Sig 229 - Pros include: accuracy, quality, I like the way it feels, and size (conceal carry although it's still quite fat). Cons include: price and I find that the decocker gets in the way of my thumb on thumb shooting grip

Sig 226- same pros and cons except this one is harder to conceal and heavier than the P229.

Sig SP2022- Pros: Night Sites, price point, very accurate, fits my hand well but not as good as Smith and Wesson M&P. Cons: This gun has been discontinued, so finding parts for it may get hard.

Steyr M-A1- Pros: I like the sights- very accurate gun. Cons: more obsolete gun than all others- may be hard to find parts- not currently in production anymore (to my knowledge).

Springfield XDM: Pros: Love the way it feels in the hand, accuracy, 3 backstraps for custom fit. Cons: Length of overall grip is pretty long.

Springfield XDM 3.8 : Same pros and cons but shorter barrel than above which I like alot.

THE OTHER POSSIBILITIES- (but thats a big possibility)
Glock 17- pros: great gun and will last forever. cons: out of the 17 and 19, I would pick the 19 for accuracy- that's right I said the 19 was more accurate in my opinion. I also struggle with the Glock's frame and grip angle- other guns such as XD,s fit me better.

S&W M&P - (thats a big possibly) Pros: love the way it shoots and feels in the hand. Cons: bad experience with prior gun in .40- it was almost factory new. Hard to get the bad taste out of my mouth as I have heard others having problems with this gun on this thread.

Any input as to which one you own or which one you think I should buy would be great. Thanks for sticking in their with such a long post.

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February 28, 2010, 03:31 PM
Nothing like the real thing. Glock 19 is the best 9mm service pistol in the world in my opinion. A great many military and public service local agencies also think so as well. Now what was your question?

February 28, 2010, 03:34 PM
I don't know how anyone else can choose for you, but it seems from what you have written that you really want a dependable S&W M&P. Buy a new one with the warranty and if it doesn't work make the get it right. Or you could just bypass all this decision making and get a CZ.

February 28, 2010, 03:57 PM
If you're looking for an accurate 9mm range gun, I'd take a look at the Witness Elite Match. The importer (EAA) does not have a good reputation but Tanfoglio, the maker, does. I love mine. In my hands it's the most accurtate of my 9mms. Pleasant to shoot and has a very nice SA trigger.

1911 Nut
February 28, 2010, 04:35 PM
My personal preference would be the Springfield XD(M) in either 9MM or .40 S&W. A little trigger work, and you have a really wonderful gun that is accurate, dependable, and reasonably lightweight.

Second choice for me would be the Glock 19, generally for all the reasons folks like the Glock.

Decide what you want to do with it, constinue your research (that you are now doing), and then buy what YOU want!

February 28, 2010, 04:42 PM
You say you want a good range gun that is accurate and you're not interested in concealment yet you list a con of the Sig P226 as being difficult to conceal. DUH, what's up Doc? :rolleyes:

February 28, 2010, 04:54 PM

Rather than the 92FS, take a look and feel of the newer 90-Two.

Shot one the other day, that had a D-spring, and it had the sweetest DA pull, and light SA, clean, break "balanced" with lighter weight and softer recoil with far better accuracy, for me, getting back on target with tighter groups than his 92, all metal, INOX I tried next..



February 28, 2010, 04:58 PM
The gun is quite popular overseas so from what I have read on sigforum parts for quite some time should not be a problem. I have one and like it alot.

February 28, 2010, 05:59 PM
I'm still a fan of the Glocks. For the money, they are tough to beat. My department has used them for years and they are reliable as all can be. My Fav's are 1911's and if you have not owned one, you should. That may be something to think about.

February 28, 2010, 08:19 PM
Water Man- you're right- it seemed like a contradiction. I guess what I was saying was that if I have a Sig P229, I could also conceal it but then again it is a little thick. By the way, I failed to mention I had a Kimber full size 1911 that I loved but couldn't find ammo for during the ammo shortage we experienced. Once the ammo became available again, it was $22 a box! Needless to say, I sold the Kimber and bought a 9mm.

