Thinking of getting a kel-tec pf-9


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beeenbag
March 8, 2010, 12:24 PM
Anybody have any feedback on the pf 9? I really want to get one because of the size and caliber. It is to be my main ccw, maybe, depending on the reviews I can collect from you guys. If anybody knows of something that compares let me know. Oh yeah.... price means alot being as im probably gonna buy 2. One for me and one for the wife.

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Joe Demko
March 8, 2010, 12:32 PM
I have one. They are thin and very flat. They are still too big for a pocket gun, though. Mine is picky about bullet profiles. Overall, though I was initially very enthused about it, it's not a great piece. If you're going to carry in a holster, there are better choices. If you are going to carry in a pocket, there are better choices. It's perfectly designed to not be well-suited for much of anything.

dom1104
March 8, 2010, 12:47 PM
Its a Kel-Tec.

Just run away.

I just got done reading a local forum thread " The worst gun you ever owned"

The word "Kel-Tec" came up over, and over, and over again.

People give them a second chance, and a third, and a fourth because they COULD be so great and so cheap.

But often they are just cheap.

MachIVshooter
March 8, 2010, 01:06 PM
Its a Kel-Tec.

Just run away.

I just got done reading a local forum thread " The worst gun you ever owned"

The word "Kel-Tec" came up over, and over, and over again.

People give them a second chance, and a third, and a fourth because they COULD be so great and so cheap.

But often they are just cheap.

Has not been my experience with any of the five KT's I own, including a PF9.

How many have you had?

KT is a stand-up company with quality and innovative products. There's a reason they move so many. If it were strictly price, Hi-Point would be outselling them.

To the OP, the PF-9 is a good gun for it's intended purpose. It's not fun to shoot alot, and wasn't meant to be a range toy. The one flaw I've found is that if you use really hot ammo, the firing pin will wipe brass from the primer and it gets stuck in the hole, resulting in light stikes. Doesn't hurt the gun, and simply wiping the debris out of the hole brought the gun back into service. But not something I wanna deal with in a fire fight. Just stick with regular fodder. Mine has never had a malfunction with standard pressure ammunition.

jimk0512
March 8, 2010, 01:46 PM
Concerning the PF-9:

Shoot it before you buy it. Have your wife shoot it before you buy her one. I say this about any small pistol made by any manufacturer. Put one in your pocket, if that is where you plan to carry it. Make sure it fits in your pocket. One of the guys I shoot with at the local gun club has one. It is his only every day carry pistol. I tried it, it didn't work for me, I bought a different pocket pistol. YMMV.

MCgunner
March 8, 2010, 01:56 PM
My P11 has been running great for 14 years. The PF9 is thinner and a little lighter and had it been available at the time, I'd probably gotten it instead of the P11, but the P11 carries a little more ammo and is 100 percent reliable and 3.5" at 25 yards accurate. I don't fix what ain't broke.

With all the bashing Taurus, Kel Tec, and Ruger get on these gun boards by brand fanatics (I own all three), it'd be hard to understand how these companies sell anything, let alone all the guns that they do. But, uninformed opinions abound. If you haven't owned and fed a Kel Tec, you don't have an informed opinion. Besides, they have an unconditional lifetime warranty and one of the best customer service departments in the business. I don't see how you can go wrong.

MCgunner
March 8, 2010, 02:03 PM
BTW, in .380s, the P3AT was the first that all others copy. In subcompact 9s, I can say the same thing for the P11. And, actually, I own one of the predicessors to both genre of handguns, the Grendel P12 which isn't a GREAT gun, but is 100 percent reliable with most ammo I've fired in it and was way ahead of its time in design. It's the same size as a P3AT/LCP, but wider as it has a double stack 11 round magazine. I prefer its heal clip mag release for pocket carry, especially back pocket, and have decided I don't need an example of the newer .380s since this one is a good gun and has advantages. The trigger sux, the accuracy is no better than the other .380s, but it works.

