[Moparmike]

Title says it all. I was reading Black92LX's ASP thread when it occured to me that in my state an ASP is a weapon, and a concealed weapon when concealed. Treated similar to a firearm in that instance.

So, anyone know if you can carry a club or baton when CCW-licensed?

Mods, I would appreciate this thread staying in General for a more public view. Non-firearm weapons doesnt see alot of traffic comparitively. Thanks.

[Greg L]

Depends on the state.

Here in KY our CCW is actually a CCDW (Concealed Carry Deadly Weapon). Essentially if we can get it under our shirt we can carry whatever we want to (if you are big enough to get the crew served weapon and ammo bearer under your jacket & keep it concealed then you have no legal problems :D ).

It makes it very nice to not have to worry about if the knife you dropped in your pocket is 1/16" too long when you also have 11 rounds (& the means to launch them) of .45 on your hip ;)

Greg

[Dave Markowitz]

As Greg noted, this varies according to state. E.g., here in PA it's a "License to Carry Firearms." So, it would not allow me to carry an ASP. Go figure.

[Hkmp5sd]

In Florida, you can carry any weapon you desire except a machinegun.

[sm]

Mike you may NOT carry a ASP In Arkansas even with a resident CHL.
See act 419 , AR Leg.
Don't have link handy-sorry.

One may carry ASP such as LEO and those persons whom have been trained and so licensed by the state of AR such as Security Guards. Amoured Car Guards , Private Investigator. I don't recall the training /testing req's. One may have to gain permisson / request of employer whom will have the liability insurance for the individual.

My info is not handy, the ARKLEG should clarify with a search.

HTH

[sm]

HK
I really like the Fl law best. Hagler Act is soooo much better.
Got the non-res Fl myself.
bunch of folks here in AR have non-res FL only... instead of resident AR permit, they do the the FL...for one it ain't flagged on DL like the AR one.:)

[greg700]

Here in North Carolina, we have a CCH, not a CCW. We are only allowed to carry handguns concealed. ASP batons were specifically talked about in my CCH class and I was told that they are definitely illegal, even though they may allow you to beat someone instead of shooting them. Go figure

[Moparmike]

I was also thinking about getting an ASP with my CCW because it would make me feel better about safety on campus, yet hopefully never be needed. Guns are strictly verboten, but other implements of destruction arent mentioned AFAIK.

[Standing Wolf]

I have a Permit to Carry Concealed Hand Guns, which doesn't even cover pocket knives, although outside Denver, I can't imagine anyone in Colorado would ever bother to measure a knife blade.

[md2lgyk]

In West Virginia the permit is called a "Concealed Pistol/Revolver License." Obviously wouldn't cover ASPs or anything else.

[Betty]

TN's CCW is actually an HCP - "Handgun Carry Permit," so you have to get a separate permit for an ASP.

http://www.dd-b.net/~betty/misc%20pics/permits.jpg

[pytron]

WA state is CHL - Concealed Handgun License. So ASPs aren't covered.

[The Reaper]

Virginia specifically prohibits carrying batons and the like. It is on the list of items in the VA Code. We have a CHP not a CCW. However it is perfectly legal to carry one not concealed.

[Daniel T]

Well, Texas' permit is called a Concealed Handgun License. However, what it actually leaglly does is make you immune to certain parts of the Penal Code (the concealed weapon parts), with some restrictions. Theoretically, it would allow you to carry an ASP, or club, or even a sword, as long as it was concealed.

I don't think I'm going to bother testing it, but you probably would be able to carry an ASP.

[Country Boy]

In North Dakota, the CWP allows you to carry other "defensive tools" such as ASP or even throwing stars. The person that gaveme my test told me that "defensive tools" other than handguns must be listed out. So, if I wanted to carry an ASP, a large knife, and a martial arts "tool", they would have to be listed individually on the permit.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Well, it's a felony here in Cali, which kind of sucks as I like having 'level of force' options, besides OC spray.

Oh and here it's a 'License to Carry Concealed Pistol, Revolver, or Other Firearm Within the State of California'... 'Other Firearm' being the interesting passage. Concealed self-defense shotgun anyone?

