[Ughh]

Sup guys, I was thinking of buying a Remington 1100 auto-loader and then came by the Remingtin 11-87. What's the difference between the two?

Also, are buttstocks the same between the 870, 1100, and any others? I look for accessories for the 1100 and can hardly find any. But there are numerous aftermarket stuff for the 870 . :(

[ArmedBear]

11-87 is self-compensating for heavy and light loads. The 1100 isn't. The 1100 G3 is a newer version of the 11-87.

Buttstocks of the 870 and 11xx series are interchangeable. Foreends aren't.

IMO all these autoloaders are obsolete, and unless you are looking to buy used, for cheap, you would do well to look at what else is out there these days. Look INSIDE the guns and gas systems. Remington's current MSRPs for their ancient designs are ludicrous, given the higher-quality and much-improved designs that Browning, Winchester, Beretta, Benelli, et al. are offering.

Others may differ in opinion. Some people are stuck on the 1100. So decide for yourself.:)

[oneounceload]

Buttstocks of the 870 and 11xx series are interchangeable. Foreends aren't.


AB - the 870 is properly drilled for the spring that the 1100 has? I wasn't aware of that.....

[ArmedBear]

I should say that buttstocks are available that are interchangeable. I'm not sure if all of them are, due to the diameter of the bolt hole.

The buffer spring is pretty skinny, though, and AFAIK the 870 bolt is as long.

[Ughh]

Remington's current MSRPs for their ancient designs are ludicrous, given the higher-quality and much-improved designs that Browning, Winchester, Beretta, Benelli, et al. are offering.

Others may differ in opinion. Some people are stuck on the 1100. So decide for yourself.:)

yea... about Benelli... I really can't shell out an arm and a leg for the Ferrari of shotguns. Granted there are more expensive modded ones like the ones from Wilson Combat or Nighthawk Customs. I mean, is there anything more expensive right out of the factory than Benelli??

[Ughh]

I should say that buttstocks are available that are interchangeable. I'm not sure if all of them are, due to the diameter of the bolt hole.

The buffer spring is pretty skinny, though, and AFAIK the 870 bolt is as long.
wait so en-light of what oneounce said, is the majority of stocks interchangeable btwn the Remington models or is the majority of stocks not interchangeable??

[ArmedBear]

I mean, is there anything more expensive right out of the factory than Benelli??

Lesseee...

1100: MSRP $1105 and up
Montefeltro: MSRP $1269 and up

Given that the Montefeltro isn't junk, I'd say it's worth the extra few bucks.

Like I said, Remington's MSRPs are laughable.

As far as stocks, I have no idea what you want. Pretty much any new tactical crap will fit 870/1100/1187 shotguns. If you want to know if an old Wingmaster TB stock will fit an 1100, I have no idea.

[conhntr]

yea... about Benelli... I really can't shell out an arm and a leg for the Ferrari of shotguns. I mean, is there anything more expensive right out of the factory than Benelli??
i wouldnt call the benelli a "ferrari" and 1000-1500 is mid-range for shotguns.

Given that the Montefeltro isn't junk, I'd say it's worth the extra few bucks.

Like I said, Remington's MSRPs are laughable.

im with you on remingtons NEW msrp's. i would never buy one new; but any gun show ive been to in always has field models ~500$ and target models just above that. especially since the OP wants to switch out furniture anyway he could get a gun with beat-up wood and decent metal for under 500. you can replace all the "wear" parts on one of these for around 100$ and have a great gun.

however ive shot benellis and never understood them. if i was going to shoot an auto-loader i want a gas-gun for recoil reduction. the benelli kicks like a fixed breach gun (or somehow feels even worse) i would rather get a o/u. in the benelli price range you can find decent used berreta/browning/remington (3200) etc. that i would take way before a benelli.

[ArmedBear]

you can replace all the "wear" parts on one of these for around 100$ and have a great gun.


There are some simple things on an 1100 you can't fix at home... Remingtons are like laws and sausages: you don't want to know how any of them are made. Also, parts aren't free, and if you put on a new barrel and stock set, you've paid too much for the 1100, even if it was cheap to start with. I speak from personal experience.

if i was going to shoot an auto-loader i want a gas-gun for recoil reduction.

For a range toy, yes. For upland hunting, a 20 Gauge Montefeltro is one of the better choices.

That said, I use Beretta gas guns and some O/Us, myself, but the Monte makes a lot of sense for chukar hunting. I can't think of much that would be worse than a 3200 or Citori for that.:)

[conhntr]

however i think the OP wasnt looking for a lightweight upland gun since he is asking for "accessories and stocks, wilson tactical" etc. which for a HD or similar the 20ga montefeltro would not be my choice

however for upland i like my franchi al48 pretty good gun...

[ArmedBear]

franchi al48

That's the other good choice.:)

WRT HD, I wouldn't trust an 1100 with my life.

