Help me pocket carry a j frame.


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camsdaddy
March 4, 2010, 12:01 PM
I recently purchased a S&W Model 38 J frame. I have no problems with this replacing my P32 as my pocket carry pistol. I have in the past carried P32 at work and a Glock 26 on my time. I think the problem I have is concealing the 38. I have an Uncle Mikes and a Mika pocket holster. My company requires Cintas uniform pants. I have noticed when I have the revolver in my pocket the but is exposed. The grips are the original wood grips. Luckily the pants are black but the insides of the pockets are white. Does anyone have suggestions on ways to make this gun more pocketable. Firearms are highly frowned upon at work so I dont need someone seeing the butt of the gun. G I have always heard a Jframe is the perfect pocket pistol please help me make this true.

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Carne Frio
March 4, 2010, 12:09 PM
Cut the bottom of the pockets and sew on an extension of a stronger material.

camsdaddy
March 4, 2010, 12:27 PM
There is an idea. I havent thought of that. The pants are leased but I only need to drop it down an inch or so. The grips do not extend out of the pocket. They can be seen standing next to me.. I realize I am worrying too much and that the world doesnt notice I go through this every few years when I change mode of carry. I figure the more tips I get the more help it may be to others as well.

Bula
March 4, 2010, 01:25 PM
Make sure the profile of the holster matches the contour of your pocket. If not, maybe try some others.

ArmedBear
March 4, 2010, 01:32 PM
Are they extended grips, or boot grips?

Or are they old wood service grips?

I.e. can you see the bottom of the frame flush with the bottom of the grips, or do the grips cover the frame on the butt end?

Blakenzy
March 4, 2010, 01:41 PM
I have always heard a Jframe is the perfect pocket pistol please help me make this true.

Yeah, you see that is what is wrong right there. Perhaps they gained that reputation as coat pocket guns, because I have never found them to work well in most slacks. Due to the cylinder length and grip design revolvers are usually rather long when measured muzzle to backstrap. They are also rather tall. NAA guardians, Seecamps or your P32 are what I would consider "true" pocket pistols. Why not stick to the P32? http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.jpg

Any how, Cut the bottom of the pockets and sew on an extension of a stronger material. seems like the best advice if you must carry the Jframe.

Kahr .380 vs .38 jframe
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Kahr-PM9/DSC02415.jpg

wild cat mccane
March 4, 2010, 02:04 PM
+1. J-frame looks like an orange in the pocket. IF other people know it as a gun or not is not the point. It still looks like an orange.

camsdaddy
March 4, 2010, 02:37 PM
They are the standard smooth to the butt grips.

jc650
March 4, 2010, 08:34 PM
I carry a SW MP340 in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster. I had it in my pocket all day wearing Adidas track pants with no problem. The only time i have trouble is with a couple pairs of my jeans in which case it goes IWB. There are better choices for dedicated pocket carry but I am much more confident in my shooting abilities with the 340 over my LCP. Like previously stated a good idea might be to try as many different holsters as possible.

Oyeboten
March 4, 2010, 09:36 PM
I modified my S&W M36 in 1989 for the front pants pocket of regular Levi 501s or other modern style, typically not-deep pocket Trousers.


This included shortening and re-shaping the 'grip', where, otherwise, had I not done so, the Grip would tend to be visible sticking out of the pocket.


Never used a Pockey Holster...just carried in the front pocket.


http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/42806/2869994030067835264S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2869994030067835264JdGIec)

camsdaddy
March 9, 2010, 09:48 PM
Well I think by changing to a cheap Blackhawk pocket holster and changing to Houge Bantam grips I think I may have worked something out. I will report back but so far so good.

bhk
March 9, 2010, 10:57 PM
Depends on the pants. I have no trouble pocket carrying a j-frame, and the resulting bulge (irregular in shape) looks less like a gun than the ones made by either my Keltec .380 or my PM40. I know you are stuck with uniform pants, but others buying pants just need to pay attention to pocket depth. With jeans for example, Levis are too shallow (they are anti-gun anyway), Carharts work fine, and Wranglers have deeper pockets yet.

In your case, adding an extention to your pocket sounds like a good idea.

madcratebuilder
March 10, 2010, 10:30 AM
try some "Banana" grips.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/holster3.jpg

David E
March 10, 2010, 01:17 PM
Or try the 5.11 holster shirt. Gets out of the pocket altogether.

S&Wfan
March 10, 2010, 09:36 PM
A round butt J-frame, sans "rubbers," usually conceals easier than any other serious caliber self defense handgun around. It isn't just the length but also the unique, tapered and rounded profile from barrel to grip that makes it disappear. Not so the Block-type bottom-feeders.

Here's an interesting photo for ya of a more concealable bottom feeder I sometimes use, next to one of my j-frames for comparison. The rounded, "melted" profile of the Kimber Ultra CDP might cause some to erroneously assume it is just as pocket concealable as the J-frames but it is not. The beavertail and the grip of the little officer's-sized 1911 .45ACP makes it much less so . . . and harder to draw too.

