"Pistol/Handgun/Firearm" vs "Weapon"


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Jumping Frog
March 5, 2010, 09:13 PM
Here is a topic: I've noticed for years that there is a fundamental difference between a civilian pro-2A guy and an ex-military pro-2A guy.

Veterans usually refer to their firearm as their "weapon". Enough encounters with a drill sergeant after calling a rifle your "gun" seems to drill that into place pretty quickly.

Most civilians I know will refer to it as their "rifle", or their "handgun", or their "firearm", but definitely object to the use of the word "weapon".

Instead of trying to come up with a bad explanation of my own, I am interested in hearing everyone's opinion. Why?

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THE_POPE
March 5, 2010, 09:21 PM
I will try to respond in an intelligent way....

For some reason, as I am not L/E, or military of back-ground, I find myself thinking the term "gun " gives me the feeling that I am using a crude term, I try not to use it, but use the term "firearm" instead, just seems more polite, to me.

I don't particularly object to the "gun" moniker for a firearm, I guess it simply appears to me that " gun-nut " comes to mind when I use it.

My opinion, nothing else.

Ime Out....fer shure...:cool:

danprkr
March 5, 2010, 09:39 PM
I know in TX it's a Concealed Handgun License. I think it has to do with the legal definition that the law gives it. You can carry a concealed handgun, but not any other concealed weapon. For instance a knife that is over X ( where X = some unremembered lengthy ) long. I think that may be part of it. At least in my case it was just a way to get into a habit of referring to it by the proper in my state legal term so that I wouldn't have some LEO going bananas. Turns out it was probably a waste of time. Most LEOs that I've interacted with on the subject fall into one of two categories. Either they know the law, and don't care about the terminology I use, or don't know the law well enough to not go bananas regardless of the terms used.

Ragnar Danneskjold
March 5, 2010, 09:42 PM
I am in the military, and I also dislike the word "gun". Tough I don't mind firearm, handgun, rifle, pistol, etc. THE POPE had it right when he said "gun" just sounds crude. I would also and "piece" and "packing heat" to the list of terms that just sound bad.

figment
March 5, 2010, 09:43 PM
guns are those things mounted to the decks of ships that lob 1k lbs +miles downrange

Spencer5883
March 5, 2010, 09:44 PM
I am the same as Pope. I rarely use the term gun. Sometimes I use the word "unit" or "rig" or "piece" in a kind of code at school or in public when talking to my friends and there are unknown (whether Pro or Anti) people near by.

I even refer to my non hunting guns as weapons and I never have or most likely will join the military. Could be from listening to my uncle though, he's been in the Army for most of his life.

Wile E Coyote
March 5, 2010, 09:48 PM
It is perfectly acceptable to call a rifle a rifle in the armed forces. In my time 'in', it was even okay to call an m60 a gun since as you can guess, it is a 'machine gun'. Most folks however, play it safe and called them all weapons, having experienced the wrath you already noted. Weapon seems to imply a more professional application of the firearm. To a military member, gun sounded too much like yer pappy's old scattergun slung over yer shoulder.

Edit: Technically Figment has it right about the proper use of 'gun'. Ships have guns.

EddieNFL
March 5, 2010, 09:48 PM
NRA goes to great lengths to not use the term weapon. They emphasize using gun, firearm, pistol, etc., in their training and caution, "Never use the term weapon."

allank
March 5, 2010, 09:49 PM
I once read somewhere that it is a firearm until you need to use it against someone at which point it becomes a weapon.

miamiboy
March 5, 2010, 10:03 PM
I would also and "piece" and "packing heat" to the list of terms that just sound bad.

and that's why local media looooves to use it. *sigh*

mljdeckard
March 5, 2010, 10:08 PM
I THINK, that in the military, there is a culture and presumption of stupidity. For many generations, the military was a repository for people who couldn't work anywhere else, sometimes literally right out of prison into the army. During my first stretch, there were still some old guys who were obviously going through the motions and coasting to retirement who could barely read. Because of this, army culture was intended to take men who were otherwise unable to even fundamentally take care of themselves and train them to live. How to dress, hygiene, courtesy, technical language. (Those of us in the army have seen 'technical' vocabulary that doesn't exist anywhere else.) It's not so much being correct as 'making stuff up'. But if it comes from your leadership and the training command, it is correct. Period. They technicalize the language of war to prove that they aren't cavemen.