[conhntr]

really? i have had really good luck with them. id say on average 1 gun related FTF out of ~1000-3000 rounds depending on specific gun.

my personal HD gun is an 870 simply because they cost half. id be comfortable with either or my 391.

[Capstick1]

Aside from having to replace the rubber oring around the magazine tube once in a while the 1187/1100 isn't a bad shotgun. The orings aren't that expensive, last a long time and are easy to replace when they wear out or break. The majority of malfunctions with this shotgun are caused by this rubber oring.

[oneounceload]

With my 1100, I have had more issues with the firing pin retraction spring than I have had with the O-ring

[jmr40]

The Benelli is not for everyone. If you shoot a lot of clays, or birds for that matter a much heavier gas gun such as the Beretta, Winchester or even the Remington is a better choice.

The way I hunt, I can live with the slightly heavier recoil to get a 1/2 Lb lighter gun. My Benelli is lighter than my 870 pump, kicks no worse and is just as reliable and easy to clean since it has no gas system. It's perfect for my uses, but If I shot a ton of clay targets I would not have sold my Beretta.

[ArmedBear]

really? i have had really good luck with them.

Yeah.

Have you ever found an 1100 charging handle in the dirt? I have. And as I said, I know what's in it.

I didn't say I would never hunt with one. I used to, before I sold mine. I said I wouldn't trust my life to it.:)

Note that the 870 and 590 are combat-tested. There are many reasons that the military chose the 870; the 1100 wasn't much different in price at the time, all else being equal. They're very similar guns inside.

The fact is, you can have a really reliable pump gun for relatively cheap. If someone thinks a Benelli is a "Ferrari" and can't see spending the money on a combat-ready semiauto, I'd recommend a pump for self-defense. I don't have an HD semiauto, either.

[Ughh]

however i think the OP wasnt looking for a lightweight upland gun since he is asking for "accessories and stocks, wilson tactical" etc. which for a HD or similar the 20ga montefeltro would not be my choice

however for upland i like my franchi al48 pretty good gun...
heheh, very intuitive conhntr without me even mentioning my intent with the shotgun.\

AB - geez man, very concise and informative. I'm glad you caught my thread, i've learned so much already. :D

[Ughh]

however ive shot benellis and never understood them. if i was going to shoot an auto-loader i want a gas-gun for recoil reduction. the benelli kicks like a fixed breach gun (or somehow feels even worse) i would rather get a o/u.

Really? In your experience gas operation has less recoil then, Benelli??

Isn't benelli inertia operated, or something along those lines? What other forms of operation am I missing?

[Ughh]

With my 1100, I have had more issues with the firing pin retraction spring than I have had with the O-ring

*Sigh* you guys are really starting to draw me off the 1100, or Remington for that matter. :p

I've also considered Mossberg 930 SPX. I thought the value was good considering it's already railed for accessories and already has fiber optic NS.

[nightbuck]

I once shot an 1100 without shooting glasses, and I got a a bad powder burn in my eye.

[Milkmaster]

1983...Remington announced that the company had manufactured its three-millionth Model1100 autoloading shotgun.

Bunches have been sold since. Whether it is your favorite or not, that many did not get sold becuase it was junk! The 1100 is not indestructable, but it does have a proven history of being a nice soft shooting gas gun. Let the others brag when their models have sold as many as the 1100. I grant that some of the newer gas systems may be a little cleaner, but you won't buy them as cheaply as you can find a slightly used 1100 in a pawn shop or gun store. The 1100 is hard to beat for what you will pay for it.

[oneounceload]

Really? In your experience gas operation has less recoil then, Benelli??

Isn't benelli inertia operated, or something along those lines? What other forms of operation am I missing?

Since the Beretta gas gun or 1100 will be heavier than the inertia Benelli - they will have both less ACTUAL and less FELT recoil.....

[ArmedBear]

that many did not get sold becuase it was junk!

That is also true of the Colt 1851 Navy .36 caliber revolver. I wouldn't choose or recommend it for self-defense, either, even though I like them. It was great in its day, but its more recent replacements are more reliable, function better, run cleaner, and are more refined inside and out. It just belongs in another century, or is best saved for recreational use, not life-threatening situations. The same is true of the 1100.

"Junk" is relative to place and time. If someone submitted an 1851 Navy to the US Army for testing as a Beretta 92 replacement, you'd call it junk. Back in the Civil War, Colt couldn't make enough of the things.

I know a shop that has a literal pile of old 1100s for sale, if you want some. They have so many, they didn't even care to buy mine when I wanted to unload it.