February 28, 2010, 08:46 PM
I just spent months agonizing over a decision on a new plastic gun. I've never owned a plastic gun so I just wanted one for my collection. I wasn't concerned about concealed carry as I already have my preffered weapons for ccw. That left me with tons of choices. I ended up with a Gen4 Glock 17. I've shot several glocks in the past, so I feel moderately comfortable with them and I know they are pretty accurate. I wanted to see what all the fuss was about, too lol. So many Glock owners are ferociously brand loyal I figured adding one to my collection wouldn't be something I'd regret.:confused:

After recently fondling an xd 3.8...I probably would have bought that instead. It just points more naturally for me. I'm still trying to get past that glock grip angle. No big deal, the release of the 3.8 gives me another reason to self justify another addition to my collection.:rolleyes: Myself, I'm a fan of almost any quality boomstick.

Good luck in your decision. I vote for either an RTF19 or the XD 3.8. Either piece is a fine firearm and one you wouldn't be dissappointed with.

February 28, 2010, 08:51 PM
I sold the Kimber and bought a 9mm.

I've regretted the sale of any of my firearms. Even a lowly, run of the mill Beretta 96. I miss the ol girl and her CT grips. I recently decided to keep them all from now on :eek:. I keep one to two weapons I'm not as attached too and designate them as "traders." If I sell it, it has to be replaced. My Kimbers are keepers, I think my new Glock just may be a keeper, too. We'll just have to see if it's a quick flame or a long term lover lol.

February 28, 2010, 08:58 PM
If you want to carry, these guns are reliable and very concealable:

Glock 26/27/33
S&W M&P compacts
HK P2000 SK
Walther PPS
Springfield Armory EMP (flush base magazine)
Glock 36
XD Compact

Many of these models will take longer magazines. Some have grip adapters, some don't. The Glock 26 works great with Glock 19 and 17 magazines with or without a grip adapter. The XD's and M&Ps also handle longer magazines. I'm not sure about the others. The EMP is a smaller 1911 if you like that type of gun.

I think the main thing is to just choose a gun and commit to training with it. Gun surfing is fun and leads to a tactically light wallet and proficiency with a wide variety of handguns.

If you just want a range gun, get a custom 1911 made for shooting sports. I kinda like the STI's with 26 round magazines (9mm). SVI's are really nice.

February 28, 2010, 09:11 PM
Anyone have an opinion about the Browning Hi Power? I've always liked the looks of it and somewhat of a desire to own one. Don't "need" one, just 'want" one.

February 28, 2010, 09:22 PM
i say try the h&k p7 while you can still find one

March 1, 2010, 03:16 AM
I don't know how anyone else can choose for you, but it seems from what you have written that you really want a dependable S&W M&P. Buy a new one with the warranty and if it doesn't work make the get it right...
I think that is the right answer.
I can add from personal experience... I own an early model M&P40. I put the first 900 rounds through it, right out of the box, without cleaning or lubing. At this point, I'm well over 3,000 rounds and I have never had a failure of any type - except ammo-related. I've had a couple case failures and one crimp failure, all from factory reloads.

Just One Shot
March 1, 2010, 08:53 AM
Since you liked the XD so much why not get a sub compact?

I have a .40 SC, it's easy to CC and it holds plenty of ammo for it's size.

If 10 + 1 rds. isn't enough it comes with an extended mag with the spacer sleeve that holds 13 + 1.

March 1, 2010, 03:07 PM
M&P .40, the RO at the local range let me handle his. I fell in love with the feel in my hand and the trigger.

I have two guns in .40, no problems here

March 1, 2010, 03:30 PM
If you want a great range gun chambered for 9MM that is accurate and reliable I would buy a G17, G17L or G34.

March 1, 2010, 03:34 PM
You've done the wonder polymers. How about a Browning Hi-power, CZ75b... or a big wheelgun just for something different?

March 1, 2010, 05:58 PM
If you like the Steyr you could wait for the Caracal. Seems to be the next generation of the Steyr. Apparently available soon? Just a thought.

March 1, 2010, 06:12 PM
I'd get the another Beretta 92. I love the way they look and they're great shooters.