I took a tactical rifle class in between range sessions a couple of years ago from an SF E-7 with all the resume checkmarks. We were doing rifle drills, he was yelling at some of my soldiers; "Keep your gun up when your head is up!" or something to that effect, and one of the E-6s joked to him; "You mean RIFLE, don't you?" He pulled us around during the break and explained; "You people don't have the mental capacity to have me using all of your RAM to worry about saying the correct words. I want you doing the correct ACTIONS. Rifle, gun, clip, magazine, whatever. When you are fighting, and your buddy yells he needs a clip, are you going to hold it and tease him until he says magazine? I could care less how you say it, I am concerned about how you DO IT."

I have a mind that likes to file things under correctness and technical areas, but I have grown to realize that there is a difference between someone who knows how to speak correctly and technically when the forum calls for it, and someone who doesn't understand the distinctions at all. I can hang with my redneck buddies I grew up with and let the technical specs slide, but if I were writing a report or giving a class, I would speak correctly.

Curator
March 5, 2010, 10:36 PM
X-military myself but I have learned to use the "correct" word when discribing a sporting firearm: rifle, pistol, shotgun, revolver, etc. This is to denote their use in shooting sports as a piece of sporting equipment, distinct from their use as a "weapon" for self defense or military use. A baseball bat or golf club can be used as a weapon but is ordinarily used as sporting equipment. Most firearms are used for sporting purposes as well. If you attend an NRA Basic Firearms course you will not hear firearms referred to as "weapons" because the only uses they will be demonstrating are their use in shooting sports. In the NRA Personal protection classes they demonstrate firearms used as weapons and referr to them in that way.

The Bushmaster
March 5, 2010, 11:10 PM
Pistol = Semi-auto or general term used for all handguns (corrupted).
Handgun = General term for all hand held firearms
Firearm = General term used for all small arms hand held and shoulder held.
Revolver = Any and all wheel guns.
Rifle = Any Shoulder held firearm.
Gun or Guns. General term used for all fire arms...Ship mounted and shore batteries. Also relates to Shotguns = Shoulder held firearms that fire a number of projectiles at once. Known as "scatter guns"

tactikel
March 5, 2010, 11:18 PM
A weapon is used to inflict harm on a human. A firearm can be used to target shoot or hunt game. I have no desire to harm anyone- love to shoot targets or game. That being said I'll "do what I have to do" if pressed.

Jumping Frog
March 5, 2010, 11:36 PM
NRA goes to great lengths to not use the term weapon. They emphasize using gun, firearm, pistol, etc., in their training and caution, "Never use the term weapon."

I totally get it from the military perspective, calling it a weapon. I am more interested in the thought process that goes into avoiding the term "weapon", as demonstrated by NRA training.

wishin
March 5, 2010, 11:38 PM
There was a time when I would not use the word "gun" without "grease" in front of it. These days, after 40 years of post military "de-brainwashing", I use whatever word comes to mind.

franconialocal
March 5, 2010, 11:39 PM
Generally in New Hampshire as far as the laws are concerned a weapon is not just a firearm, but blackjacks, switchblades, brass knuckles, swords, sword-canes, and on and on.....

So to designate what type of weapon it is (e.g. firearm, pistol, rifle, etc.) is just generally more accurate.

NMGonzo
March 5, 2010, 11:43 PM
pea shooter

benEzra
March 6, 2010, 12:17 AM
I don't think I particularly avoid the term "weapon" (and I think avoiding it like the plague is rather silly), but I do think that "weapon" is a far more general term than "firearm". My pepper spray is a weapon; so is a knife used defensively (or any other edged weapon), impact weapons, and so on.