[Virginian]

Boy Bear, eight negative Remington posts in one thread, are you going for a new record? You can hate on, but I still have 47 years of trouble free performance with 1100s and 11-87s, and still going. And there are a whole lot of people who aren't giving up their Remingtons just because the design isn't less than 6 months old. After a bout with cancer I decided to thin my shotgun battery to the tune of several thousand dollars worth two years ago. But, I kept my 1963 Model 1100 and bought a 28 gauge 1100 to replace a 28 I sold, not because I couldn't afford anything else, but because that was what I wanted.
There is not a thing wrong with the Berettas I have looked at and shot either. I would handle the guns and see which feels best to you, since you are the one who's going to be shooting it, and I do believe the feel quite different.
I personally cannot abide recoil or inertia operated guns, but to each their own. But, Benelli has certainly proved the power of marketing, got to hand them that.

[chas08]

Have you ever found an 1100 charging handle in the dirt?Nope, but I did once spend a half hour or so helping a friend look for the one from his beretta 391. We didn't find it. But the day wasn't lost. I loaned him one of my Remingtons so he could finish getting his limit of Doves.

[ArmedBear]

Everything in context, Virginian. Do you keep an 1100 for home defense?

The first Cordoba I ever shot belonged to a guy who took his trusty 1100, the gun that never let him down, to Mexico for a high-volume dove shoot. The thing crapped out on the first day, and he found the money to buy a Cordoba when he got home. Then he bought another one, so he'd have a 12 and a 20. Personally, I find the Cordoba to be one expensive SOB for an ugly plastic semiauto, but I have to admit that I sure like the way they handle and shoot.

When I was a kid, the family cars were something that were driven during the week and had their hoods open on the driveway every other weekend, it seemed. People accepted that from 1960s technology. However, someone whose expectations were shaped in the 2000s would find replacing points and doing "tune-ups" every 10,000 miles, tweaking carburetors, replacing tires and brakes annually, etc. to be a real PITA.

Whereas break actions and pump shotguns were pretty much done with serious design improvements by the mid 1960s, semiautos have been going through their serious development phase over the past 50 years. With all due respect to the much-loved but funky Auto 5, it was the 1100 that really sparked that development spurt. It was revolutionary in 1961. Since then, though, it's been overtaken by a number of other designs that are more reliable, easier to clean, less hokey (the magazine spring retainer? come on!:D), etc. It's not MY fault that Remington squandered their huge lead in the industry. What DID they do with the profits from all those millions of guns? A bit of R&D investment might have been good...

Still, I guess it depends if you want to shoot the best shotgun you can get in 2010, or if you want to play with old guns in your garage. "The best shotgun you can get in 2010" can be done on a budget. It doesn't necessarily mean $1500+.

This much I will say: apart from one G3 at the Sporting Clays range, I don't believe I've seen a single 1100 in the field, or at the range, in the past couple years. I've seen a lot of old ones in gun shops, though. I've only run into huge fans of the things on the Interwebs. So I'm not sure who all these people who aren't giving up their Remingtons are, but they're nowhere I am, that's for sure. At least they're not shooting them. (And yes, I see plenty of old guns, like Superposed O/Us, Model 12s, Model 37s, etc.)

Is the 1100 a viable sporting shotgun? Sure. There are many better ones in 12 and some in 20, but if you want a 28 Gauge gas gun, there aren't any others.

I said I wouldn't trust my life to one. I never said I keep a Beretta for HD either, because I don't. So how many of you use an 1100 for home defense?

[Virginian]

If they get past the dogs and me and the 357 and 44 then I think the Wingmaster is at the very front of the safe because of the longer barrel, so I would have to say an 1100 is not my primary home defense weapon. I have bet my life on one more than once and was not the least concerned.
But, in 47 years thru 8 1100s and 11-87s, I have replaced one extractor that broke, one first generation fore end support (they changed those about 44 years ago) that was cracking, and one 'O' ring that was getting ragged looking on my 20 gauge, but was still working. That is all I have ever had to do to my guns other than a quick squirt with WD-40 or RemOil and a wipe down of the gas parts, aside from an annual, or post duck marsh bath, full teardown.
I also replaced a buddy's broken firing pin in his 1100 about 33 years ago.
I have replaced lots of parts in all kinds of guns thru the years, but I dare say that even though there have been more Remingtons about, they did not constitute most of the failures. In fact, in my very limited experience, and with out statistical data, it sure seemed like the Browning A-5s and especially the Ithacas were the most name brand-name trouble prone. A lot of Remington "issues" appeared dirt aided to me. Berettas had a very good record, but if you do need a part - good luck.
I have a 1966 GTO. I do have to adjust the points every few months - 5 minutes. If I decide to change the plugs it's pretty easy - you can actually see them all from the top side of the engine. The three deuce carbs have never experienced the dreaded difficulties of adjustment I have heard about, but never seen. I have had to go into the engine once. I was done before I could have seen the head on our Mustang when it had to have a head gasket replaced it took a day to see the head. I have spent many hours tinkering with it, but not that many because it really needed anything done. It left me stranded once, but I blame the Mercedes that hit me. Darned foreigners.