Out of your choices though, probably a Sig P2022. I like everything about Sig's 'poly' guns. I think the 2022 looks great too!

March 1, 2010, 06:15 PM
.600 Nitro Express.

March 1, 2010, 07:22 PM
It has been said that imitation is the greatest form of flattery. I recommend buying the guns that every one else is coping.

Walthers...... Blow Back Fixed Barrel
Glock.......... Polymer
Colt............ 1911A1 Lock Breech
S&W........... Revolvers

Everything else are just cheap imitations in my opinion.

March 1, 2010, 07:28 PM
No CZ's on your list. I recommend you try one in PCR/P-01 form. :cool:

March 1, 2010, 08:04 PM
Anyone have an opinion about the Browning Hi Power?

They're near the top of my favorite 9mms list. Mine have been great. I used to CCW one but stopped for some reason. I'd carry again without hesitation.

I feel the BHP is one of the most ergonomically comfortable and natural pointing handguns there is; I'd say the same about the CZ 75.

March 1, 2010, 08:07 PM
While it's not on your list, I would recommend that you at least give some thought -- if not a good, hard look -- to the Walther P99. It's the real deal, IMO. A range visit would prove that out in short order.

March 2, 2010, 06:12 AM
Get the Sig P229. You'll get used to the decocker, and since shot placement is king, the accuracy of the 229 should win out in the decision.

Then get a SA XD9sc with a Pearce grip extension. You'll be impressed. Believe it or not, it's the first gun that I say competes with, or bests a G19 as the ultimate carry gun.

As you buy and sell other guns, you'll find these two are keepers.

March 2, 2010, 10:55 AM
Why would a Sig 2022 be on your list since you already owned one according to your list? HK,CZ or Beretta/Stoeger 8000

Full Metal Jacket
March 2, 2010, 12:15 PM
glock 19 rtf2 :D

March 2, 2010, 01:34 PM
out of your choices I'd pick up a Sig P226, 229, or the XDM. See if you can find a refurbed or used Sig. That'll run ya cheaper than the XDM will if you look hard enough. I would, though, ditch the XDM and pick a Glock back up instead. Call it fanboyism, but I'm too used to mine to move on with a "better" striker-fired handgun.

March 2, 2010, 07:46 PM
Okay- I have narrowed it down a little more according to what I can find in my local area:
Glock 19 RTF2- $489 new
XD w/ night sites- $545 new
XDM 3.8 Bi tone- $599 new
Sig P229 w/ night sites- $750 new
What do you think?

March 8, 2010, 08:13 PM
I ended up buying a Sig P229 SCT 9mm with four 18 round mags. I won the auction for it new for $675! I am so excited to get it and shoot it this week.

March 9, 2010, 03:31 PM
I agree with some of the other responders about the M&P. You obviously loved the M&P, less the love for the lack of warranty. Get a new M&P .40 and drop the new Apex sear into it. Makes the trigger very smooth with a nice reset. Best part is the 5.5lb +/- trigger pull. Apex is now also selling a new firing pin block which further smooths the trigger with less travel. I have yet to install the FPB. My M&P 9C is a different gun with the new sear and I really like it. Just my 2 cents.

March 9, 2010, 03:57 PM
Needless to say, I sold the Kimber and bought a 9mm.

You had a Kimber & you were worried about the price of ammo...:banghead:

I bought my first handgun (Ruger KP90) last November & had a Lee Classic press at Christmas. Wasn't so much the price as being able to get any .45ACP at all.
Primers can be as tough to find as .45ACP (but easier than .357).

As for your question, there are really only two NEW guns I'd consider, being a broke retired squid. Either a Rock Island Armory .45 Tactical or Bersa Thunder .380. Plastic pistols hold no interest for me at all.

What I'm REALLY looking for is a S&W M19 in excellent condition...;)

Full Metal Jacket
March 9, 2010, 04:12 PM
Okay- I have narrowed it down a little more according to what I can find in my local area:
Glock 19 RTF2- $489 new
XD w/ night sites- $545 new
XDM 3.8 Bi tone- $599 new
Sig P229 w/ night sites- $750 new
What do you think?

g19 rtf2, without question.

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