The P11 was the first. Only competition it had when I bought it was the Kahr K9, all steel, heavy, and too large for pocket carry and the G26 with the same disadvantages as the K9. The PF9 is based on the P11 upper married to the P3AT lower.

distra
March 8, 2010, 02:15 PM
I feel lots of KT bashing coming in this thread.:rolleyes: Mostly from those who do not own one. My PF9 & my wife's have both been very good guns. They are not a gun you take to the range and shoot 500rds in an afternoon, while you could your hand would be a little sore. It's a perfect CCW and/or backup gun, slim, small, light and easy to shoot. Mine likes just about any JHP 9mm even the 147gr. You can pocket carry this gun, I do in the summer with just jean shorts nothing special. It also fits into my 1911 IWB holster. I have nothing bad to say about the PF9. KT does have decent CS if you should need it. Beware of those bashing a pistol they have never owned.

rcmodel
March 8, 2010, 02:17 PM
Its a Kel-Tec.
Just run away.SO, exactly how many Kel-Tec's have you owned or had personal experience with to form that opinion, and pass it on to others?

Mercy!

My 1st. Gen P3AT has been flawless after the initial break-in since I bought it almost five years ago.

If you even belong to the NRA, you may have read the Feb. American Rifleman test of 9 current .380 pistols from Kahr, Kel-Tec, Mag Research, NAA, Rohrbaugh, Ruger, SIG, Taurus, and Walther.

All of them except the $1,150 dollar Rohrbaugh malfunctioned repeatably during initial break-in.

Should we all run away if it's a Kahr, Mag Research, NAA, Ruger, SIG, Taurus, or Walther too?

rc

dom1104
March 8, 2010, 02:38 PM
I'm Sorry. I somehow mispoke.

Kel-Tecs are great guns, in fact I doubt there are any better options out there.

Go for it!

Kireta
March 8, 2010, 02:47 PM
I just shot a kel-tec my friend wants to sell. The trigger was harder to squeeze than any I have ever fired, not an issue for the first shot but terrible for the remaining. I said thanks but no thanks, I'll spend the extra money on a smoother ride.

Joe Demko
March 8, 2010, 02:47 PM
I've owned several Keltecs. None of them worked perfectly straight out of the box. All of them required tinkering and the .32 needed a trip back to the factory. I still buy their products because I don't mind a little tinkering and most Keltec products are inexpensive. WRT the PF-9, until you own and carry one for a while, it doesn't become evident how awkwardly sized it is. When you first pick one up and handle it, there is a distinct "Wow! This gun is really thin and flat!" impression. Then after you carry it a while, you realize that it is still too long and too tall to be a proper pocket gun. So, you carry it in a holster where you could just as easily carry something with a better trigger, better sights, higher capacity (if you wanted), and using a different cartridge (if you aren't a 9mm fan). Keltec's tiny pistols are the way to go, for pocket carry. The PF-9 is neither fish nor fowl
Hell, if anybody wants to buy my hard chromed specimen, shoot me a PM. It's just taking up space in my gun cabinet.

dom1104
March 8, 2010, 03:25 PM
If you do buy a PF-9, make sure you dont get a 1st run pistol.

Here is a list of the issues with the first run.

And this is from a GLOWING review site, and the KTOG.com. Before someone comes after me again :)

1. Some early barrels had SHORT THROATS that would not chamber the longer 147 grain ammo.
2. Kel-Tec used the same screw for the sight as for the extractor. But when the screw was tightened during production this caused it to intrude into the hammer arc which caused hammer peening from hitting the screw, which caused hammer slide scoring, which caused additional wear to the hammer, which then caused more hammer slide scoring etc. etc.
3. There was a lot of fine brass dust created from the cartridges being shaved by the rough hammer slide.
4. The firing pin channel in the slide was too large, and allowed the firing pin to wobble around and strike the primer crookedly, resulting in failures to fire. The large hole also quickly attracted brass shavings.
5. The slide lock tab was too large, and rubbed against the bullet noses and piled up shavings.
6. Sometimes cartridges would feed oddly and lock open the breech, with the cartridge nose trapped under the slide stop tab.
7. First run PF-9s also had problems with the first 3 rounds in the magazine tending to nose dive into the feed ramp.
8. The magazine follower was a soft material and quickly developed a gouge caused by the last round flipping end for end and smacking its rim into the top of the follower.
9. The slide was not properly hardened, and this this caused slide bending which gradually caused barrel and breech peening, and light strikes from the slide not properly closing into battery.
10. Sometimes slides also cracked at the slide stop notch.
11. Some of the grip accessory rails drooped.
12. Magazine problems: The PF9 magazine followers were a soft plastic that dented easily, and the sharper slide lock tabs tended to dig holes in them. These mags also apparently have sharper edges in the mag catch area and tend to wear the plastic mag catches quickly if the catch button is not depressed during mag insertion.

