Gun Superstore? Why Not?


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cbrgator
March 6, 2010, 07:11 PM
Why are there no giant gun stores that make there money in volume instead of markup?

I was just shopping with my old man today because he wants a carry gun and I'm the one with all of the knowledge. We went to a couple of small stores, both of which we hate, because they ask very high prices and don't negotiate. As such, I see the same guns in there over and over and they have very little turnover. At the local gun show, some of the dealers actually take an attitude if you attempt to haggle. It would seem logical to me to slash a price 20 or 30 bucks and actually move merchandise.

I would say I won't frequent these places anymore but I don't have much of a choice, these practices seem to pervade every local shop. Online is the only alternative. So we got to thinking, how come there isn't some giant store that takes less of a markup but actually moves guns and makes money on volume?

Thoughts?

EDIT: I know a lot of us love the small shop feel and the customer service and comfort that come with that, so please don't knock my question for that. I'm just curious from a business perspective. I'm not planning on opening a shop.

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ljnowell
March 6, 2010, 07:28 PM
http://www.budsgunshop.com

Ragnar Danneskjold
March 6, 2010, 07:43 PM
There are not enough customers in a given area to warrant the cost of a large brick and mortar store. A store like Best Buy appeals to nearly everyone. A gun store appeals to a much smaller population. There for to achieve the same volume of customers as a store like Best Buy, the customers would have to travel from a much wider area to get to the store, which most are not willing to do.

It should be noted that Buds Gun Shop, from the above link, has quite a prolific online sales department, which no doubt helps offset the cost of their meatspace store.

Starship1st
March 6, 2010, 07:44 PM
Yes, Buds great.:cool:

cbrgator
March 6, 2010, 08:04 PM
I wasn't thinking of a Best Buy sized store, but definitely bigger than the strip mall shops I'm used to. Like the size of an average restaurant maybe? I don't know. Just big enough that volume is a specialty, like Buds.

It just seems to me that all of my local shops stock like 100 guns and they are all $100 more than online. If they made them all $50 more, they'd sell me so much more quickly. Why do small stores sit on their inventory and hold out for that high price? Wouldn't they do better with higher turnover?

9mmepiphany
March 6, 2010, 08:23 PM
it's because the markup on guns is too thin for them to try to make it up in volume

Texas Gun Person
March 6, 2010, 08:25 PM
Best thing we have around Fort Worth/Dallas as far as size is Cabela's and a Bass Pro. I do enjoy going to Cabela's...

cbrgator
March 6, 2010, 08:25 PM
it's because the markup on guns is too thin for them to try to make it up in volume

Then why are things so much cheaper online?

Texas Gun Person
March 6, 2010, 08:27 PM
Then why are things so much cheaper online?


Because millions of people have the internet, and can shop on a website if they want. Any store is not going to get as near as many customers as any popular website is. Internet always wins.

Crash_Test_Dhimmi
March 6, 2010, 08:30 PM
I always wanted to open a chain of stores, selling alcohol, tobacco, firearms and fireworks. I would call it ATFE.

mesinge2
March 6, 2010, 08:37 PM
There is a local shop near me that has about 1400 guns in stock and he has the highest prices in the area.

He figures if he is the only one that has a specific gun, he can charge what ever he wants. For example he has 4 mosin-nagants the cheapest one is $298.00 and long-barrel m91/30 is $380.

The problem is that he still makes a lot of money from people that know nothing about firearms.

He'll mark-up an EAA Windicator to $475 and then have the customer haggle down to $410. They think they got a deal until they find out the new price from someone else.

earlthegoat2
March 6, 2010, 08:40 PM
It should be noted that Buds Gun Shop, from the above link, has quite a prolific online sales department, which no doubt helps offset the cost of their meatspace store.

Buds does not have a "meatspace" store per say. Just as a formality they have a showroom where you can look at their used guns and such. They really are just an online store that drop ships everything.

Larry Ashcraft
March 6, 2010, 08:40 PM
it's because the markup on guns is too thin for them to try to make it up in volume
Ding, ding, we have a winner!

