Why the Tyler T-Grip is not for me


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W.E.G.
March 3, 2010, 06:06 PM
It makes my hand hang off the bottom of the grip.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/SecuritySixgrip-TylerTopenhand.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/SecuritySixgrip-TylerT.jpg

Incidentally, this is also why I don't like mid-size Glocks - my fingers hang halfway off the bottom of the grip mid-size Glock frame.

By comparison, I can get ALL my fingers on the Ruger without the T-Grip.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/SecuritySixgripopenhand.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/SecuritySixgrip.jpg

A few more "how much can you hold" pics

Smith and Wesson Model 10 with Pachmyr "Gripper" grip.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/SWModel10gripclosed.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/SWModel10gripopen.jpg

Smith and Wesson Model 64 with replica OEM grip.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/SWModel64gripclosed.jpg

Glock 22 ("full size" frame)
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Glock22grip.jpg

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fireside44
March 3, 2010, 06:08 PM
My pinky always winds up under the grip unless I'm using something with finger groove combat style grips. Just got used to it.

1KPerDay
March 3, 2010, 06:09 PM
I'd rather have my pinky off the grip and have my hand positioned properly along the backstrap and relative to the trigger.

fireside44
March 3, 2010, 06:11 PM
I'd rather have my pinky off the grip and have my hand positioned properly along the backstrap and relative to the trigger.

My model 10 with square butt feels funny to shoot if my hand rides up too high using a full grip. Same with the SAA, it just works having my pinky under there.

W.E.G.
March 3, 2010, 06:20 PM
That's a good observation about how the T-grip brings the trigger-finger more "in line" with the trigger.

I noticed that too, but for a carry-gun, I find having my whole hand to be much more important than the angle-of-approach of my trigger finger.

Maybe for competitive target-shooting I would find the lower trigger finger position to be of worth the trade-off.

Water-Man
March 3, 2010, 06:25 PM
What size hands do you have?

fireside44
March 3, 2010, 06:27 PM
I liked your Model 10 Pachmayr style grips because basically it lets my pinky get a full grip and still it is sitting sort of under the grip frame itself. My favorite piece has similar grips. Otherwise my hand chokes up on the grip and I'm using my knuckle to pull the trigger.

bflobill_69
March 3, 2010, 06:48 PM
I really like Pachmayrs Presentation grips... they feel best in my hand

The Lone Haranguer
March 3, 2010, 07:30 PM
The Hogue Monogrip is comfortable to hold, but does add length to the butt. This is only a real concern if the gun is for CCW, however.

Old Fuff
March 3, 2010, 10:33 PM
Well it’s this-a-way…

Old time double-action shooters preferred a high hold with no grip adapter because they wanted the line of bore to be as low in the hand as possible for better recoil control. But if the load was too heavy for the size/weight of the revolver the trigger guard would rap the knuckle of the second finger, and in extreme cases it could draw blood. Don’t ask me how I know.

Target shooters that thumb-cocked their guns liked a filler to drop the hand lower and better position the trigger finger. Then they extended the stocks at the bottom to support the little finger.

Finger grooves only work if they correctly position your fingers. For that reason I have always preferred stocks (or grip adapters) that didn’t have grooves. Bill Jordan’s design intentionally didn’t have grooves so that if he had to he could reposition his grip during a draw by letting up the pressure and then squeezing hard again.

Colt’s classic Single Action Army “plow handle” grip goes back to 1850, and the 1851 Navy model. At the time most men had smaller hands, and the grip was long enough to support the little finger. Now it’s to short for many shooters. The best answer is to use custom stocks that are slightly longer, or have a backstrap and trigger guard from an 1860 Army fitted to their favorite S.A.A.

In any case, and with any style – if your little finger is left hanging out in thin air buy a set of stocks that’s extended enough to give it the support it needs. The exception to this rule are so-called “boot grips” that are intended to be used on pocket guns, and extending the length isn’t practical.

Cocked & Locked
March 3, 2010, 11:48 PM
T-grip or not, that's a fine looking Low Back Security Six you have!