And Joe Demko, wth are you thinking. You must love Kel-Tec or else your NRA membership will be called into question. :)

BP Hunter
March 8, 2010, 03:38 PM
I have had PF9 for about 8 months already. It feels and shoots better with the extended magazine grip. It definitely is not a range gun, but is meant to be be used regularly for feel and comfort of use if intended to be used as a carry weapon. This is my main carry gun. I failed to shoot it for 2 months spending more time on my other handguns. I was surpirsed to how much it kicked after shooting it again. That is not meant to be a put down. You just have to get use to the recoil. I am actually looking into trading it in for the Taurus PT 709.

texaspetron
March 8, 2010, 05:09 PM
I have a KT 380 qnd the PF-9, both have been very reliable.

I can hold a 2" pattern with the PF-9, @ 15 yards never had a miss fire.

It is carried in a pocket holster when I am not carrying my Glock 27 ,.40.

I took my CHL renewal the day after i purchased the Glock 27 and had a fantastic score first time ever firing the weapon.

All of my weapons are lubed with Petron Super Lube

My new Browning semi Auto 30-06 gave me a 5/8" 5 shot pattern at 100 yards, great weapon and scope.

Texaspetron

Cornhusker77
March 8, 2010, 05:22 PM
I just shot a kel-tec my friend wants to sell. The trigger was harder to squeeze than any I have ever fired, not an issue for the first shot but terrible for the remaining. I said thanks but no thanks, I'll spend the extra money on a smoother ride.

That sounds like a P11 which does have the absolute stiffest trigger I ever pulled.
The PF9 however is a different beast.
My PF9 has a long but smooth trigger, not a hard pull at all, same with my P3AT
Both guns are reasonably accurate, thin and light.
My only complaint about the PF9 is the same thing as one of the things I like about it, it's thinness.
I shoot it a couple times a week, carry it more often than not, and the only problem I've ever had was FTE once when it was dirty.
Keep a firm grip on it and the recoil ain't bad.
If you need a gun that's easy to carry, easy to shoot, easy to take care of and won't bust the bank, you could do a lot worse.

Philo_Beddoe
March 8, 2010, 05:39 PM
I have a PF-9, functions flawlessly, but I think its to large for pocket carry, which is what I bought it for, other then that its a good deal for the price.

Fleetman
March 8, 2010, 07:36 PM
I like mine and I have the P-11 and P3AT to go along with them.

The trigger shoe on mine helped with the trigger considerably but make sure you Loctite it in place. I didn't trust mine until at least 500 rounds with no issue.....have yet to ever have an issue with the PF9 though.

Note the screws for the belt clip. I leave them in place as I occasionally use the clip. These screws will require a little (medium) Loctite as well.

Yo Mama
March 8, 2010, 07:59 PM
This is normally how these threads start....and end. :banghead:

wnycollector
March 8, 2010, 08:08 PM
I bought my PF-9 just after Xmas and I have had ~600 relatively trouble free rounds through it. I have had 6 FTE's each and every one is attributable to me (finger hitting mag release, thumb brushing slide or shooting a dirty gun).

The one big thing I have noticed is that my PF-9 is 100% reliable when it is clean but even a little bit of power residue on the slide rails or extractor can cause problems. One time I put 50 rounds of my 125gr reloads through it and put it away w/o cleaning. The next week I took it out to the range and I got one FTE /mag on the first two or three mags. I field stripped it at the range and cleaned up the rails and extractor as best I could with a paper towel. It was 100% for the rest of the range session.

I find that its size and weight are perfect for IWB carry. Yes I can carry a bigger gun w/ more rounds IWB...but then I'm carrying a gun that feels like a bigger heavier gun. The PF-9 is so light and small that I actually have forgotten I am carrying a gun. It's that easy to carry!

Ohh ya, it is SUPER accurate out to 10 yards mainly because of the smooth trigger pull!

GBExpat
March 8, 2010, 08:20 PM
A PF9 has been my primary carry piece for several years. I have found it to be reliable, accurate and relatively comfortable to shoot. For reference, when I buy gloves they must be size Large.