"Firearm" has a much more specific meaning, and in most civilian contexts, will be preferable to "weapon" only because it is more specific, not because I feel "weapon" is somehow distasteful (I don't).

I don't use the term "gun" as a noun all that often, partly because it reminds me too much of clueless media/entertainment usage and sounds sloppy.

-eaux-
March 6, 2010, 12:26 AM
this is my rifle, this is my gun. this is for fighting, this is for fun.:neener:

a gun is a huge long smooth-bore cannon that lobs shells over the horizon from the deck of a warship.
a gun is that .30 caliber high-velocity rifled-barreled longarm that i just shot that deer with.
a gun is that 12 gauge i just shot those doves/squirrels/ducks with.
a gun is that single-action .22lr revolver i just shot those coke cans with.
a gun is that red ryder my boy just shot the same can with.

words are words.
to argue denotation vs. connotation is like trying to see who can hold their breath the longest to see who passes out first.

Trebor
March 6, 2010, 01:14 AM
I totally get it from the military perspective, calling it a weapon. I am more interested in the thought process that goes into avoiding the term "weapon", as demonstrated by NRA training.

I don't speak for the NRA, but this is my understaning of the issue after going through NRA instructor training a few years back.

The NRA stresses to avoid the term "weapon" in a civilian setting because of the perceived negative conotation associated with the word "weapon."

The NRA wants to present as positive an image of firearms and firearms ownership as possible and believes (rightly or wrongly) that using the term "weapon" has negative conotations.

By using the words, "firearm," "handgun", "pistol," "revolver," "rifle", "gun," etc., the NRA believes this stresses the normal, recreational, "non people killing" (my words) attributes of guns instead of stressing the "people killing" (my words again) aspects of firearms.

The NRA also points out that while any firearm can be pressed into service as a weapon if need, including such things as specialized .22 target pistols, many firearms are made with a different primary purpose, such as target shooting, competition, etc, and the use of "weapon" on those instances carries unneeded negative associations.

So, while any firearm can be used as a "weapon", most firearms are not made for that intended use, and should not be refered to as such in normal conversation. Note the NRA is less strict on this terminology issue in their Police training programs.

It comes down to what the NRA sees as a PR issue. You can agree or disagree, but you should at least be able to understand their reasoning.

thorn-
March 6, 2010, 01:37 AM
I don't find the term "weapon" to have a negative connotation. I own several weapons, and have learned to use them so that I can defend myself. It's a word with some implied strength and/or force, but I don't find those words to be that negative either. It's all about context.

But when speaking of a particular weapon, "rifle" and "handgun" are certainly more descriptive. I do smirk a bit when people discuss their gun being a "tool", however... it's amusingly Politically Correct, whether intended or not.

thorn

Patriotme
March 6, 2010, 02:17 AM
I use all of the terms. They all apply.

bds
March 6, 2010, 02:26 AM
I tell people I have very expensive hole punchers (each hole costs me 10-30 cents depending on caliber/bullet).

wgaynor
March 6, 2010, 03:07 AM
Ex Military here. I call them pretty much anything. As long as it goes bang when I pull the trigger, I don't care what it's called.

Bhamrichard
March 6, 2010, 03:13 AM
I'm in the deep south, I just call it a "Farearhm".. :neener:

Sunray
March 6, 2010, 03:21 AM
"...Veterans usually refer to their firearm as their "weapon"..." It's all about training and politics. The troopies call it a weapon because that's what it is. If a civilian hunter says 'weapon', the anti-hunting media jumps on it.

scythefwd
March 6, 2010, 03:51 AM
I am ex military. Yes, EX, not former. I left eagerly, but on good terms.

Anyways, I never think of my guns/firearms as "weapons". My handguns, in general get referred to as either their caliber since I only own one of each or by the maker... rossi, ruger, FEG, etc.

