Need Help Indentifying This Gun!!


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Foto Joe
March 3, 2010, 10:10 AM
I'm no good on Remmies as far as what they are so I need some help. I found this .44 gun in a local shop here in Texas with a price of $425 on it. Unfortunately that's about the only thing on it.

It is stamped on the 7" barrel "Made in Italy". There is no BP proof mark, there is no proof date mark, there is no manufacturer name...ANYWHERE!! There is a serial number on the bottom of the grip strap and to the left of that is what might be an "S" or a similar makers mark that might look like an S. Also I am assuming that the grip is faux ivory.

Here's the kicker, it is also stamped "222 of 1000", telling me that it is probably some sort of commemorative. But if that were the case of a replica commemorative you would think they would put more information on the thing, like what the h... it commemorates!!

It has been fired and appears in good shape overall. The gun shop guy knows nothing other than it's a .44 and it's made in Italy.

I suspect that this thing is nothing special with a very special price on it. But I want to perform my due diligence so I don't find out down the road that I should have picked it up.

Anybody got any ideas??

Joe
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sundance44s
March 3, 2010, 10:29 AM
You should have looked under the loading lever ..thats where ASM hid their mark .
most of them are nickel plated brass frame guns . Some folks like `em ...I think they look like Pimp pistols .

BHP FAN
March 3, 2010, 10:38 AM
Bring a magnet,and see if it will stick to the top strap. If it wont,it's plated brass...not that there's anything wrong with that! it's just nice to know,in case you were thinking of doing the conversion cylinder thing. Brass framed guns,especially with a top strap,and with light to moderate loads should last forever, but the makers of the various conversion cylinders call for steel frames only.

jimmyraythomason
March 3, 2010, 11:13 AM
Remington 1858 New Army replica-Pietta Old Silver (just a guess).

Tommygunn
March 3, 2010, 11:32 AM
1858 Rem for sure .... I think it's Armi San Marco.

Foto Joe
March 3, 2010, 11:59 AM
Great input, thanks.

I had the cylinder out and the pin pulled but might have missed the ASM stamp as it might have been hidden by the pin.

"If" this is a nickle plated brass I would assume that the $425 price is a touch above reasonable. I'd sure like to know why it's numbered 222 of 1000 though. A limited run might actually be worth a couple of $$$ "if" it had some documentation.

I'm going back over there tomorrow or the next day or so to shoot as they have an outdoor range. I'll take one of my barite magnets with me to check it.

Got any ideas as to why ASM would have produced an 1858 New Army in nickle with the scrolling and ivory (sort of) grips in a limited edition?

Thanks,

Joe

arcticap
March 3, 2010, 12:12 PM
Why? Because people like shiny objects and want to own something flashy to shoot or display!

The Sportsman's Guide has had special runs of Traditions guns made by Pietta which they usually made with a nickel finish and white grips. Sometimes they were sold in sets and they even ended up selling some on clearance.
The Guide has a special relationship with Traditions and any large outfit can contract to have 1000 guns made with specific features, serial numbers and names and then call it a special run. Usually only the large mail order outfits like The Guide and Gander Mountain did that. In the past Traditions made special runs of rifles for them too.

sundance44s
March 3, 2010, 12:44 PM
Cabelas sells one just like it made by Pietta ...I don`t think Uberti ever made one like that .
I see them on gunbroker used for 300.00 or so , this one is a tad high .
yep a rubber fridge magnet is good to carry to gunshows and such to check the frames ..there`s a lot of plated brass frame guns out there .
They are normally a limited run , think about what would happen to the finish if you shoot it and clean it often , they were more made as eye catching displays .
The front site looks to be dovetailed in as does the loading lever latch stud ...Pietta never did that on their 1858 model ASM did , so its probally an ASM .

351 WINCHESTER
March 3, 2010, 02:51 PM
My friend had one and it must have been made for looking at cause it had issues.

BHP FAN
March 3, 2010, 06:57 PM
possibly a Buffalo Bill commemrative? Seems to me I saw one in the back of an NRA magazine a coupla years back.You'd think they'd mention that somwhere on the gun, though.Maybe it was just a limited run of engraved pistols? IF I could afford it, right now [ I can't] I'd buy it.

Fingers McGee
March 3, 2010, 07:43 PM
ASM would be my guess also. If there is an AS, SM, or Marco stamped anywhere on it, it is definitely an ASM.

BHP FAN
March 3, 2010, 07:56 PM
https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/POWDER/MBPProofmarks.pdf

Hellgate
March 4, 2010, 12:50 AM
Some alloys of stainless steel will not attract a magnet whereas others will. It looks like brass under the chipped nickel on the right side of the frame.

madcratebuilder
March 4, 2010, 08:30 AM
This is a Navy Arms nickle plated brass frame 58. very similar less the engraving.
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There is a single stamp under the barrel, unreadable but I believe it's a Pietta. It's accepts Pietta cylinders.

sundance44s
March 4, 2010, 08:46 AM
The ASM Remingtons will also use the Pietta cylinders ...I swap them in mine all the time .
The Euro Arms Remingtons will swap with the Uberti Remington cylinders also .
Makes for good swaping out conversion cylinders ....

Foto Joe
March 5, 2010, 09:29 AM
Okay, first of all thanks to those of you who replied to this thread.

I went back to the gun shop yesterday to burn up some powder (they've got an outdoor range). I had another look at this gun. The frame is brass as suspected, but the plating isn't nickle, IT'S CHROME!

Still no proof marks even under the loading lever. The only place left to look is take off the trigger guard and I'm not really that interested in an overpriced shiny gun.

Here's my take on this for what it's worth:

Probably made by ASM. Frame and/barrell never proofed which to me means that this gun was produced solely as a wall hanger, never intended to be fired, yet it has been, more than once from the looks of it.

Joe

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