Liquor stores can make it on volume. One near my business sells a semi load of Bud twice a week. But, you're not going to do that type of volume in a gun store.

gym
March 6, 2010, 10:47 PM
Is Edlemans still around? They were the first ones I remember. Supermarket for guns in the 70's

mljdeckard
March 6, 2010, 10:50 PM
We have Sportsman's Warehouse here, I know a lot of guys who will go fondle guns at Cabela's, and then go to Sportsman's to buy them. They are surviving here, I understand they declared bankruptcy and closed the stores everywhere but Utah.

ljnowell
March 6, 2010, 11:08 PM
Buds does not have a "meatspace" store per say. Just as a formality they have a showroom where you can look at their used guns and such. They really are just an online store that drop ships everything.
They do dropship alot, but to say their store is a formality is BS. See following links:
http://range.budsgunshop.com/

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/bps-retail.php

oneounceload
March 6, 2010, 11:18 PM
I always wanted to open a chain of stores, selling alcohol, tobacco, firearms and fireworks. I would call it ATFE

We had a chain of drug stores where I used to live that was close - no fireworks, but add all kinds of mood scrips with booze and guns in a one-stop shop..... :D......(with never an issue)

The closest around here you'll find to a superstore is going to be along the lines of a Gander Mtn or Bass. Why don't others? Inventory carrying costs for one; no one wanting to pay a retailer the retail price for another........

cbrgator
March 6, 2010, 11:39 PM
So why aren't there more shops like Buds?

jl1966
March 6, 2010, 11:52 PM
We have a gun store in my area, sells a pile of guns, hand over fist. He guarantees the cheapest price, if you find it cheaper elsewhere, he will match it. Bought my AR there for cheaper than sportsmans warehouse, asked him how he does it. He says his whole overhead is less than their light bill. I get sick of gun shop owners trying to charge outrageous prices and crying hard times," Oh, im just barely breaking even on this stuff."

Ragnar Danneskjold
March 6, 2010, 11:58 PM
Because any other store like Buds would have to have online sales on par with buds. And competition is cruel if fair. Would the internet really be able to handle an online store like buds for every big store that opened an actual storefront? I doubt it. Because that's what they would need to do to remain viable, as Buds gets most of their sales from their online department. But that's the catch 22, if so many stores opened online shops like Buds in order to fund large brick and mortar stores, business would be divided between them, and then none would be viable.

oneounceload
March 6, 2010, 11:58 PM
I get sick of gun shop owners trying to charge outrageous prices and crying hard times," Oh, im just barely breaking even on this stuff."

If you think it is easy and a great way to get rich, then open up your own shop and give them competition. Most small stores can't buy guns for what larger ones sell them for. Most people have no issue paying regular retail prices for goods from every other type of store, but for some reason, gun folks think they should be able to get guns for not only less than retail, but basically at cost............

Ky Larry
March 7, 2010, 12:01 AM
I think the reason there aren't more stores like Bud's is because there aren't more people in the business like Bud. Sharp business man, in it for the long haul, and treats everybody fair and square. He's one of the most honest people I've ever met but you can't believe a word he says. I asked him last fall if he was going to open any more stores . He told me he was getting old and tired and Bud's Police Supply would be his last store. Then he bought a store in Richmond and is in the process of building a big new store and range in Lexington. He's an original.

LS240
March 7, 2010, 02:36 AM
My favorite local shop sells everything at a claimed $10 over cost, and seeing his prices, I believe it. I'm talking cheaper than Bud's or any online retailer for that matter, but with all the advantages of a local shop including customer service and no shipping or transfer fees. To be fair the business is also a pawn shop and used car/atv/motorcycle/rv/etc. dealer, but based purely on my own experiences going in there quite often I'd say at least 90% of his customers are there for firearms. Everybody should have a shop like this down the street.

9mmepiphany
March 7, 2010, 03:02 AM
but based purely on my own experiences going in there quite often I'd say at least 90% of his customers are there for firearms.
but are they buying or looking?

the pawn business is very profitable

they are making 30-50% on things they buy to say nothing of what they are making on short term loans

Trebor
March 7, 2010, 06:53 AM
Don't forgot that large volume buyers, like Bud's, get better prices from the distributers. That allows Bud's to lower their retail prices a bit.

But, to get that discount from the distributers, you have to buy A LOT of guns. Most smaller stores don't have the resources to tie up that much operating capital in guns. Even if they don't pay up front, they do have to pay eventually, and if the guns don't sell in their retail store, they don't have the money to pay the distributer. That's how some stores wind up going out of business.

Bud's isn't the only store doing the "online volume sales" thing, btw. But it does take a lot of capital to get started.

CajunBass
March 7, 2010, 07:18 AM
Any idea how much the inventory would cost for a deal like that? That's a lot of cash, not sitting in the bank making money for you, but sitting in a warehouse, gathering dust, and costing you money every day it sits there.