I have a PF9 in the back pocket of my 501s as I type this ... it is in a Desantis Nemesis holster.

I Dremel-modded it slightly as shown in the photo below so that I could get 3 fingers comfortably on the front grip strap (radiused the triggerguard and knocked the nose off of the mag extension).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Jungesblut/Stuff/PF9Mods1.jpg

dusty14u
March 8, 2010, 08:47 PM
I have had a PF9 for 3 yrs now with no problems. I pocket carry it in a Old West pocket holster in cargo shorts for the summer. I carry it about 80% of the time while carrying much more expensive full size guns the rest of the time. I sometimes carry it in a small belt slide holster IWB and OWB. It is very easy to conceal and very reliable. I fire a few mags at leat every other week and it always goes bang. It isn't a range gun but does waht it was designed to do very well. I would highly recommend this for concealed carry.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa119/dusty14u/forums/keltek1.jpg

SheepNutz
March 8, 2010, 09:55 PM
Hello from a fellow Kentuckian! I just picked up my PF-9 on Friday (bought it off gunsamerica.com) and took it to the range that night after giving it a good cleaning. I shot 100 rounds of WWB 115gr FMJs, and had zero failures. As others have said, it's not a range gun for sure, because it stings the crap out of your hands. There's a good bit of muzzle flip, and I was getting some hand redness from grip being rough where the two halves of the frame meet. I'll be picking up a Hogue Hand-all Jr grip for it as soon as I can find one locally that isn't pink. The sights are good, and the gun was pretty accurate. I was shooting ragged holes at 7 yards. Overall, I'm happy with it, and can't wait to get my CCDW so I can pocket carry it.

kymarkh
March 9, 2010, 04:50 PM
I had one that looked exactly like dusty14u's for a while. I highly recommend the Hard Chrome if you can find it - it really makes the Pf-9 a much better gun in my opinion.

It was accurate and reliable for me, but I ended up trading it for a Ruger LCP because what I really wanted was a pocket pistol. The Pf-9 is just slightly too big for me to get it out of a pocket holster quickly. The Ruger is much better in this regard.

beeenbag
March 10, 2010, 11:06 AM
Is the recoil out of these guns too much for my 5'2'' 120lb wife? She has tiny hands which Is good (really good in ways) to fit the grip, but if the recoil is that bad.....

Just One Shot
March 10, 2010, 11:29 AM
I recomended the P-11 to a deacon at church because of his price range limitations and him wanting something in 9mm to CC. I had heard good reports on it and his hands are thick so I figured it would be better for him than the PF-9.

We took it to the range to check it out and while it shot decent it was just brutal on the hand. I had to take my pocket knife and perform minor surgury on the trigger. It had a ridge left over from the mold that would almost cut you when you fired it. Even after the mod the trigger shape and design was still painful to our fingers.

I don't have a problem with many guns hurting my hands. I have an LCP that some say gives them problems when they shoot it. I don't have an issue with it even though I can only get 2 fingers on the grip even with the extension.

The P-11 is very uncomfortable to shoot for any period of time and a person needs to practice with their CCW. If he had more funds available I would have directed him to the XD 9 SC. While it is a little larger, it's not anywhere near as hard on the hand to shoot.

Before you purchase anything I suggest you go out and fire the different brands and models for yourself. You should be able to find a range that rents guns or find someone who will let you shoot theirs. The money you spend up front may prevent you from making a mistake that will only cost you more money to correct.

After all, there's no such thing as a one size fits all when it comes to handguns. What works for one may not work for you. Your preference may not work for your wife either so you should include here in your research.

Good luck on your decision!

MachIVshooter
March 10, 2010, 12:40 PM
Is the recoil out of these guns too much for my 5'2'' 120lb wife? She has tiny hands which Is good (really good in ways) to fit the grip, but if the recoil is that bad.....

Her stature isn't the issue. Hand strength and tolerance for the sharp recoil is. There's only gonna be one way to find out. Make sure she can control it well enough one-handed that it doesn't short cycle from being limp wristed; this is a frequent problem with featherweight automatics. My little sister is a seasoned shooter and pretty strong for a girl, but she cannot handle my S&W CS-45 one handed with enough authority to ensure reliability.