Naaaa . . . I'll stick with my Model 37 in an Uncle Mikes #3 pocket holster for the front pocket . . . and carry that little night-sighted custom Kimber in a more appropriate spot.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/363/363373/folders/282194/2328606IMG0124.JPG
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/363/363373/folders/282194/2256357CCW.jpg
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/363/363373/folders/282194/2328567IMG0121e.jpg

earlthegoat2
March 10, 2010, 09:42 PM
Nice setup there S&Wfan. Great way of articulating just why the snubby fits and hides so nicely in the hip pocket. A combination of shapes that coincide nicely.

If there is anything objectionable about the shape of the snubby it is the cylinder width. This is an advantage as well as a disadvantage though because it breaks up the outline very well while nestled in a pocket and distorts and blurs the rest of the lines of the revolver as the fabric of the pants has to spread out from the edges of the cylinder as opposed to hugging it like a speedo. Holsters help too.

rainbowbob
March 11, 2010, 06:24 AM
Try some "Banana" grips.

madcratebuilder: I've never those style grips before. I notice they also have a cut away for speedloaders. Where can I find them?

camsdaddy
May 12, 2010, 04:18 PM
I found that by cinching my pants tighter it pulls my pocket closed more and keeps the but and my butt from showing.

JellyJar
May 12, 2010, 06:11 PM
If you have to wear your shirt tucked in why not try one of the new IWB tuckable holsters out there?

ms6852
May 12, 2010, 06:15 PM
as an alternative with certain clothing attire I use this.

http://www.carryconcealed.net/nra-holster-shirt

The Lone Haranguer
May 12, 2010, 07:08 PM
A bit of dilemma you've got there. :(

[M]y company requires Cintas uniform pants. I have noticed when I have the revolver in my pocket the but is exposed. The grips are the original wood grips. Luckily the pants are black but the insides of the pockets are white. Does anyone have suggestions on ways to make this gun more pocketable. Firearms are highly frowned upon at work so I dont need someone seeing the butt of the gun.
This is a textbook example of total concealment taking precedence over merely unobtrusive concealment. I've also worn this type of pant, with a vertical "slash" pocket, and have also found that small-frame revolver grips peek out. Unfortunately, the suggestion I might otherwise have concurred with to deepen or fabricate new pockets is not going to fly with the uniform company, who might tattle to your supervisor(s). You may have to go to a smaller gun or try a belly band or holster shirt. Hopefully you work in an air-conditioned building, as the extra layer of fabric may get hot.

fluffi
May 12, 2010, 08:52 PM
Camsdaddy,
you didnt mention the kind of work u do.i pocket carry a j frm in jeans but cant in slacks,at least comfortably.i have a kramer holster shirt that carries a j perfectly.its not the most accesable,but very comfy and concealable.now you know why most of us a large box of holsters!!!

rdrancher
May 12, 2010, 10:11 PM
The Desantis Nemesis has an open bottom which lets the j-frame ride just a tad lower. It's not my favorite holster, but it does work.

rd

3845
May 12, 2010, 11:47 PM
Might consider an ankle holster. Pull your sock up over it if you go that way. It helps to be flexible, too. I used 'em for years, but less so now days. They are very good in the car, etc., or if you are fairly young and can still move good.

jhvaughan2
May 13, 2010, 12:11 AM
madcratebuilder: I've never those style grips before. I notice they also have a cut away for speedloaders. Where can I find them?
I have a pair of those too. I lucked into them on ebay. They are the best j-frame grip IMHO. The let you get 3 fingers on the grip and hold it higher than the stock grips.
Unfortunately, as I have been informed in another forum, another post, S&W stopped making these in the early '80s. However if you look quick there are some on ebay right now -- but they are not cheep

my $.02 on the pocket carry. My m37 in a Blackhawk IWB with the clip cut off, in the front pocket of my jeans or twill trousers looks more like a big wallet or a sun glasses case than a revolver.

rainbowbob
May 13, 2010, 01:32 AM
I have a pair of those too. I lucked into them on ebay. They are the best j-frame grip IMHO...if you look quick there are some on ebay right now...


I scoured ebay and couldn't find those banangrips.

M&PVolk
May 13, 2010, 02:03 AM
If you need that deep a level of concealment, I recommend a Smart Carry holster. This will make any gun near invisible. Otherwise, try the gun without a holster for a bit and see if it is the gun, or how the holster makes it ride. Sometimes and 8.5x11 sheet of paper folded in quarters will break up the outline all you need. I have yet to find a pair of pants that wouldn't hide a J-Frame.

camsdaddy
May 13, 2010, 11:37 AM
I have found that with a properly tightened belt my M38 does quite well. Ive been carrying it there for quite a few weeks now. I have been carrying on my weakside pocket. I dont know I figure if its always there it will be handy even if I am carrying something else on my belt. Also if I grab it and Im up close and personal I will have a better chance of grabbing my attacker with my strong hand. I did get outed this morning. I was brushing my teeth when my 6yr old asked why I had such big pockets. About that time I felt her hand sliding in my pocket. I quickly grabbed her hand and told her it was not polite to stick your hand in others pockets and I had stuff. I was relieved when she said yeah I thought I felt your phone.