U.S.SFC_RET
March 7, 2010, 07:31 AM
I for one will do the duty of keeping a gun shop in business. As long as the prices are not rediculous and the owner attitude is good.

mcdonl
March 7, 2010, 07:36 AM
Bud's isn't the only store doing the "online volume sales" thing, btw. But it does take a lot of capital to get started.

That's for sure. Labor alone is a lot. Last time I talked to these guys they were working two shifts a day, packing and shipping orders that were taken two weeks prior. They also have a retail outlet.

Anyone know what Bud's prices are at their retail store? Curious if they are the same as online.

danprkr
March 7, 2010, 07:45 AM
That's what nice about America if you like the idea you can unharness the power of your entrepreneurial side and do it. So, open one. Just make sure you do all of your research ahead of time. Good luck.

oldfool
March 7, 2010, 08:54 AM
We have a "small" local shop that says they markup all guns only $40... (and I believe them). They have been around for >30 years, sell fishing tackle, bait, etc., so that is not their one and only revenue stream. I have bought maybe seven or eight there over the course of many years. A much newer, ''nicer" shop just a few blocks away routinely will have a same/make model at >$50 higher. That "upscale" shop handles some of the "classier/nicer" flavors".

Even so, they obviously cannot stock their shelves with Wallyworld/Lipseys prices. They pretty much do compete with good on-line prices. They are not getting rich selling guns.

it simply is all about VOLUME stock purchasing, VOLUME selling, and no small shop like that can attract enough VOLUME foot traffic in modestly sized cities to really do what a wallyworld can do.
BIG city brick-n-mortar stores would carry much higher overhead costs... and not a lot of folks in BIG cities would not "drive across town", or even know you were there unless you are a nation wide 'chain'... how it is

they used to carry a lot of S&W, Beretta, Browning... but for a long time now they do mostly Taurus, Charter, Heritage Arms, Hi-Point, stuff like that (but do generally have at least some Rugers in stock). Absent high VOLUME, quick turnover, small shop cannot pony up the cash for inventory that doesn't move fast, especial real-nice-stuff at what real-nice-cost is

You can saturate a small market demographic quicker than you might suppose, especially with the upscale stuff

which is why there is Bud's on-line

most of the "big" internet people do NOT really stock big either; they are mostly mail order houses, you know

pause and ponder how much CASH it really takes to stock up a fat inventory
say 2000 rifles, 1000 shotguns and 2000 handguns... that would be over $1.5M cash if at only >$300 a pop, more likely $2M-$3M cash outlay for inventory
"if you have to ask what it costs, you can't afford it"

sad but true

Joshua M.
March 7, 2010, 09:11 AM
That's a lot of cash, not sitting in the bank making money for you,.....ummm have you seen the interest rates lately, there is no such thing as money in the bank making money for you...unless you think $20 on $5000/ 9 months is good investment:banghead:

winknplink
March 7, 2010, 09:21 AM
So why aren't there more shops like Buds?

There are...here in the bluegrass state.:)

Lol, Bud's isn't even the biggest gun store in the state of Ky...Whittakers is...volume, volume, volume.

22-rimfire
March 7, 2010, 09:39 AM
Yes to Whittakers and they sell through the mail also.

Anyone know what Bud's prices are at their retail store?

I was told by the sales guy over the telephone if I drove to the store to buy the same gun if would cost a little more there. Toss in gas and time.... He said it was clearly cheaper to ship a gun to a local dealer and handle the paperwork there.

I bet that sales at Buds and Whittakers combined are easily a whole percentage point of the total gun sales in the country.

As far as Bud telling you his business plans, that is probaby stretching it a bit. Heck, I knew of one shop in my area that was going to build a new larger store a year before it was supposed to happen.... what happened? It didn't. They couldn't get financing. Retail stores are expensive to operate which is why the % markup on guns is so important for them and normal high volume is probably not enough without other related sales at a much higher markup.

winknplink
March 7, 2010, 09:50 AM
I bet that sales at Buds and Whittakers combined are easily a whole percentage point of the total gun sales in the country.