Joe Demko
March 10, 2010, 04:42 PM
I like my j-frame better.

mordechaianiliewicz
March 10, 2010, 04:47 PM
Don't think about it. Just buy one.

Bill B.
March 10, 2010, 05:31 PM
The PF9 however is a different beast.
My PF9 has a long but smooth trigger, not a hard pull at all, same with my P3AT
Both guns are reasonably accurate, thin and light.
My only complaint about the PF9 is the same thing as one of the things I like about it, it's thinness.
I shoot it a couple times a week, carry it more often than not, and the only problem I've ever had was FTE once when it was dirty.
Keep a firm grip on it and the recoil ain't bad.
If you need a gun that's easy to carry, easy to shoot, easy to take care of and won't bust the bank, you could do a lot worse.

+1 .........Pretty well sums up my experience with a PF9! I was expecting the recoil to worse and was expecting the accuracy to not measure up. I was wrong on both accounts! You can do "A Lot" worse than buying a Kel Tec!

Bulldawg55
March 10, 2010, 06:35 PM
Got a PF9 last year. Felt it's a great buy.I have carried it on several occasions but I'm not sold on it's reliabilty yet. I only have about 300 rounds through it. It's flat, light and plenty accurate for social work. A target gun it is not. It's also pretty stout in the recoil department. I definately wouldn't recomend it over a light weight Smith for a newbie.It's in my summer gun rotation with a S&W 360 and Glock 33. I'm sure I'll get it running smoothly by summer and have just what I antisapated.:D

jonboynumba1
March 10, 2010, 06:48 PM
I actually just got back from shooting a box and change through my new slightly used (read broken in well...I'd guess at least 400-500 rounds) PF9...I sold it new at the shop and took it back in trade a few months later last week...I decided what the heck and traded a $200 gun I hated for it...I carried it out again this afternoon with a box of PMC bronze FMJ 115gr to help me get used to that MUCH different than my XD9 trigger...I occassionally jerk it a bit towards the end of the long travel but when I manage to pull smoothly or pre-load it and break the end of the pull smoothly it actually will cloverleaf fairly reliably at 7 yards (21 feet I figure is probably really a LONG shot for this type of gun in a deffensive situation...at 15 yards I'd sure rather have my XD....actually at ANY range I'd rather have my XD 4" service! The groups are bigger but two notable cloverleafs within the 3 mag group I shot (24 rounds) on paper

When I don't feel like carrying it or need something that hides better I deffinately feel confident I'll be able to rapidly dump rounds into a decent pattern between softball and coffee can sized at 7 and 15 yards respectively with a few hundred more rounds downrange...I need a little more trigger time with it but it has impressed me for what it is. Still has 100% reliable rating with me so far...feels well broken in already so I expected that...I really didn't think it would be this accurate though...me and that LONG DA trigger are the only thing keeping it from better groups...multiple cloverleafs within that group tells me it's more my not being used to that trigger...I think decent work could be done with it...certainly accurate enough for a deffensive pistol....surprisingly so for under $300!! But I doubt most of us will do much better than softball size repeatable groups with that trigger...but again....I think the gun is capable of keeping them all in the black at 15 yards...even if I aint there yet with it. deffinately a gun you'll have to get to know for a few-hundred rounds unless you are a natural with long DA pulls (I am decidedly NOT coming from a 1911/GLOCK/XD kinda background...mostly the first two until the last couple years)

On a Champion/scorekeeper 25 yard slowfire pistol target 23-24 rounds @ 7 yards (not warmed up with this new piece either...still decidedly getting used to it) 3X, 5 -9rings (all of those cloverleafed with one of the X's at 2:30), 3 -8rings (3 oclock), 3 -7rings (4 oclock), 5 in the 6 ring where I pulled em to 2 oclock...4 of those are cloverleafed together and one a bullethole away! That would be my fault-LOL, 1 5-ring, two on the paper where the 4 ring would be if there was one I think I pulled one or two off the paper on the right 3pm...I may have forgot to top off the mag one time though (may have been 23 rounds)

So in closing about half are in the black and 25% more just outside it on the edge cloverleafed due to me not being good with this trigger setup yet and pulling my shots all over the place as I adjusyted to it a little...and the flyers are VERY likely "all me" as well. I really feel the biggest limitation is my limited time shooting this cool cheap-arse lil 9er!

