Smallest Concealed Carry .45acp?


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arizonaguide
March 8, 2010, 08:11 PM
If you were going to CCW (IWB) a .45acp, AND let your wife use it to CCW also, what would be your WEAPON OF CHOICE?

My wife is pretty small, so it's gotta be a pretty small frame, and of course the smaller the better for my IWB carry. I'm happy with say 5+ rounds or better, as it's MORE important that it's a smaller gun.

Suggestions? :cool:

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CamaroLovr
March 8, 2010, 08:14 PM
Glock 36 maybe? I've shot one and after about 25 rounds of FMJ I didn't want much more but it is a pretty small and flat little pistol w/ 6+1, just not a range gun.

basicblur
March 8, 2010, 08:21 PM
Some of the Taurus stuff is pretty compact-I have a PT145, which is double-stack-think you can get 'em in single stack to cut the size even more.

'Course, I ain't gonna vouch for their QC! :barf:

The Sarge
March 8, 2010, 08:39 PM
I carry a Glock 36. It "disappears"....

mjbike
March 8, 2010, 08:44 PM
Glock 36 with a Crossbreed super tuck works great and is comfortable for me.

hmphargh
March 8, 2010, 08:48 PM
Kahr P/CW45 or PM45

More Specs on them:
http://www.kahr.com/dtlspec_cw4543.html

Not the cheapest, but probably the smallest.

Echo9
March 8, 2010, 09:09 PM
My weapon of choice?

Kimber Ultra CDP II or Springfield Micro Compact. But those are my weapons of choice, not the weapons I can afford.

Definitely look into Kahr, they're small, thin, light, and have really smooth triggers for striker guns.

The Glock 36 isn't a bad choice either.

outerlimit
March 8, 2010, 09:11 PM
The PM45 is not the smallest, but I believe it is the lightest .45acp on the market. Unless that R45 ever comes out.

boricua9mm
March 8, 2010, 09:14 PM
Compact + .45ACP ≠ Wife

9mmepiphany
March 8, 2010, 09:15 PM
the smallest .45 ACP, commonly available, that i'd recommend for carry would be the Kahr CW45...mostly based on it's thinness.

the smallest concealed carry .45 ACP, as asked in your title, would be the Semmerling LM4

HexHead
March 8, 2010, 09:17 PM
Colt New Agent. It's my primary EDC.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/scat999999/misc/photo-3.jpg

Here it is under a S&W 442 J-frame...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/scat999999/misc/photo-1.jpg

Lv4snobrdg
March 8, 2010, 09:22 PM
a metal gun, something with a lil more weight to it, may be a choice you are overlooking. Light guns make for more feeling more recoil in your arms, a real turn off for ladies that like to shoot the big .45. If yer really after a light weight over all else consider another caliber?? My lady likes my 1911's for the range but will tote around a m&p in 45 all day.

mljdeckard
March 8, 2010, 09:32 PM
I am the guy who is always lecturing about size and concealability.

Remember a few things about the 1911 first. It is the original adjustable design. You have options for grip width, back strap size, and trigger size. At the time it was issued, the average height of the American male was 5'4"-5'5". Their hands were smaller than the hands of the average male now. A LOT of women shoot full-size 1911s very comfortably.

Small guns are harder to shoot than big guns. They have less weight to soak up recoil, shorter sight radius, and to get good velocity out of compact 1911s you have to use smaller bullets. (I just hate using anything other than 230 gr.) The more you shrink a 1911 the more likely it is to have problems.

Smaller guns might SEEM less intimidating, but the truth is, they are lousy carry options for women.

orionengnr
March 8, 2010, 09:36 PM
If you are all about smallest/lightest...then check out the Kahr P45 (which I own and love), or maybe a Kahr PM45 (which I will own one day)

I own and carry mostly 1911s, but the polymer Kahrs are the ultimate lightweight/teeny-tiny .45 acps.

outerlimit
March 8, 2010, 09:38 PM
the smallest concealed carry .45 ACP, as asked in your title, would be the Semmerling LM4

I'm pretty sure he wants an automatic.