And I'd bet you are right.

gunfire876
March 7, 2010, 12:12 PM
The gun buisness is hard just like anything you do for a job.Whitakers is a huge store and I would say Whitakers and Buds do a little more buisness than some of you know. Buds does have an actual store. They are building a new indoor range that is going to be state of the art and have a huge retail space. All other locations will be combined to this one location with the Paris store/location is now under new ownership and still a retail store and indoor range. Hope this helps get some facts straight.

blaisenguns
March 7, 2010, 12:27 PM
[/QUOTE]So we got to thinking, how come there isn't some giant store that takes less of a markup but actually moves guns and makes money on volume?
[/QUOTE]

Funny, that is exactly what I planned to do for a career.:D

gym
March 7, 2010, 01:08 PM
Where is that store LS240? Any decent price/selection stores in South FL. I just see rip off stores for the most part. Most have no inventory and want you to order a gun without seeing it. I don't mind if it's a Glock or something I have handled before. But I would like to see a new model that I have never handled or laid eyes on, before laying 5 hundred to a thousand dollars on.

JohnBT
March 7, 2010, 03:54 PM
How big a store does it take to make the cutoff for superstore?

http://www.greentophuntfish.com/graphics/greentopteam.jpg

"2008 Winchester Ammunition National Dealer of the Year"


About 1/2 fishing and 1/2 guns, with about 4000 guns the last time I looked.

The March 2nd list of used guns is 17 pages.

www.cpostores.com/greentophuntfish/graphics/guns.pdf

John

AMBASSADOR
March 7, 2010, 04:32 PM
When I lived in Brooklyn N.Y. where there were seven or eight gun shops,my brother inlaw and I would drive thirty five miles out to Long Island.There we would shop Edlemans,The gun shop and get discounted prices compared to back home.This was during rush hour,sooo I guess the diference in price and variety of mdse was worth the trip.

GJgo
March 7, 2010, 04:35 PM
I'm pretty sure LS240 & I shop at the same place. Guys there are buying. It can easily take 20-30 minutes to get up to the counter. I wouldn't be suprised if he's one of if not the highest volume FFL in the state.

For example, I recently picked up a (new in box) S&W 610 for $650. Before that it was a NAA 22 with the holster grip (also NIB) for $208. The list goes on.

The business model works when you live in a conservative area with a lot of shooters. :D

mxl
March 7, 2010, 04:50 PM
Sort of reminds me of the corner grocery store back in the 1950's. They got gobbled up by the supermarkets who sold cheaper and made up for that in volume. The consumer came out on top in terms of price and selection even though many lamented the change. Same with the "family farm" being beaten out by the big farms that produce crops less expensively.The small, high priced gun shop is very likely becoming a dinosaur in the face of online sellers and the mega stores that can sell for less. I'm not convinced it's a bad thing.

EmGeeGeorge
March 7, 2010, 04:52 PM
I'd rather pay a little more at a smaller shop, and then if they don't have something drive 5 or 10 miles to the next one and see what they have... if there is something I must have, shop around online and order it thru a local shop... pay them the ffl fee...

I'd worry that a GunMart might put the little guys outta business, then years later go out of business itself... then its drive 50 miles to buy even ammo...

I like shops that are small to medium in size, who know me personally as a loyal customer, and are family owned to ensure continuity.

For what its worth, it seems like when a big dog becomes the only dog, he can usually do what he wants. so prices might go up once there is no competition. Greentops used list looked a little high, especially if you compare to J&G sales, SOG, etc...

wyocarp
March 7, 2010, 05:16 PM
cbrgater,

I think the best way to answer you question is to ask what gun you were in the market for? Let's start from there and ask what would be a fair amount for the dealer to make.

You need to consider that the gun might sit on the shelf for six months or longer. I just sold a Browning BLR in 308 today that I have had in my store 8 months. I had it marked down to $700 from $750. I paid $672.98 plus shipping.

So, I maybe made $20 and I have to keep the records for twenty years. But out of that $20 I have to pay the credit card fee which will be about $25, so I spent almost $700 to have a gun in my store for eight months in which I lost $5 to allow people to fondle a gun that they try to find for $10 cheaper online.

People have been able to come in and handle it, feel it, work the action, etc. for eight months. At BUD's, they pay for it and it's theirs. Go BUD's.

LS240
March 7, 2010, 05:37 PM
I'm pretty sure LS240 & I shop at the same place. Guys there are buying. It can easily take 20-30 minutes to get up to the counter. I wouldn't be suprised if he's one of if not the highest volume FFL in the state.

For example, I recently picked up a (new in box) S&W 610 for $650. Before that it was a NAA 22 with the holster grip (also NIB) for $208. The list goes on.