I sat down (my backs been botherig me) and shot some cans and shotshell hulls (empty) at 7-10 yards as well after that and accuracy was around 75-80% as well really taking my time (still jerked the end of the travel a few times badly here and there!...gonna take some more range time for me and this gun but I do like it!) I think I'll be shooting reliable fist sized groups with it by the end of the weekend if I can make the time and a few hundred more rounds by then...I deffinately feel it's within the guns abillity...probably even at 15 yards...I just gotta get used to this thing...it's odd...but not too bad a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG trigger to work with! LOL...you aint gonna squeaze one off by accident!...I'll give it that! ;) Recoil is not as bad as I remembered it...I think I'm used to keeping a good grip on the skinny bugger now! Though about a box of ammo is all I'd probably care to shoot in one sitting...maybe two (with a break inbetween!) I'll post some pics of my groups when I feel I'm doing the gun justice...it's different enough I don't think it'll mess with my shooting of my XD....which is pretty well ingrained at this point...I really don't see a change in my regular pistol anytime soon...but i think this one will do well in rotation for light carry days off and overall wearin kinda days...should see a LOT of use this summer!

So far...I'm really impressed...I had an OLD P40 and it was a NIGHTMARE to shoot and couldn't hit anything with it! This is like my old p32 was...cute cheap and surprisingly decent for what it is! Definately a good "young poor and broke" CCW choice...or in my case "I need a cheap summer beater" kinda toter! I'd buy another one...and probably will next month for the wife -if she likes it half as much as I do!

huduguru
March 10, 2010, 06:58 PM
I'm 0-2 on Keltecs, will never buy another. Just save up and buy two
snubbys. Can't beat a New York reload. :)

Hellbore
March 10, 2010, 07:03 PM
I have a Kel-tec P11 that is my every-day carry piece. I carry it with the belt clip and to me this is the most convenient method of carry I have ever found and easiest to conceal with the type of casual clothes I wear.

Does the PF-9 have a belt clip option? It looks to me like the same belt clip from the P-11 would fit. Since it is so thin, I would think that a PF-9 with belt clip would be the ultimate in convenience and concealability. It's already thin to start with, then you would need no holster to make it thicker...wow.

When I first got it, I did a fluff 'n buff on it to smooth things out, polished the feed ramp, etc. My P11 only has about 500 rounds through it because honestly, I don't shoot it much, it's not that fun to shoot. However, in those 500 rounds, I can honestly say there has not been a single malfunction. This is a better track record than most guns I have owned.

So honestly, my own experience has been pretty darn positive with them.

ShooterMcGavin
March 10, 2010, 07:43 PM
Is the recoil out of these guns too much for my 5'2'' 120lb wife?
Can you get her to gain 40 or 50 pounds? Sorry, I'm joking.

I carry the hard chrome PF-9 daily, IWB. It conceals and carries very well; the best I have when I can't afford to be made. Shooting it is not fun. I have shot it in drills and it proves easy enough and as accurate as needed. I have owned it for years but I shoot it rarely (because it's not fun). I believe I have had 1 failure that was not my fault (failure to extract). I did my best to TRY to get failures, and I was able to get it to fail by short-stroking the trigger. I could get it to fail some of the time doing that. Otherwise, it has been quite reliable for its size. Total of more than 400 rounds through it.

wild cat mccane
March 10, 2010, 08:31 PM
I wont get into how much I didn't like mine.

But I will point out that *for me* the P3AT is substantially smaller, easier to hit what I aimed at, and was able to do that faster.

Yep, there are only few 9mm's that compare in size, but overall length make it a large package for the pocket. When wrapped in any holster not kydex it becomes even more cumbersome.

P3AT looks only a little smaller on the gun counter, but makes a huge difference in the pocket.

dal205
March 10, 2010, 11:22 PM
I have had a PF9 for over a year now. Mine is very ammo sensitive. It is also not a gun you want to shoot at the range all day.

On the plus side, though, it fits in the back pocket of chino pants in a cheap holster I picked up on Ebay, costs half as much as a Kahr, and shoots Hydra-shoks all day long. I carry it when I need to be more discrete than my IWB G36, but not so discrete I need my LCP. If I had the decision to buy it all over again, I would. It's a decent pistol at a great price point.

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