Colt Walker question


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Big Bore Dan
March 8, 2010, 06:37 PM
How does one tell if a Colt Walker is made by Colt? Does the inscription on the top strap "address Colt New York" (or whatever it is supposed to say) mean it is MFG by Colt or do the re makes also have this marking? Thanks

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mykeal
March 8, 2010, 06:55 PM
The Italian replica manufacturers are required by Italian law to have their guns proof tested, and that process includes stamping the gun and it's parts with two proof house cartouches. These marks will set the guns apart as Italian in origin. The Italians make the vast majority of bp revolver replicas.

The Saml Colt address inscription on the top of the barrel is one mark identifying the gun as of Colt's Manufacturing Company manufacture. For a complete description see Dennis Adler's book on the 2nd Generation Colts.

No other manufacturer uses that inscription, with one exception. Armi San Marco did produce several examples of Colt replicas with the inscription in an attempt to obtain Colt's permission to manufacture the guns under license. Colt refused and required them to stop making the guns. Some of those guns, which are also marked as mad by Armi San Marco, occasionally show up on the market.

madcratebuilder
March 9, 2010, 06:56 AM
A 2nd or 3rd gen Colt well have "ADDRESS. SAML(small L) COLT NEW-YORK CITY
Right side of barrel lug above the wedge is US 1847
Serial number in four places, bottom of barrel lug, bottom of frame, bottom of trigger guard, these three well be lined up. The forth is on the bottom of the grip frame.

Fingers McGee
March 9, 2010, 05:14 PM
A 2nd or 3rd gen Colt well have "ADDRESS. SAML(small L) COLT NEW-YORK CITY
Right side of barrel lug above the wedge is US 1847
Serial number in four places, bottom of barrel lug, bottom of frame, bottom of trigger guard, these three well be lined up. The forth is on the bottom of the grip frame.

MCB. SN will also be stamped on the cylinder, arbor, and wedge; and be penciled in the backstrap channel of the grips.

mykeal
March 9, 2010, 06:54 PM
Also, the US 1847 above the wedge is present on the Uberti and ASM replicas, so it's not useful in identifying 2nd Gen Colts.

madcratebuilder
March 10, 2010, 10:03 AM
MCB. SN will also be stamped on the cylinder, arbor, and wedge; and be penciled in the backstrap channel of the grips.

I have seen 3rd gens with out the wedge or arbor marked.
Looking for the three serial numbers on the bottom should immediately ID the revolver as a Colt. I don't know of any Italian manufacture that marks their product in that way.

Also, the US 1847 above the wedge is present on the Uberti and ASM replicas, so it's not useful in identifying 2nd Gen Colts.

The US/1847 is only one of three series of marks I listed mykeal, not as the defining mark to identify the revolver.

rcflint
March 10, 2010, 11:58 AM
Read carefully, many Ubertis have the Address, but it is misspelled, as "Address Sam Cotl, Ney Work" or similar, if you read it too fast, you'll miss the misspelling. It was done to avoid a law suit. The frame side has "Cotl's Patent"

mykeal
March 10, 2010, 12:32 PM
The US/1847 is only one of three series of marks I listed mykeal, not as the defining mark to identify the revolver.
Yes, I understand, and didn't mean to suggest otherwise - sorry I wasn't clearer. It is a necessary but not sufficient condition.

many Ubertis have the Address, but it is misspelled
I thought that was ASM, not Uberti.

rcflint
March 10, 2010, 09:05 PM
Maybe ASM also, but I have an Uberti, and it is misspelled.

madcratebuilder
March 11, 2010, 08:36 AM
Maybe ASM also, but I have an Uberti, and it is misspelled.
That's a unusual specimen, I have seen several Uberti Walkers and have not seen that barrel marking. What's the date code?

The "Colt's patent" on the left side of the frame on a Walker is incorrect, at least 2nd gens do not have it. It appears on the Dragoon models, possibly the Whitneyville revolvers with the originals.

Fingers McGee
March 11, 2010, 12:05 PM
Quote MCB:I have seen 3rd gens with out the wedge or arbor marked.


Sorry, I should have been more precise, I was only speaking of 2nd Gens. Don't own any Sig Series guns so cannot speak to their characteristics. I know this; but forget that no one else does sometimes :o.

The rare five digit serial numbered variation of the 2nd Gen Walkers had Colt's Patent on the left of the frame. There were only 254 of these made.

madcratebuilder
March 12, 2010, 07:42 AM
The rare five digit serial numbered variation of the 2nd Gen Walkers had Colt's Patent on the left of the frame. There were only 254 of these made.

I knew that, just didn't remember it:rolleyes:
The number in DR's book is 245, is that a misprint?

Have you read anything why Colt did that marking on those limited number of Walkers?

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