My rifles get referred to by maker or caliber as well. My sks and Garand get called exactly that. My muzzle loader gets called black powder gun (though it is rifled) or muzzleloader. Everything else pretty much gets referred to caliber except the shotgun ... which is called the shotgun. The only weapons I own are from my martial arts days.

navyretired 1
March 6, 2010, 05:00 AM
The term weapon is something that used to be an absolute in the milatary. I've noticed that drill sergants don't demand that term much anymore. When writting I just automatically think and then write weapon.
Some retired military don't consider themselves X-anything, Once a professional military always a military man.
The only "guns" I ever used was a beautiful pair of Browning M-2, 50 caliber machine guns on the fordeck of a 31ft PBR Mkl or the 33ft PBR Mkll River Patrol Boats. Actually thats not quite correct as the both guns fed from the center so the right hand gun was a M-2 but left hand gun was called an M-284(or something like that) and it fed from the right side or between the two guns.

Elvishead
March 6, 2010, 05:30 AM
Here is a topic: I've noticed for years that there is a fundamental difference between a civilian pro-2A guy and an ex-military pro-2A guy.

Who cares? Unreal!

22-rimfire
March 6, 2010, 06:27 AM
My opinion is that the military use the term "weapon" as their generic term because they are in the people killing business. Civilian police are mostly ex-military who are comfortable with the "weapon" term and again their firearm is used for people primarily. The gun control advocates frequently refer to firearms as "weapons" because of the military and police association. Many would like to see only military or police carry firearms.

I use the terms depending on the situation as to whether or not I want to be generic or not.

shockwave
March 6, 2010, 07:31 AM
The NRA perspective on the term "weapon" is quite a surprise - I didn't think they were that sensitive to linguistic framing. No particular comments from me on any of the above, except that in my searches for firearms, I notice that some websites categorize automatic handguns as "pistols" vs "revolvers." Yet, when I normally use the term "pistol," I'm usually thinking of a revolver. So I think that differentiation is simply a matter of convenience for the vendors in question.

Historically, our ancestors used firearms as weapons - for killing game and marauding savages, and invading armies. Today, in the Chicago case, we see their use as weapons again stressed. So the NRA can promote wholesome family values in their terminology, but the reality is that guns have always been needed as weapons and still are. That's what CCW is all about.

mcdonl
March 6, 2010, 09:43 AM
I do not know how some people get the impression people around here are "stiff" shirts.

For crying out loud.... we are in the

GENERAL GUN SECTION of THR ... lol

Anyone know any good firearmssmiths?

Well, off to the LFS (Local Firearm Shop) lol

People are funny... lol

cambeul41
March 6, 2010, 10:54 AM
I sometimes say, "defensive noise maker." If asked what I mean, I specify twelve noises in the magazine and one in the chamber. Most people understand then.

wishin
March 6, 2010, 11:16 AM
I'm in the deep south, I just call it a "Farearhm".. :neener:
LOL. Who'da thunk it!

buck460XVR
March 6, 2010, 11:26 AM
I do not know how some people get the impression people around here are "stiff" shirts.

For crying out loud.... we are in the

GENERAL GUN SECTION of THR ... lol

Anyone know any good firearmssmiths?

Well, off to the LFS (Local Firearm Shop) lol

People are funny... lol


now that's funny!

jnyork
March 6, 2010, 12:00 PM
I have seen guys dang near come to blows over this. Same as "clip" vs. "magazine". Hilarious

Kwanger
March 6, 2010, 12:06 PM
I THINK, that in the military, there is a culture and presumption of stupidity. For many generations, the military was a repository for people who couldn't work anywhere else, sometimes literally right out of prison into the army. During my first stretch, there were still some old guys who were obviously going through the motions and coasting to retirement who could barely read. Because of this, army culture was intended to take men who were otherwise unable to even fundamentally take care of themselves and train them to live. How to dress, hygiene, courtesy, technical language. (Those of us in the army have seen 'technical' vocabulary that doesn't exist anywhere else.) It's not so much being correct as 'making stuff up'. But if it comes from your leadership and the training command, it is correct. Period. They technicalize the language of war to prove that they aren't cavemen.