jhvaughan2
May 13, 2010, 05:58 PM
I scoured ebay and couldn't find those banangrips.
Sorry man, I would swear they were there. I put them in my watch list and saw them there last night. The auction must have been removed. They wanted over $50 for them and the colors did not match. They were smooth (like the ones I have) not etched like magnas.

rdrancher
May 13, 2010, 06:05 PM
D&J has 'em

http://www.shop.dandjgunrepair.com/product.sc?productId=785&categoryId=9

rd

ronto
May 13, 2010, 06:23 PM
I've tried various pocket holsters for my DAO Ruger SP101. The best I've found is made by Mika.

LawofThirds
May 13, 2010, 10:07 PM
I've had good results from my desantis nemesis, but yeah, I've got some pants that just don't like pocket carry. Tuckable IWB seems to be a good choice but I'd rather have a thin semi-auto like a commander sized 1911 in the waistband area.

JoeShmoe
May 14, 2010, 11:03 AM
For concealability I've found this holster to be excellant for J-Frames. It can tend to stick to the gun on the draw however.

http://www.donhume.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_5&products_id=31

rainbowbob
May 14, 2010, 03:09 PM
D&J has 'em

Unfortunately, those banana grips are new Cocobolo, Kim Ahrends - not original S&W.


The best I've found is made by Mika.

I agree!


It can tend to stick to the gun on the draw however.

I don't understand why you would suggest a holster that sticks to the gun when you draw?

harmon rabb
May 14, 2010, 09:06 PM
when i'm going to pocket carry, and need to ensure that nobody can tell there's anything in my pocket, i carry my LCP. infinitely easier than my j-frame to pocket carry.

hell, i can pocket carry my glock 27 in most pants that will fit my j-frame... and, uh.. 10 rounds of .40 vs. 5 rounds of .38spl.. that's kind of a no-brainer.

as such, my j-frame sits in my safe, unloved, most of the time.

NMGonzo
May 14, 2010, 10:27 PM
http://www.uncle-mikes.com/images/inside_pocket_holster.jpg

I had the "size 3" for my taurus 605

I had also to pick the type of slacks.

With jeans, only carpenter jeans worked.

With cargo pants I can conceal bigger guns ... in the cargo pockets.

JoeShmoe
May 15, 2010, 10:14 AM
Unfortunately, those banana grips are new Cocobolo, Kim Ahrends - not original S&W.




I agree!




I don't understand why you would suggest a holster that sticks to the gun when you draw?
I didn't "suggest" the holster. I commented on it's good and bad points.

rainbowbob
May 15, 2010, 03:03 PM
I didn't "suggest" the holster.

I guess I was thrown off by the "excellent for J-Frames" remark. After further review - I see you were referring only to its concealability.

For me - any holster that fits a j-frame and goes into a pocket is going to pretty excellent concealment. The primary test is whether or not the holster comes out of the pocket on the draw.

toivo
May 15, 2010, 03:12 PM
Go back to your P32. ;)

wriggly
May 15, 2010, 05:31 PM
Might consider an ankle holster. Pull your sock up over it if you go that way. It helps to be flexible, too. I used 'em for years, but less so now days. They are very good in the car, etc., or if you are fairly young and can still move good.
Just curious......are you a LEO?

JoeShmoe
May 15, 2010, 09:57 PM
I guess I was thrown off by the "excellent for J-Frames" remark. After further review - I see you were referring only to its concealability.

For me - any holster that fits a j-frame and goes into a pocket is going to pretty excellent concealment. The primary test is whether or not the holster comes out of the pocket on the draw.
Well I got a Mika roundcut for my 340PD, but I don't really like it. As someone on the M&P 340 thread said, it's kinda like putting your gun in a trumpet. It holds the pocket open, and exposes the grip of the gun. That Don Hume holster stays nice and flat in the pocket, and does a good job of breaking up the outline of the gun, but as I said it does have a tendancy to stick. Not always, but sometimes. With some practice of dragging the gun back on the draw, the hook on the holster would keep that from happening.

OldCavSoldier
May 15, 2010, 11:55 PM
Try an ankle holster or a belly band holster over your t-shirt if you cannot find a pants holster. Both work for me when I cannot use my cross-draw rig.

toivo
May 16, 2010, 01:51 AM
With some practice of dragging the gun back on the draw, the hook on the holster would keep that from happening.

That's the way they are meant to be used. Draw the gun out with a curving motion, so that the barrel ends up parallel to the ground, and then pull straight back. The hooked part on the holster will catch on the back edge of your pocket and hang there while the gun comes out. Practice at home with the gun unloaded. :uhoh:

smallbore
May 16, 2010, 03:27 PM
I daily carry my S&W 642 in an Uncle Mike's pocket holster.

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