Claude Clay
March 8, 2010, 09:53 PM
amt 45 back up is pretty small.
and if you get a reliable one you got good value for the money.

simmerling is small but heavy. was fun while i had it but i would not get another.

arizonaguide
March 8, 2010, 10:34 PM
Compact + .45ACP ≠ Wife
LMAO! :cool:

03Shadowbob
March 8, 2010, 10:34 PM
S&W CS45 looks pretty small also.
I have had the Glock 36 and it was very concealable. I am keeping my eyes open for a Kimber UC or Colt New Agent.

chris in va
March 8, 2010, 10:55 PM
I had the displeasure of shooting a micro 45 1911. Never do that again. Couldn't imagine the recoil on a polymer micro 45 like the Kahr.

w_houle
March 8, 2010, 11:59 PM
No... I don't remember what it was called, but the breech face didn't move and you moved the slide forward.
Edit: "the smallest concealed carry .45 ACP, as asked in your title, would be the Semmerling LM4 "

that

jwalker497
March 9, 2010, 12:05 AM
"I had the displeasure of shooting a micro 45 1911. Never do that again. Couldn't imagine the recoil on a polymer micro 45 like the Kahr."

I am pretty sure the PM45 is the smallest semi-auto 45. And I shot one and recoil is no crazier than any other smaller handgun.

MICHAEL T
March 9, 2010, 02:28 AM
Colt Defender or Colt Agent both carry easy Use 185 gr HP

Roughneck08
March 9, 2010, 04:09 AM
AMT backup .45 ouch but small..

ForumSurfer
March 9, 2010, 10:23 AM
I don’t get why guys are saying some compacts are bad for their wives? Any girlfriend I’ve had has had no trouble shooting subcompact, compact or full-size frames. We’re not talking professional body builders, just average attractive sized women. My current girlfriend has a Bersa 380 given to her by an ex fiancée because she was “too girlie” for a bigger caliber. After a few shooting trips, she’s grown to love the 45’s more pleasant than she thought recoil. She says it seems to “shove” her instead of making “her wrist snap back” like 40’s do. She works out to stay in shape and is average sized for a woman of her height, no she-ra. She seems to have fallen in love with my Kimber Pro CDP, but she also shoots my Para p12 very well. The Para P12 was a Warthog before there were warthogs, a very compact double-stack 1911. My previous ex (whom I met at the range oddly enough) was 5’2” and right around 100lbs soaking wet, very tiny little firecracker of a woman. She carried and shot (very well!) a sub compact xd in 45.

I’m just saying that unless you stray above a 45 or 10mm, the recoil is manageable by most any human hand without arthritis. All you need is a proper grip. I’ve never understood the fear of a 45’s recoil. Nothing wrong with other calibers, I own lots of different calibers. Truth be told, the 40 cal Beretta 96 I once owned would have me more fatigued than any of my 45’s, compact or otherwise at the 500 round mark on a shooting day. I don’t get as many of those 500 round days anymore, ammo prices are such a killer. :(

It's all in the proper grip, that's just my humble opinion.

Lv4snobrdg
March 9, 2010, 10:49 AM
hmmm,

lets remember that women who love to shoot are rare, sexy lil numbers like ForumSurfers ex are rarer still. What we shoot at the range "for fun" and what we carry on on our hip "for defense" quite often are a little different. There has to be a level of confidence with being able to put the first round on target and any rounds after that on target. With adrenaline, anxiety and fear all in play at the same time.

A small caliber with less recoil is favorable (in a tense situation) for new shooters of any gender and experienced shooters alike.

Big caliber offers excellent stopping power at the cost of less shots available to fire (in most cases).

My wife is 5'4" and likes her m&p 45 for carry and shoots a few mags through it at the range then takes my TLE II and puts as much through it as she can. My wife is rarer still as she was in the Army and a Drill Sergeant.

1KPerDay
March 9, 2010, 01:55 PM
Compact + .45ACP ≠ Wife
I agree. Wifey probably won't be happy with the recoil. Get something she can shoot comfortably.

BP Hunter
March 9, 2010, 02:13 PM
I carry a Taurus PT 145. It fits quite comfotably in my Kholster IWB holster. It holds 10+1 and allows a full grip comfortably. I was surprised as to how "soft" it kicked. My Taurus PT 1911 and Sig Sauer P220 carry in .45 actually kicked harder that the small PT145.

arizonaguide
March 9, 2010, 02:19 PM
The wife will actually end up with the .38 442 snubby that I currently carry (and LOVE!), and I will carry the new .45.
BUT, I DO want her to be able to be comfortable with it also...not as a full time (exactly) but in a pinch.

Ahhh, if only it was possible for a 5 shot .45acp Jframe, I'd be happy. The Kframe 45's are just too large for CCW, so it's semi-auto for me.

So, I've kinda narrowed it down to the recommendations here...for a GOOD small .45acp Concealed Carry piece that will still be "okay" for the wife in an emergency.