I took a tactical rifle class in between range sessions a couple of years ago from an SF E-7 with all the resume checkmarks. We were doing rifle drills, he was yelling at some of my soldiers; "Keep your gun up when your head is up!" or something to that effect, and one of the E-6s joked to him; "You mean RIFLE, don't you?" He pulled us around during the break and explained; "You people don't have the mental capacity to have me using all of your RAM to worry about saying the correct words. I want you doing the correct ACTIONS. Rifle, gun, clip, magazine, whatever. When you are fighting, and your buddy yells he needs a clip, are you going to hold it and tease him until he says magazine? I could care less how you say it, I am concerned about how you DO IT."

I have a mind that likes to file things under correctness and technical areas, but I have grown to realize that there is a difference between someone who knows how to speak correctly and technically when the forum calls for it, and someone who doesn't understand the distinctions at all. I can hang with my redneck buddies I grew up with and let the technical specs slide, but if I were writing a report or giving a class, I would speak correctly.
Spot on. I'm ex army, and this statement just about nails it for me.

bds
March 6, 2010, 04:38 PM
I have grown to realize that there is a difference between someone who knows how to speak correctly and technically when the forum calls for it, and someone who doesn't understand the distinctions at all.

We are all among gun/weapon advocate friends, right? :D

Let's not show divisiveness to our liberal anti-gun/weapon opponents - it will give 'em more to ponder and use against us.

duns
March 6, 2010, 07:09 PM
Weapon, handgun, rifle, firearm, etc all have slightly different meanings and I will use all these words in context. I often say gun which I see as an abbreviation for handgun, shotgun, machine gun or anything else ending in gun.

Ruggles
March 7, 2010, 01:56 AM
I use all of the terms. They all apply.

True.

JoeSlomo
March 7, 2010, 04:34 AM
Military firearms are used as weapons. Most don't "target shoot", and they don't hunt to provide game.

In the civilian sector, firearms are used predominantly for purposes other than taking a human life outside of necessity to complete a mission.

The overwhelming majority of shotguns take birds.

The overwhelming majority of rifles take larger game.

The overwhelming majority of pistols shoot targets.

Statistically speaking, it is a fluke when firearms in the civilian sector are used against humans. I fired approx 6000 rounds of handgun ammo during the last season I could compete, and not once did I engage, or need to engage, a human.

A kitchen knife can also be used to stab a human, however, that doesn't necessarily make it a "weapon".

rocky branch
March 7, 2010, 05:05 AM
"You mean RIFLE, don't you?" He pulled us around during the break and explained; "You people don't have the mental capacity to have me using all of your RAM to worry about saying the correct words. I want you doing the correct ACTIONS. Rifle, gun, clip, magazine, whatever. When you are fighting, and your buddy yells he needs a clip, are you going to hold it and tease him until he says magazine? I could care less how you say it, I am concerned about how you DO IT."

Hah!
Former SF, 66-70-that guy sounds like the real deal to me.

I rarely say weapon as that designates a tool I don't use anymore professionally.
I do use "piece" for something that traditionally is a weapon or used as such in employment.
Other than that, it's rifle, pistol, whatever.
I just don't use "gun."
I think guns have wheels or boats under them.

I think telling somebody what they ought to say is a waste of oxygen and an infringement of free speech.
Personally, I am proud of my service.
I do tend to measure a man in terms of that.

Free country.

bracer
March 7, 2010, 01:03 PM
Why back when I was in the army I dont recall using the word weapon--what was said and shown ( this is your rifle, this is your gun one is for shooting the other is for fun) but I use the names rifle, shot gun, revolver,and pistol when talking about my firearms.

Fleetman
March 7, 2010, 01:57 PM
I have a good friend....intelligent, a good businessman, and owns a very impressive collection of FIREARMS. However, and this grates me to no end, he insists on calling them "bang bang's".