The business model works when you live in a conservative area with a lot of shooters. :D
Yes indeed. I live in Grand Junction as well. Jimmy's a great guy. And you think 20-30 minutes is bad, the first few times I went in there was right after the election and it took 2+ hours just to get up to the counter! As for that NAA, when did you buy it? I remember one of the last times I was in there there was somebody next to me at the counter buying one of those. I chatted with him for a moment as well. Wonder if that was you?

Anyways, for those wondering, the shop I'm talking about is in Grand Junction, Colorado. As for making more money from pawn, it's entirely possible. I'm sure the profit margins are higher considering Jimmy only makes $10 per gun. I talked to his son when I was at the last gun show and he said his Dad sells guns more as a hobby than as a business. I guess he just really loves guns and loves helping people get the guns they want. From what I understand he's retired from his previous career and just keeps the shop open because he can, not because he has to. That business model probably won't work for everyone, but I'm sure glad it does for him. I feel extremely lucky to have what surely must be one of the best shops in the country only minutes away from home.

Edit: Just a couple anecdotes about price. Last April I was in there and asked if they had any Kel Tec SU16s in stock and to my surprise he brought out a new SU16C, and a PLR16, both of which were about as rare as hen's teeth at that time. The prices? $475 for the SU and $435 for the PLR. That was at least $100 cheaper than I could find them anywhere online at the time, and I still have yet to see prices that cheap. Also got my Father's Henry Survival for about $20 less than at Impact Guns.

oldfool
March 7, 2010, 06:30 PM
I'd rather pay a little more at a smaller shop, and then if they don't have something drive 5 or 10 miles to the next one and see what they have... if there is something I must have, shop around online and order it thru a local shop... pay them the ffl fee...

I'd worry that a GunMart might put the little guys outta business, then years later go out of business itself... then its drive 50 miles to buy even ammo...

I like shops that are small to medium in size, who know me personally as a loyal customer, and are family owned to ensure continuity.

For what its worth, it seems like when a big dog becomes the only dog, he can usually do what he wants. so prices might go up once there is no competition. Greentops used list looked a little high, especially if you compare to J&G sales, SOG, etc...
me too

in the last 30 years here we have had at least 9 gun shops within easy reach here, come and go... mostly go
I always look to "home" 1st, and never regretted an extra $20 or $40 for keeping it "at home"
but it never once stopped me from looking elsewhere, nor from buying elsewhere, either

the place I like best, they know me by 1st name (but call me "Mister", even though I try to discourage that).. probably because they know if I pick it up and really check it out for longer than six seconds, only one one of two things is going happen.. I am going to say "ring it up", or I am going to say "is John, the owner, in ?... I will do "X" $$$, will he ? .. and they know I expect a prompt yes or no answer, because it is a one time offer, and no feelings hurt either way, no matter the answer.. and they know I will be back, either way, looking at other stuff

they don't mind a bit if I say, "just dropped by to see if anything new on the shelf", and they let me alone to wander about and look.. never try to "pitch" me something
they also know I am about half deaf, but they don't make fun of me, or get annoyed, they just talk a little bit louder
even the young help behind the counter will wave me on over, when I walk in the door, if they just happen to have a real nice used S&W k-frame revolver come in
(maybe just because I bought 3 of the last 4 that did, heckififknow)

and if the young guy behind the counter does the hollystupid wrist-flip-snap cylinder shut, and I say "no disrespect, but you really shouldn't do that", he don't get mad at the damn senile old fool, just asks why
and if I have them look for something I have not found but want, and they find it for me, price known up front, they know I pay 100% cash up front before they order it, and they know I carry a plastic card w/ my FBI approved fingerprint on it, no transfer issues, and they know I will not keep calling to find out if it came in, they just call me when it does
and they pretty much know that when I do that, it comes in looking a lot like something you don't see just every day

you cannot buy any of that for $$$ at WallyWorld, Cabela's, Dick's, Basspro, Able Ammo, Reeds, nor even at Bud's or Collector's in Houston
Jim Supica's used-to-be-online is the only web place that I have ever been that even tried to do all that (real nice lady always answered their phone calls)

didn't stop me from buying from 'em all, though

but I still drop by that local shop 1st

PS
it's a pawn shop, too
started by an honest ex-cop, and run honest

MattTheHat
March 7, 2010, 07:07 PM
Overhead sucks:

Rent, electricity, other utilities, telephone expenses, wages, employer's tax, property tax, inventory tax, business insurance, health insurance, employee theft, customer theft, other fraud, professional fees, incoming freight charges, outgoing freight charges, catalog advertising, magazine advertising, www advertising & presence, credit card processing fees, returned check fees, cost from human mistakes (shipped the wrong item, etc.), operating equipment costs, software costs, packing material costs, and geeze, I've got to be missing a few.