CubJ3
March 9, 2010, 03:19 PM
Para Slim Hawg, "purported" to be the smallest 1911 .45 ACP. Easier to carry then my M&P 9 compact. Very manageable recoil IMO. US High Ride C. Rusty Sherrick holster. Comfy and great conceal holster.
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp336/PeterLuquer/Para%20and%20Smith%20and%20Wesson/DSCN1123.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp336/PeterLuquer/Para%20and%20Smith%20and%20Wesson/DSCN1133.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp336/PeterLuquer/Para%20and%20Smith%20and%20Wesson/DSCN1132.jpg

arizonaguide
March 9, 2010, 09:05 PM
Dang! Between the Slim Hawg and the Colt New Agent, they're starting to get 1911's down into a REAL CCW weapon! Nice pics! :cool:

Ughh
March 9, 2010, 09:17 PM
Kahr P/CW45 or PM45

I agree with hmphargh that Kahr PM45 is a good choice. I have a Glock 30 SF (45 acp) that is 10+1.
The S&W M&P45C also caught my attention because it has a manual safety.

I've researched this whole pocket rocket thing at length for a good, compact .45 and ended up with my G30 SF.

If you compare barrel length to gun length/gun size ratio, Glocks provide the longest barrels given the guns dimensions which is good for .45 acp because some people will criticize that .45 acp only belongs in a 5'' barrel--1911 lovers...:rolleyes:

IMTHDUKE
March 9, 2010, 11:34 PM
Here's a couple I carry...
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/62520996525079.jpg
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/62520996552615.jpg

arizonaguide
March 9, 2010, 11:40 PM
The critical dimension for me is the grip circumference at the trigger line.
This was where the Browning HiPower was so perfect for ME...the narrowing of the grip at the top. Here, I'll show it in this picture. (not HiPower, but you get the idea).
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy70/arizonaguide/xdmcritical.jpg

That is where the Kahr's (HiPowers, Revolvers, etc.) all fit me well, and where the Glock usually feels very Blocky to me. Even the small 1911's (I currently have a 4" Champion, short trigger)...still to BIG and not quite right for feel, especially to hand to the wife. I like the feel of the XDm 3.8 and the Sig250, but even they are a bit to big for the CCW that I want to do...(Arizona, shorts/shirt).

If John Browning was alive today he'd build me a 3" HiPower in .45acp about the same size as the Colt New Agent...only with HiPower's ergonomics/grip shape...and LIFE would be complete. :cool:

I guess I should look at the CZ's and see if they have a small CCW polymer with that HiPowerlike grip shape that makes the CZ's so sweet/popular.

It's funny, because the Taurus PT-145 is also PERFECT FIT, and almost small enough...but I'm "unsure" (-I'm being kind-) of Taurus customer service/QC. But, if Taurus can make a High Capacity .45acp that still fits...why can't others?

It's darn frustrating! ;) I LOVE the feel of the Kahr's for a small .45...but have heard a bit about maintenance issues. ARRRRRRGHHH!

nightshift
March 10, 2010, 01:27 AM
I carry a PT145 Millenium Pro with a stainless upper in a Crossbreed holster at about 5 o'clock. I was a little concerned about recoil in a small, polymer-framed handgun. That is, until I actually fired it. I don't know how they did it, but IMHO this gun is pleasant to shoot. I use only 230 gr FMJ. It still amazes me how they manage to get 10 rounds of .45 in this gun. It's a handfull of whoop-a++.

As far as reliability, I've put more than 500 rounds through it. The very first two shots I took with it were FTF. Break-in, I guess, because every one since then has gone "bang".

The only thing I've had to change on it were the sights. As a matter of personal preference, I prefer the 3-dot sights over the 2-dot. I was able to adapt a set of inexpensive Wilson 1911 sights. There's a write-up somewhere on this board about it. I got the idea from another board member here.

As far as a holster, the Crossbreed is very comfortable, and reasonably priced. You can spend a lot more for a lot less holster (I have). Try it, you'll like it. Of course, ymmv.

ForumSurfer
March 10, 2010, 10:36 AM
Dang! Between the Slim Hawg and the Colt New Agent, they're starting to get 1911's down into a REAL CCW weapon! Nice pics!

I've never understood that pov. I've heard many people saying glock 19's are one of the greatest ccw sized weapons out there. I'm an average (read: no rolls around the belt) sized guy and a glock 19 makes me look like I have a midget under my shirt unless I dress like a bum. I've carried commander sized 1911's with no problem in a variety of holsters and wardrobes. IMO the best ccw sized weapon for me that I've ever handled was a bob-tailed commander.