ClayInTX
March 7, 2010, 09:32 PM
My CBB (Carry Bang Bang) is an LCR.

I was told that the word weapon is food for lawyers, and to call my Carry Bang Bang a handgun (or a Bang Bang, I suppose).

I was also told to never call my other Bang Bangs a weapon, either.

That olí Debil jusí wonít lemme alone. :D

DocCas
March 8, 2010, 10:02 AM
My grandson plays baseball. He uses a baseball bat to hit the ball. A baseball bat can also be used to hit people in the head, but he doen't call his baseball bat a "weapon" when playing baseball any more than I call my handguns "weapons" when at the pistol range. :)

Legionnaire
March 8, 2010, 11:46 AM
Firearm, rifle, pistol, revolver, handgun, weapon ... I use them all regularly. However, there are differences in meaning that should be considered. From Dictionary.com:
firearm -noun a small arms weapon, as a rifle or pistol, from which a projectile is fired by gunpowder.
This defines "firearm" as a subclass of "weapon," which is unfortunate because firearms are not all used as weapons. I consider them tools that may be used as weapons.
weapon -noun any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.
This defines "weapon" in terms of its use. And it is in this sense that the military and or law enforcement use the word. To them, a firearm is intended for either attack or defense.

I was a hunter safety instructor for many years. Our policy was to teach youngsters to use the term "firearm," or the more precise term (rifle, pistol, revolver, shotgun) appropriate to the firearm in question. In this context, we wanted young people to learn that there were appropriate uses for firearms that did not entail "attack" or "defense." I'm a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, and have little use for the "sporting use" criterion. But the best way to win young minds is to get them interested in firearms as tools for hunting and target shooting. Once they become shooters, they'll be much more easier to win to the general cause.

As one whose life and profession is all about words, vocabulary matters. And it needs to fit your message and your audience. So among fellow enthusiasts, I don't really give a rip what you call your stuff (although I'm as ready as any to ridicule those who should know better calling a "magazine" a "clip"). I regularly refer to my CCW as a "weapon." But I generally try to use the term "firearm" as it doesn't necessarily connote the intention of using the tool against another human being.

My two cents ... worth what you paid for it.

Madcap_Magician
March 8, 2010, 11:50 AM
I heard somewhere that a "gun" was anything up to 20mm in bore diameter, whereas "cannon" applied to anything above that. It was what I considered a reputable source at the time, but I don't remember what it was.

Anyway, having been through the drill sergeant thing, I have weapons. Specifically, they are handguns. More specifically, they are pistols. I do not object to anyone calling firearms anything as long as it is factually correct.

huntsman
March 8, 2010, 12:23 PM
when I took my CCW class the instructor made you throw a quarter into a cup every time you used the weapon word, he said it was too vague of a term and he does this because a LEO training course he attended made them throw a buck in when they used weapon to describe a firearm.

MachIVshooter
March 8, 2010, 12:24 PM
I have a mind that likes to file things under correctness and technical areas, but I have grown to realize that there is a difference between someone who knows how to speak correctly and technically when the forum calls for it, and someone who doesn't understand the distinctions at all. I can hang with my redneck buddies I grew up with and let the technical specs slide, but if I were writing a report or giving a class, I would speak correctly.

This is key. Use words appropriate for the forum/audience. I very seldom speak in the same manner I write, and I write less formally here than I would if I were composing a treatise.

Gun is a universally recognized term for just about anything that propels a projectile down a tube, like motor vehicle refers to any motorized carriage, whether it be a passenger car, light truck or semi tractor. Firearm or small arm refers to a subcategory, the way passenger car does, but is still less specific than a particular type or model. That doesn't make using these terms wrong or make the user stupid.

mcdonl
March 8, 2010, 02:22 PM
Well, this debate is settled... they have made a holliday out of it...

National Gun Day Louisville,KY. Feb. 20-21 - http://www.nationalgunday.com/

d2wing
March 8, 2010, 04:03 PM
guns are those things mounted to the decks of ships that lob 1k lbs +miles downrange
+1 figment. But you know when I say gun, I mean firearm.

