3" SP101 or 2.5" K Frame?


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WNC Seabee
March 7, 2010, 09:46 PM
Both are .357, but I'd likely load them up with .38s. The K frame is a Model 19 so it's blued, but it has 6 shots. The SP is stainless, but only 5 shots. The intended purpose is hiking/fishing companion. I have other CCW purposes and HD covered pretty well.

So...which one would you keep and why?

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LawofThirds
March 7, 2010, 09:54 PM
I love my K frame .357's but I'm gonna have to go with the SP101, just for the rust resistance.

mesinge2
March 7, 2010, 10:01 PM
Who's selling the 19 I might want it. :D


But seriously go with the Ruger, the 19 can't take the really hot rounds but the ruger can.

LSCurrier
March 7, 2010, 10:12 PM
I would go with the Ruger SP101.

I have a Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum 2.25" barrel and really like it.

Luke

WNC Seabee
March 7, 2010, 10:19 PM
Who's selling the 19 I might want it. :D


But seriously go with the Ruger, the 19 can't take the really hot rounds but the ruger can.
I have both in the safe now, I'm just trying to decide which one to keep. I'm just as likely to find a way to justify keeping both!

gulogulo1970
March 7, 2010, 10:27 PM
Well if for camping and hiking the Sp-101 is your best bet. I have one, I like it.

19-3Ben
March 7, 2010, 10:49 PM
The intended purpose is hiking/fishing companion.

The SP101. Hands down.
1) Easier to strip and clean if it goes for a swim.
2) Esier to replace should something happen (tragic boating accident anyone? :p)
3) Stainless so more rust corrosion.
4) Lighter, so easier to pack all day.

buckeye8
March 7, 2010, 10:59 PM
I really enjoy my SP101. I've owned various barrel lengths in wheelguns, and the only downside to the "longer" 3-1/16 inch barrel is that it doesn't work well for pocket carry. If the gun will be on your hip and not in a pocket, I'd go SP101 for sure. And I'll bet once you shoot a few .357's out of your SP101, you will reconsider carrying it with .38 Specials. It handles the .357 round very, very well.

joneb
March 7, 2010, 11:17 PM
Both are great choices, I went this way
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=85265&d=1222403274
My favorite load is a 180gr XTP/FP with a max load of AA#9

Benelli Shooter
March 7, 2010, 11:26 PM
SP101. I sold my S&Ws for Rugers. I couldn't be happier.

GRIZ22
March 7, 2010, 11:39 PM
If it's for hiking and fishing I'd take the Ruger as the stainless will hold up better to the elements. If the choice were a SP101 or S&W 66 it would be a toss up.

BullfrogKen
March 7, 2010, 11:42 PM
If you're debating which one to put up for sale, does the price you'd get on the used market factor any weight into the decision?

Because you'd get more money out of that Model 19 than you would an SP101.

06
March 7, 2010, 11:46 PM
Seabee, looking to replace the snubbie that I gave my daughter so if you decide to "shuck" one please let me know. Thanks. Just between you and I, you should keep them both-lol.

ArchAngelCD
March 8, 2010, 12:48 AM
But seriously go with the Ruger, the 19 can't take the really hot rounds but the ruger can.
C'mon now! Do you seriously think the smaller Ruger can handle "hot rounds" better than a K frame Smith? I'm guessing you are going by what you read and don't own a K frame. Besides, the OP said he will be shooting .38's anyway.

Investment casting used by Ruger forces the frame to be larger than forged frames to achieve the same strength. Add the fact the K frame is a larger frame than the SP101 it will handle "hot rounds" as well or better than the Ruger SP101. (not that there's anything wrong with a Ruger) Because the K frame holds 6 rounds and probably has a smoother trigger that would be my choice as a woods gun. I'm not being a S&W fan just to be a fan. If you asked about a S&W Model 60 and a GP100 I would have picked the GP100.

RatDrall
March 8, 2010, 08:30 AM
Carry the Ruger SP101, because if you lose or damage the .357 K frame you have lost a gun that is going to be very difficult to replace!

earlthegoat2
March 8, 2010, 08:35 AM
The 19 can take the ultra hot rounds just fine. If you are thinking of forcing cone cracking, that is mostly attributed to the old Super Vel ammo which was a 357 on steroids. Combined with the funky powder they used that made "flame cutting" prolific and it quickly wore out some K frames. They just happened to be 125 grain which is not a magic 357 Mag bullet weight that destroys K frames.

If it were me, I would hold onto the 19. It is not made anymore and I like the nice hefy 6 shot 357.

gordy
March 8, 2010, 03:09 PM
Well they are both very good firearms. The ruger lends it self to a working format very well. But in my opinion it is the S&W that is a sexy revolver.
I think the m19 in a four inch is to die for. It is like a winchester lever gun (NO SCOPE)just about as good looking as they come.:neener:

Thaddeus Jones
March 8, 2010, 03:36 PM
I'd keep the 2.5" model 19. Won't be anymore as nice as that sixgun........from S&W anyway.

SP101's are a dime a dozen, locally. NIB, used, LNIB. Very easy to find, or replace. My 0.02 TJ

gwnorth
March 8, 2010, 03:47 PM
For outdoor use like you propose, I too would pick the Ruger. Stainless, of course, will rust if neglected just as blued carbon steel. However, the nice thing with the Ruger is the ability to more simply take it apart, dry it out, and oil the internals if it should get drenched somehow.

I have a stainless 65-3, but I still use my 3" and 4" Ruger Service Sixes for trail use since I don't like to have to take the side plate off the S&W any more often then necessary for basic maintenance.

Of course, more then a few LEO's have carried blued steel handguns for years, out in the elements, and you see examples of those all the time that are still in wonderful condition - but it does take more attention to care and rust prevention then a stainless gun will.