My next 1911 purchase will be something along the lines of the one below. No ambi safety that adds more width, my index finger works just fine. Bob-tailed, blued frame and slide. Nothing fancy just de-horned, add some exotic and ultra thin grips (or some of wicked grip's stuff) and a decent trigger. That's my current wishlist.
http://www.edbrown.com/images/handguns/executivecarry2.jpg

Jonah71
March 10, 2010, 11:01 AM
Have you seen the Taurus 24/7 PT Pro Comp. .45 acp? If it's as dependable as my 9mm that is. A little heavy for a comp., and my 9mm was very tight to begin with but has been extremely dependable. Not a ftf or fte in over a yr. of moderate to heavy use. Some people say I just lucked out and got one of the good ones. Don't know how to respond to that. Could be true. I only know mine has always gone bang. So far.

Jonah71
March 10, 2010, 11:05 AM
But I must confess...the CZ 75B 9mm will likely be my next purchase. A.45 acp if I don't like the Kimber .45 I just got. Or otherwise I'll go with the CZ 9mm. What a beautiful gun.

bikerbill
March 10, 2010, 03:21 PM
I carry a Kimber UCII in a belt holster (I don't like IWB and don't carry that way.) 25 oz empty, 3-inch barrel and probably the most accurate gun I own for SD. I got the all-black model for under $700 NIB at a gun show ... I love it ...

IMTHDUKE
March 10, 2010, 03:31 PM
bikerbill....I too could never get used to the IWB.....Kimber Covert Ultra II here and I agree ....a shooter and a half.

MachIVshooter
March 10, 2010, 03:32 PM
My recommendation is none of the above until she's tried them. Not just a comfort issue; Subcompact .45's are difficult to control, and if it's to be a defensive gun, she needs to be able to handle it one handed and off balance. Most likely she cannot; My little sister is an avid shooter, she even competes with a Witness Limited in 10mm. Still, she cannot handle my S&W CS-45 authoritively enough for it to run reliably. It short cycles on her due to limp wristing, as her wrists and hands simply aren't strong enough. To get an idea of where her strength lies on the spectrum, she is 5'7", 140 pounds and very active with such things as horseback riding. In other words, pretty strong for a girl and very familiar with firearms, yet still can't handle a sub compact .45 under less than ideal conditions.

Just my $0.02

DevilDog0402
March 10, 2010, 04:38 PM
Colt Officer's ACP/Defender/New Agent or Springfield Ultra/Micro-compact.

Anna's Dad
March 10, 2010, 04:48 PM
The Colt Defender with aftermarket slimline grips (I use Alumagrips) is pretty thin/light.

ForumSurfer
March 10, 2010, 05:08 PM
(I don't like IWB and don't carry that way.)

I couldn't agree more. I don't like it at all. I don't like wearing baggy pants or pants 2" too wide. I liked a crossbreed supertuck the best of all that I tried and it was relatively comfortable, but my girlfriend said it makes me look like one butt cheek was 1" too wide. Why bother going IWB when I can have a high rise belt holster that is just as concealable with a short barrel?

My usual carry attire is a Kimber Pro CDP II in one of these:

http://www.mernickleholsters.com/ps/ps6r1/ps6r1.jpg

Edit: It has a neat little leather flap that pushes the barrel out just enough to keep the butt tight against me. It retains nicely and I am able to do yardwork, sit and stand with no issues. Some guy on the website claims his glock never left this holster when he was involved in a motorcycle accident. I find that one a bit hard to believe. I was in a bike wreck and it knocked the shoes off my feet, my sunglasses through my shattered visor, everything out of my pockets and a spyderco police edition out of my pocket and through some guy's front window 80 feet away. :scrutiny:

TXHORNS
March 10, 2010, 05:29 PM
Pick your flavor of 3"-4.25" 1911's and dress it to suit your needs. I personally like the 3 inchers for concealing, just easier for me.

Wish I could get my wife to carry something...

BP Hunter
March 10, 2010, 05:50 PM
AWWWW! Me like the 1911 compacts!:what: I am saving up and planning to trade in my Taurus PT145 for a Kimber Ultra Carry II.

S&Wfan
March 10, 2010, 09:45 PM
Kimber makes some sweet little .45s, including my ultra dependable, first generation Ultra CDP.

When my wife finally decided to get her CCW (after a lady she knows was brutally attacked) I let her try all my handguns.

Surprisingly . . . or maybe not . . . she rejected all my autos, from the little Kel-Tec P32 on up, including the Kimber. She thought the slides a little hard to have to deal with under stress.

Instead, she fell in love with the revolvers, especially my two 3" ones, a Model 65 S&W K-frame .357 and a custom chopped barrel Model 25-2 in .45ACP. Of the two though, she liked the smaller Model 65 the best.

