Para GI Expert or STI Spartan


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jc650
March 1, 2010, 08:19 PM
Im lookin for a 1911 that wont break my bank. Does anyone have experience with either of these two listed guns? Im aware of the STI being assembled in the Phillipines using the Armscor frame and slide. Im also open to other suggestions iin this price range. Thanks in advance.

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barrow
March 1, 2010, 08:23 PM
Definitely Spartan. No contest.

JDGray
March 1, 2010, 08:38 PM
With my experiance I had with Para's CS dept, I'll always vote against the Para line of 1911s.

So I guess that leaves the Spartan:D

Full Metal Jacket
March 1, 2010, 08:42 PM
para gi expert, without question (100% made in america, not the philippines). plus, STI is discontinuing the spartan....

my gi expert is a flawless tackdriver.

check out my full review:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=495030


the spartan can't touch the gi expert's fit quality. best gun para makes. under $500 too...

HexHead
March 1, 2010, 08:42 PM
If you're going to get an Amscor built one anyway, might as well get a Rock Island for $399 and be done with it.

I'd get the Para.

Sapper771
March 1, 2010, 09:05 PM
My vote goes to the Spartan. My friend had one and it was just as accurate as his STI Trojan. Very tight gun, but it never malfunctioned. The Spartan is backed by STI if something goes wrong with it.

Read too much bad stuff on Paras and their customer service. A friend's recoil spring plug broke on his P-14 Limited after 200 rounds. Para wouldn't do anything about it.

txgolfer45
March 1, 2010, 09:56 PM
I have a GI Expert. It is an excellent 1911 for the money. Accurate, reliable. I changed the grip panels to VZ Grips as the factory ones are nothing special. Slide to frame fit is nice and tight. Works well with Wilson Combat ETM and Trip Research Cobramag magazines.

I also own an STI Trojan in 9mm. It is awesome. Functions perfectly. Can't speak to the Spartan though.

LeonCarr
March 1, 2010, 10:15 PM
STI Spartan

bds
March 1, 2010, 10:23 PM
If you want 100% USA made, save up a little money and buy the STI Trojan. (If you check the lower priced (sub $700) 1911 parts source, often they are non-USA).

If you don't mind non-USA parts and want better accuracy/performance, then STI Spartan.

Full Metal Jacket
March 2, 2010, 12:41 AM
I have a GI Expert. It is an excellent 1911 for the money. Accurate, reliable. I changed the grip panels to VZ Grips as the factory ones are nothing special.

me too :)

http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/champop1911/Pic348.jpg

http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/champop1911/Pic270.jpg

MICHAEL T
March 2, 2010, 01:04 AM
After my experience with Para I say the STI Spartan I would take a hi point before another Para least the Hi Point will work more than 1 shot

BMF500
March 2, 2010, 04:20 AM
Go Para GI, $ for $ best 1911 on the market right now.

Radagast
March 2, 2010, 06:48 AM
Another disenchanted former para owner. Go the Spartan.

fast200
March 2, 2010, 09:37 PM
What are the problems many people seem to be having with Para? Is it simply customer service related or the quality of the product?

Strahley
March 2, 2010, 09:40 PM
I'd go with the STI. I had a Para before, won't own another one (was a jam-o-matic for me)

JDGray
March 2, 2010, 10:17 PM
What are the problems many people seem to be having with Para? Is it simply customer service related or the quality of the product?

Both

New broke gun(frame), and a CS that blamed the owner for the issue.

jc650
March 2, 2010, 10:20 PM
Thanks for all the responses. Ive read some good reviews on the Para but have heard some real bad stories too. Im leaning towards the Spartan at this point, if I can get one.

Mags
March 2, 2010, 10:20 PM
Finish on my Para GI sucked I sold it, get the STI.

iblong
March 3, 2010, 12:50 PM
Spartan.

verdun59
March 3, 2010, 12:54 PM
Spartan, mine has been flawless. I can't comment on Para.

Kingofthehill
March 3, 2010, 01:10 PM
Id go spartan. Smaller company with great Customer Service from what ive seen friends go through.

JOe

Ben86
March 3, 2010, 03:07 PM
I've considered the para but decided against it when I found out it doesn't even have a feed ramp. I'd go with the third option: Taurus PT1911 It also comes in 9mm.

Full Metal Jacket
March 3, 2010, 03:13 PM
:eek:

there's no such thing as a 1911 that doesn't have a feed ramp.

some are fully ramped, but most have a ramp that is integral with the frame, like the gi expert:


http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/champop1911/P1020411.jpg

Ben86
March 3, 2010, 03:43 PM
Ahh....good to know.

Radagast
March 3, 2010, 03:44 PM
I've only seen one STI with function problems, a Trojan thaw had feed issues, but thtat may have been related to the owners reloads.

I had a second hand P16-40 that would not extract and occasionally would not feed. The swinging link was peening as well making it hard to work the slide.
I've seen a P14-45 with a cracked frame, a brand new Para that had to have the mags replaced with STI mags to get it to function, another with the same problem that functioned well, but over a year of IPSC shooting _all_ the internal parts wore out and had to be replaced with aftermarket bits. I've also seen one where the rear sight came loose.

As a result of the above I am not interested in any Para Ordnance product.

mljdeckard
March 3, 2010, 05:12 PM
I have recently seen more than one Para with issues from sloppy manufacturing. The one I was directly involved with, they had squeezed the slide in a vise so tightly (probably to install the night sights) that they malformed the cavity and the plug was stuck and wouldn't come out. Back to the factory.

Not only are STIs probably the most consistently good 1911s you can buy, I would look for ways to support them for their stance in not selling guns to CA. If I had to replace my Kimber tomorrow, I would give STI a serious look.

JoeSlomo
March 3, 2010, 05:18 PM
STI Spartan.

No contest. GREAT guns, very reasonably priced.

Check out Dave Dawson's site at Dawson Precision. He's done well by me, and like 4 of my buds.

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