ChaoSS
March 8, 2010, 05:11 PM
Weapon is simultaneously vague and unencompassing. A knife is a weapon. A gun is a weapon. However, a gun is more than a weapon. The military probably uses the term because that's what they use guns for. They don't use them for target shooting, except to improve their ability to use them to kill people. They don't use them as display pieces, they don't use them to get food, they use them to kill people.

DKeener
March 8, 2010, 06:44 PM
Weapons are for defense or offense.
Firearms are tools used in shooting games.

You wouldn't call a baseball bat a "club", would you?

Don't insult me by calling my engraved, cased, custom fitted, over/under skeet shotgun a "weapon" Its never been used to threaten or harm anyone and most likely won't ever be.

Ragnar Danneskjold
March 8, 2010, 06:57 PM
I don't own any firearms that I don't intend to either use as a weapon against other people, or more likely to train to use as a weapon against other people. That's my job, and that's why I own firearms. They are weapons to me.

22-rimfire
March 8, 2010, 07:37 PM
Mr. President, they are employing their weapon.... (Movie-Independance Day)

Drop your weapon!

So size doesn't matter. Weapon is a pretty vague term, but in my opinion is often used by anti-2A folks to paint their version of the picture.

huntsman
March 8, 2010, 07:54 PM
Weapons are for defense or offense.
Firearms are tools used in shooting games.

You wouldn't call a baseball bat a "club", would you?

Don't insult me by calling my engraved, cased, custom fitted, over/under skeet shotgun a "weapon" Its never been used to threaten or harm anyone and most likely won't ever be.
but an AR15 could be called a firearm.

KBintheSLC
March 8, 2010, 08:44 PM
It is most certainly a "weapon"... and I am not a vet, just a civilian. Nothing bugs me more than beating around the political correctness bush and sugar-coating the 2A... such as "sporting use" and what not. The 2A refers to "arms" aka "weapons"... not tools for hunting or target practice. All of my guns are "weapons" first and foremost... some of them also work for hunting and target practice.

Hatterasguy
March 8, 2010, 09:50 PM
I prefer calling them gewehr or sturmgewehr.:D

Autolycus
March 8, 2010, 11:12 PM
I use all 3 interchangeably. I think it really does not matter what term you use as they all essentially meant the same thing.

content
March 8, 2010, 11:17 PM
Hello friends and neighbors//^+1

I will try to refrain from using the term gun. That is not one of the listed terms but it has been mentioned as crude.

Farnham
March 8, 2010, 11:59 PM
I got my squirrel gun, and my deer gun, and my zombie gun, and those are the terms I'll use when BS'ing with friends, but I'll generally use the more accurate descriptors of pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, etc when talking about them with most folks. Either to avoid the "you don't know what you're talkin about" reaction from (sensitive) gun folks, or to avoid the "OMG scary guns!" reaction from non-gun folk.

I know it's awful to use the word "gun," cause Senior Drill Instructor Gunnery Sergeant TarXXXX told me so 15 years ago, but with some audiences, who cares?

scythefwd
March 9, 2010, 01:08 AM
content - guns is an appropriate term. It is a gun if it isn't rifled... aka your shotgun.

content
March 9, 2010, 06:02 AM
Hello friends and neighbors // Yep I agree "Gun" no problem with me and my friends.

I probably do use the term more with shotguns and after reading a few Louis Lamore westerns I probably use "Gun " more often in general.


Often I use the term gun to cover multiples// gun store,gun shop,gun show, I have to stop by the house for my guns before meeting you at the range....

Here on THR I will try to be more descriptive.

mcdonl
March 9, 2010, 07:39 AM
Fagitaboutit

ChaoSS
March 9, 2010, 10:55 PM
content - guns is an appropriate term. It is a gun if it isn't rifled... aka your shotgun. I don't know where your definitions come from, but in standard parlance, a rifled gun is still a gun.

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