[El Tejon]

Indiana, carry an ASP or any weapon you so desire, including machine guns. Need a license for pistol(s), aka "the little pink card", only.

[Master Blaster]

In Delaware it a CCDW Concealed Carry of a Deadly weapon, Gun, Knife, club, all are covered.

But a throwing star sherikun is an illegal destructive device under Delaware law!!!!!!, POLICE officers cant carry one!!!!!!!!!

Not that anyone would want to.

So you mall ninjas with a permit, none of those sherikuns for you, after all they will cut an engine block in half and Knock satillites out of orbit.:rolleyes:

[powderific]

In South Dakota, no permit is necessary to carry batons, short swords, etc. concealed. Thus, the concealed pistol permit only covers pistols.

[Fly320s]

Betty,

How old is that TN HCP? Mine looks like the TN driver's license.

Also, where did you get the training/certification for the baton?

And finally, what did you have to do to be legal to carry the baton?

[Betty]

I jusy got my HCP renewed, and apparently they redesigned it. :barf: Peach and red! I liked the discreet older version that looked like the driver's license.

I took the official ASP course with a cop down in Pulaski who does a little ASP training on the side. It was a fantastic class that covered weapon retention, stacking multiple opponents, etc. It lasted several hours and was a great learning experience and used a lot of physical energy. You learn how scary it is to have two people coming at you at once. :eek: Thank goodness I carry a gun!

The disappointing second baton class at APPS in Nashville:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64642&highlight=ASP

There was no background check or anything like that - you pay your fee, learn the legal side in the classroom, take the written test, learn the baton skills, and then you are tested on what you learned. IN TN you have to have an HCP before you can get a baton permit. :rolleyes:

[Moparmike]

Licensed to carry an ASP? My lord. They're licensing sticks now.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Every time I discover or read about certain laws, I want to scream. Who knew it had gotten this bad?:uhoh: :scrutiny: :uhoh:

Well, thanks for letting me in on just how retarded our penal code has become. I think I will look into getting licensed for a stick.

[gunsmith]

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[Justin]

Since this thread deals with the legalities of carrying an ASP I'm going to move this one over to the L&P forum.

[rayra]

CA says 'no ASP for thee' (unless you are a LEO). They lump them in with other mass-murdering EEEEvil devices like butterfly knives and nunchucks.

[Porter Rockwell]

What in the heck does "ASP" stand for?
If I were to write an Order Of Weapons Thesis the ASP would be more than several rungs on the ladder below a simple ball peen hammer. Why not step several rungs above the ASP and avoid LEO attention with a hickory cane and a few short hours of training?
Trap with one end and whack with both ends Jo-Staff style.

[CB900F]

MoParMike;

Of course, that would depend upon just exactly which ASP you were talking about. One type is even a firearm. ASP conversion's of the S&W model 39.

But then, that's history.

900F

[Barbara]

Michan's permit is a CPL only. At least one of our cities bans knives completely and concealed carry of a knife deemed to be a weapon is illegal even with permit. OC spray, ASP, etc. are all illegal to carry concealed.

Our options are to fist fight or shoot. Nothing in between. It needs to be addressed.

[carpettbaggerr]

ASP = Armament Systems and Procedures. Legality of the batons varies from state to state. Get a Maglite. The 6C cell light is very close in size to the 21 inch ASP. A little harder to carry, but just as effective in action. And it's legal everywhere. ( Well, everywhere but Detroit -- and that doesn't count)

[Barbara]

Those little leatherette handles you can buy at Lowes for Maglites are pretty handy, too, and prevent slipping.

[glirette]

Demise - I agree with you on how the penal code reads regarding being able to carry an ASP in Texas if you also have your Handgun and CHL on you, but very few people including DPS agree on this. I would like to see a test case on this.

[Daniel T]

glirette, that's odd. I didn't know what DPS' position on it was, but the law reads extremely, almost remarkably, clearly. Also, I was told by an APD officer that a CHL would allow the carry of an ASP, but that doesn't mean much. It would be interesting to see a test case, but I ain't volunteering. :)