As others have mentioned, there is also the issue of having competitors who are able to buy in higher volume getting better prices and other benefits meant to help offset some of the above, like co-op advertising and "performance rebates."

I've run an (unrelated to guns) specialty store for years. From comments I hear regularly, I think the average customer simply has no clue as to the extent of these costs. For instance, a guy spends $500 and makes a remark to the effect of "See, you just made $500." I never have the heart to tell the guy, "Well, actually, sir, after paying for the items you purchased and my average monthly overhead, I just made a total of 5 percent. But then you paid by credit card, which costs me 2.5%. So I actually just cleared $12.50." So, instead of outlining the reality, I just smile and say something like "And we appreciate it, thanks very much for your business."

Some months you sell more, and your average overhead goes down. Those are the good months. Unfortunately, the opposite happens in other months. I can't imagine the gun business is substantially different.


-Matt

redneck2
March 7, 2010, 07:17 PM
There is a gun superstore. It's called Wal-Mart. They have a hard time selling guns at a profit even though they're the cheapest place around.

You're currently looking at the very reason for the demise of many businesses. The internet.

oneounceload
March 7, 2010, 07:18 PM
Don't forgot that large volume buyers, like Bud's, get better prices from the distributers. That allows Bud's to lower their retail prices a bit.

Bud's drop ships a lot of their items, which means they are not laying out the cash for inventory.

Inventory carrying costs can be high. Want to sell Kimber's and get the Master Dealer pricing? Or Browning, or Beretta? Most will require you to buy a large initial order to the tune of upwards of $25,000..........A small store typically doesn't have that kind of cash. Then, as mentioned above, their is the overhead.

Around here, a decent location for retail is running around $10/SF - a 1500 SF store will then cost 15,000 right off, let alone taxes, insurances, licenses, fees, salaries, buiness loans, etc......

cbrgator
March 7, 2010, 07:36 PM
I'm the OP.

Basically, what I gather from you guys is the reason people don't do it is because of capital. If someone had like $5 million, opened a big store + internet, would that be a good idea in a good sized city?

Tully M. Pick
March 7, 2010, 07:45 PM
Bud's drop ships a lot of their items, which means they are not laying out the cash for inventory.

I've started hearing this over the last couple of months. Where did it originate?

oneounceload
March 7, 2010, 07:51 PM
There is a gun superstore. It's called Wal-Mart. They have a hard time selling guns at a profit even though they're the cheapest place around.

wally world is NOT a GUN superstore - a lot of them do not even sell guns. BASS, Cabela's and Gander are more of gun superstores than wally world. Besides, folks buying guns at wally world aren't going there to buy Kimbers, Kreighoffs, or Anschutz. They don't even want to spend the money on a Wingmaster..........

oldfool
March 7, 2010, 09:50 PM
I'm the OP.

Basically, what I gather from you guys is the reason people don't do it is because of capital. If someone had like $5 million, opened a big store + internet, would that be a good idea in a good sized city?
OP
the 7 habits of highly successful people are exactly the same 7 habits of highly unsuccessful people

lots of good reasons why those of us who do not do that , are real happy that some do that

all you really have to ask yourself is-
if you can get your hands on a $5M credit line (or preferably $5M in cash), would you rather put it into a gun shop, or would you rather buy some really, really, really, really nice stuff and shoot it all a lot
(there are no wrong answers to that question)

if you choose the gun shop, kindly drop us a note; I will look at your prices

PS
if you can do cyberspace well, suggest you look for podunk center real estate, or some vacant worn out farm with really good bandwidth
if you can do $5M credit line, you don't need need location, just a really fast servers and a bunch of people in shipping and handling who do not steal

ClayInTX
March 7, 2010, 10:42 PM
I’m not supplying an army and trying to get one percent off which amounts to thousands of dollars.

I’m buying one gun and willing to pay a premium for the privilege of seeing it, handling it, and trying the action. I cannot do this on the internet and I believe it unethical to check something at a local shop and then go to the Big Boys to buy.