I've got its basic cousin, a Low Back Speed Six...wrong T-grip on mine though, its a Colt one. :scrutiny:

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6263277/383595241.jpg

W.E.G.
March 4, 2010, 01:01 PM
Good eye on spotting the "low-back" on the Ruger.

Honestly, that feature is the reason why I didn't just buy something like a Pachmyr "Gripper."

Mine is a "pre-151" serial number, so there DOES NOT EXIST any aftermarket grip that will fit this gun.

Cocked & Locked
March 4, 2010, 02:07 PM
Mine is a "pre-151" serial number, so there DOES NOT EXIST any aftermarket grip that will fit this gun.

Yep...ain't that a shame. Mine is also a 150 prefix gun...had some Pachmayr Grippers on it that stuck up above the frame in the back. I cut those down with a razor blade and they looked a little better but that's all.

I finally found some of the original factory grips for mine, They also just about do not exist...hard to find.

Dave T
March 4, 2010, 02:40 PM
To the OP...then don't buy or use T-Grips. It's OK with the rest of us. (LOL)

Dave

.455_Hunter
March 4, 2010, 07:10 PM
I am with you W.E.G.! :)

I am a strong proponent of "service" style grips on revolvers- ranging from I-frame S&Ws to the Colt New Service. This style of grip just feels "right" to me.

The "rap the knuckle" situation never occurs for me. This past weekend, I was shooting my 657 with the original "target" grips replaced by early 70's vintage Magnas. Even with full power Remington Express .41 Mag ammo, I had no problems controlling the weapon, nor any sore fingers. I plane on ordering some nice Magna style grips to complement my set of N-frame square butts.

No Hogues of T-grips for me! :evil:

Old Fuff
March 4, 2010, 07:22 PM
But if the load was too heavy for the size/weight of the revolver the trigger guard would rap the knuckle of the second finger,

The frontstrap-to-trigger-guard distance on an N-frame is reasonably generous, but don't try a hot load in a J-frame with the old pre-magna service stocks... :scrutiny:

gb6491
March 5, 2010, 11:38 AM
Mine is a "pre-151" serial number, so there DOES NOT EXIST any aftermarket grip that will fit this gun.
Fortunately, there are still some floating around out there:)
Herrett's made some Shooting Stars that fit this frame; there is a set for sale on rugerforum.net (http://rugerforum.net/parts-accessories/20308-grips-security-six.html) at the moment.
Jay Scott also made some grips for this frame; this ebay store (http://stores.ebay.com/ocras2007) has some in stock.
The same with Mustang; Simply Rugged has some for sale (scroll down on this page (http://simplyrugged.com/gear/) for a look).
Regards,
Greg

amd6547
March 5, 2010, 11:46 AM
I find the T-grip on my S&W Model 15 is perfect for my medium sized hand. If you don't, great. That is one of the great things about revolvers...the ability to tailor the grip to your hand.

Confederate
March 5, 2010, 04:10 PM
In virtually every review of these early "lowback" Rugers, the grip angle was roundly criticized and yes, as some have said, there were aftermarket grips. To keep costs down, Ruger bought one tree and used it to make all its grips for over a decade. Unfortunately, it corrected the problem very rapidly, but it did create a problem for owners of the earlier models.

If you keep four fingers below the trigger guard, of course there won't be enough room -- that's not the best way to hold or carry one. If you keep three fingers on the grip and the fourth along the trigger guard, the gun should fit perfectly. If I held your gun as you did in the photos, it wouldn't fit me, either.

The T-grip is a fine addition to nearly all Rugers, low-backs and subsequent models.

Four Knives
March 6, 2010, 05:56 AM
Thanks for sharing, WEG

I just picked up my fullsize Glock and by comparing it with your picture shows we have nearly identical finger widths.

I have considered TGrips in the past because of the nostalgic look they bring, but I will remember this thread if I'm ever tempted to add one to one of my revolvers.

amd6547
March 6, 2010, 09:10 AM
I think I paid $20 for my used T-grip. The way Tyler works, availability of new T-grips is spotty...there is no doubt you can resell it if you don't like it.

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