I don't think I'd get rid of the 19 though, just as I won't get rid of my 65 - I just don't take it camping or hiking is all.

Steve C
March 8, 2010, 04:33 PM
I'd take the Smith. One more round, smother action, better sites, better choice of grips and unless you loose it in the rive it should increase in resale value should you ever decide to get a different gun.

Personally I prefer to carry a 4" or 6" revolver for hiking but then I'm not worrying about concealed that much. Rather have a .22 for snakes if fishing.

Boulder
March 8, 2010, 04:36 PM
I would try not to get rid of either. My 2.5" 19 sits in the safe. None of my non-current-production Smiths get out much. I'm too concerned with parts breakage. I find certain spare parts are getting harder to find. I'm more inclined to use the SP101 because it is still in production.

bflobill_69
March 8, 2010, 05:37 PM
The model 19 will most certainly have a smoother trigger... and cost a little more =/
You wear out parts on a model 19, I will be impressed LOL! Many, many, many rounds that would take...

Bflobill69

logical
March 8, 2010, 05:44 PM
I think you already own and have shot both so you may not have this problem. I have a Smith 65-1 that is a beautiful gun that I love as a range gun where follow-up shot speed is meaningless. But I have stubby fingers and can't shoot it without regripping most every shot for some reason compared to my SP 101 or even my Speed/Security/Service Sixes. For me, the K-frame just wouldn't ever be a carry gun but maybe the grips I have on it are the issue now that I look at the picture.

I can't dispute the knock on Ruger vs Smith factory triggers but I will also say that my DAO SP-101 that was worked over by Mark M at Gemini Customs has the smoothest trigger of any gun I own. I swear he must have snuck tiny little permanetly oiled precision ball bearings inside it.

Here are the 4" Smith 65, a 4" Ruger Service Six that happens to be DAO and .38 spcl. and the 3" SP-101 in .357 and then just because I had the pics handy a few of the SP with a Ruger Speed Six (which would be my choice if I wanted 6 rounds).

http://logical.freeservers.com/images/img_1026_445x500.jpg

http://logical.freeservers.com/images/img_1021_500x333.jpg

http://logical.freeservers.com/images/img_1020_500x333.jpg

Blue Brick
March 8, 2010, 05:45 PM
1+ Ruger

Hardballing
March 8, 2010, 06:02 PM
Keep the Smith, sell the Ruger.

Just my .02 for all the reasons previously stated.

Or better yet, keep the Ruger and sell the Smith...to ME :).

Tim

ArmedBear
March 8, 2010, 06:10 PM
I'd carry the SP101 and keep the 2.5" K-frame oiled up at home.

I wouldn't ditch either one, but if I HAD to sell one, it would be the Ruger. They're dime-a-dozen and easily replaceable. 2.5" Model 19s aren't.

(If I'm going to carry .38s hiking, I just use an Airweight. There's no reason to lug a heavy gun around to shoot 5 .38 Special rounds IMHO.)

wnycollector
March 8, 2010, 06:48 PM
My primary hiking gun is a 2.75" ruger security six so I'm partial to medium sized revolvers. I would personally keep both if possible and carry the S&W loaded with .357 ammo.

If I'm going to carry .38s hiking, I just use an Airweight. There's no reason to lug a heavy gun around to shoot 5 .38 Special rounds IMHO.

+1 on this point. 90% of the reason I carry a revolver while hiking (especially on suburban mixed use trials) is 2 legged predator's.

Deanimator
March 8, 2010, 06:51 PM
I don't like stainless and I'd rather have six than five shots.

K frame.

mesinge2
March 8, 2010, 06:53 PM
C'mon now! Do you seriously think the smaller Ruger can handle "hot rounds" better than a K frame Smith? I'm guessing you are going by what you read and don't own a K frame.

When he asked, I thought he was buying not selling, and the Ruger would be cheaper and eaiser to find.
Also, I actually own a m19-4 2.5" that I carry at least 4 days out if a week. I only suggested the Ruger because of the stainless finish, stronger frame, and Ruger warrenty service. If the Ruger has a problem its free to fix, not so with the used Smith.


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And I am actually a S&W K frame fan, this is one of my favorites:

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ArchAngelCD
March 9, 2010, 04:27 AM
Again with the stronger frame, sorry but it's not true. Yes it looks heavier but like I said above, it's a result of the investment casting manufacturing process Ruger uses. It has to be that thick to match the strength of a forged frame. This is one of those "facts" that is considered a fact because it's been repeated so often. Unfortunately it's not a fact at all. Other reasons may be valid to choose one over the other but frame strength isn't a valid reason IMO.

dbarale
March 9, 2010, 07:23 AM
C'mon now! Do you seriously think the smaller Ruger can handle "hot rounds" better than a K frame Smith? I'm guessing you are going by what you read and don't own a K frame. Besides, the OP said he will be shooting .38's anyway.

Well, yeah. Here are a couple of pics of a 19 for sale on GB right now:

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/159763000/159763211/pix145518750.jpg

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/159763000/159763211/pix144106562.jpg


With that said, I love K frames and I believe that they will take a lot of hot loads with heavier bullets without problems. I would love to own a 2.5" M19 again. The trigger and finish are typically better than a Ruger...
But I still think that a Ruger is more rugged and the SP101 will be a better choice here.

jad0110
March 9, 2010, 10:10 PM
This:

I'd carry the SP101 and keep the 2.5" K-frame oiled up at home.

I wouldn't ditch either one, but if I HAD to sell one, it would be the Ruger. They're dime-a-dozen and easily replaceable. 2.5" Model 19s aren't.

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