I want to see it before I buy it. I drive a vehicle before I buy it. I walk through a house before I buy it. I try on a suit before I buy it.

So far they won’t let me try on underwear at Sears nor try a sausage biscuit at McDonalds before I buy.

jakeiscrazy
March 7, 2010, 10:50 PM
We have a Green Top in VA. I haven't been in, but I have driven past. I have a friend that says it is "AMAZING!!!!". Looks pretty big from the outside

jl1966
March 7, 2010, 11:43 PM
Oneounceload, I have no problem paying retail prices, as long as it is the lowest retail price I can find. If you will examine my previous post, you will see that I was talking about a local shop with lower prices than Sportsmans Warehouse, hence I buy my guns from the local guy. It often seems to me that people think a gun store is doing them a favor by selling them a gun or even just waiting on them when they come in. Regardless of what your bussiness is, I feel you should be grateful that I am giving you the opportunity to get my business. If your prices are too high, your employees are rude or unhelpful, or you never stock what I need, you won't get it. Thats business. So when I go in store A and the guy is trying to get $500 plus for a specific gun and you and I are the only ones in your shop. Then I go to shop B and it is packed, and he wants $375 for the same gun, who am I gonna take my business to? This is an actual experience of mine with two local shops. The guy at shop A is the one, crying about barely breaking even. I can see why.

FenderTK421
March 8, 2010, 05:37 AM
I will gladly pay 10% additional to support a local mom and pop shop rather than buying from a 'mega-store.'

Bubbles
March 8, 2010, 08:56 AM
Quote:
Bud's drop ships a lot of their items, which means they are not laying out the cash for inventory.

I've started hearing this over the last couple of months. Where did it originate?

Local dealers who do transfers are starting to notice. The customer tells the transfer dealer that he bought the gun from Bud's, but the paperwork on the package shows that it was shipped directly from a distributor.

Nothing wrong with the business model until you try it and all the distributors are out of stock. Doesn't work too well with Title II stuff, either.

ETA: We knew going into the gun biz that we couldn't compete with the big retail stores, so we focus on services like refinishing, gunsmithing, and custom builds.

jl1966
March 8, 2010, 09:24 AM
I will gladly pay 10% additional to support a local mom and pop shop rather than buying from a 'mega-store.'
Yeah, me too, but not if the guy can't take the time away from consulting with his usual panel of "experts", that every gunshop seems to have, to ask me if I need something. I dont expect him to come chase me around the shop, just a "Hey, how are you, can I help you?", is all. Also, if I ask about a gun, If you dont have it, say so, and offer to order it, dont tell me they dont make such a model. I think big boxes are great, keeps everyone honest. If wally world or Gander is selling gun X for $200, then joe shmoe can't gripe about trying to get $400 with no takers. This works well with private individuals too. I had a guy at a gunshow get steamed when I quoted him the new price at wally world, which was lower than the price he was asking for a used gun. He stomped off muttering, "Eveybody knows the wal mart price these days." As I have said in previous posts, I believe in supporting a local shop, and most all my purchases are at the one I favor. This is because he does not try to gouge you, is knowledgable about all aspects of firearms, helpful, and actually seems to be making the volume thing work on a local level.

gunfire876
March 8, 2010, 10:34 AM
While alot of distributors and manufactors will ship for us, we have a couple guns in stock @ Budsgunshop.com I swear some of you guys know more about the place than I do. I understand while some dealers spread lies about us and we can't please everybody, but I guarentee the staff @ Buds tries to provide the best service possible. Have we ever screwed up yes, but we also try to make everything right because we wouldn't be in buisness without our customers. pm me if I can ever help. Marty

MattTheHat
March 8, 2010, 11:07 AM
^OVER 5,000 GUNS IN STOCK

Geeze, how do you ever get guys to leave? Sounds like the promised land to me!


-Matt

danprkr
March 8, 2010, 06:41 PM
Geeze, how do you ever get guys to leave? Sounds like the promised land to me!

Why would they want to leave?

blaisenguns
March 9, 2010, 04:07 PM
I honestly think that any gunshop makes more revenue from ammo, range fees, gunsmith services, etc. than selling guns. And you do have to take into account transfer fees and shipping when you buy online. $50 is the cheapest transfer dealer in my area, I would rather just go to a store and buy something.

CoRoMo
March 9, 2010, 04:17 PM
Few gun dealers have a larger inventory than the Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops that I've been to. Most have better prices though.

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