Still not light and concealable enough though, I found her a S&W Model 37 Airweight J-frame . . . with a THREE INCH barrel. 14 oz. of serious concealable protection indeed!

Best of all, she shot it extremely well. Simple, foolproof, easy to shoot . . . it became her favorite handgun. As a firearms instructor for our sheriff's dept told her, she shoots it better than many of the department deputies.

THAT'S finding the right handgun that your loved one will have confidence in and actually use and carry.

Guys CANNOT choose a handgun for their significant other. They approach it with a more open mind than we do, and choose a handgun for really practical reasons.

I recommend guys and gals check out the website, "the cornered cat.com" . . . written by a lady moderator emeritus of this forum. It is eye-opening indeed!

Full Metal Jacket
March 10, 2010, 10:00 PM
amt backup. (hey, you asked for the smallest, not the most reliable or comfortable to shoot).

dal205
March 10, 2010, 10:08 PM
I agree with hmphargh that Kahr PM45 is a good choice. I have a Glock 30 SF (45 acp) that is 10+1.
The S&W M&P45C also caught my attention because it has a manual safety.

I've researched this whole pocket rocket thing at length for a good, compact .45 and ended up with my G30 SF.

If you compare barrel length to gun length/gun size ratio, Glocks provide the longest barrels given the guns dimensions which is good for .45 acp because some people will criticize that .45 acp only belongs in a 5'' barrel--1911 lovers...:rolleyes:

I just got through searching for a good large caliber CC piece in the 6-7" size range and I decided on the G36, which I carry IWB with a Blackhawk holster. I liked the way it felt over the G30, M&Ps, Smiths, & XDs. I kind of preferred the way the small 1911's felt in my hand, but liked the longer barrel in the same size package, and the less weight, of the G36. And, with the Pearce +1 extension, you can carry 7+1. I don't feel undergunned when I carry it.

Recoil wise, I don't think the G36 is that bad. Definitely more than my PT92 9mm, but I think the G36 is more comfortable to shoot than either my PF9 or LCP.

PigButtons
March 10, 2010, 10:26 PM
I have both a Kahr PM9 and a PM45. There really isn't that much difference in the recoil. But the PM45 is almost as big in overall length as a Colt Officer's model. The grip is about 3/4 of an inch shorter and much smaller in diameter. It is a great CCW.

bds
March 10, 2010, 11:04 PM
My Taurus PT145Pro is comparable in size to my Glock 27 with Pearce grip extension. Width is comparable too. FYI, I use Fobus paddle holster and it is the SAME holster for Springfield XD45.

Point to consider is the grip size. My Glock 30 grip is too big for my wife. The PT145Pro grip is fine for her hand size.

As for reliability, I have shot several thousands of various factory and reloads (FMJ/plated/lead) and it has yet to jam, FTF, FTE. In fact, I have tried to make it stovepipe by limp wristing and it cycles fine. The feed angle from magazine to ramp/chamber is great and 200 LSWC hops into the chamber better than 230 LRN.

Do give it a try and shoot it at a range if you can - and compare to other 45s. Wife likes the 1911s, but they would be too big for carry. And PT145Pro has 10 round double stack magazine.

Jonah71
March 11, 2010, 10:38 AM
I like the Kimber Pro BP 10 II, but right now in a shtf situation.....until I get some rounds through it, I'd grab my Taurus 24/7 PT Pro Comp 9mm. It's been tested and tried, and even though, by many accounts I'm just one of a very small group that have never had a sigle problem with this Taurus....I reach for what I know works.(I have to ammend here...every once in a while the spent casing is ejected right back over the top of my head. Kinda disconcerting.) Right now I'm carrying the Kimber IWB. LOL! Yep, it's concealed. If you're blind. But that's not why I bought it anyway. I was blinded by the $500 price. I really shouldn't be carrying it yet. Need more range time.

Jonah71
March 11, 2010, 10:44 AM
Thanks Cubj3.....I thought I was through looking for handguns. I want one. Thanks a lot for contributing to my addiction.

CubJ3
March 11, 2010, 11:37 AM
No worries Jonah! I'm an enabler! Your welcome AND sorry!

Ughh
March 11, 2010, 05:33 PM
My recommendation is none of the above until she's tried them. Not just a comfort issue; Subcompact .45's are difficult to control, and if it's to be a defensive gun, she needs to be able to handle it one handed and off balance. Most likely she cannot; My little sister is an avid shooter, she even competes with a Witness Limited in 10mm. Still, she cannot handle my S&W CS-45 authoritively enough for it to run reliably. It short cycles on her due to limp wristing, as her wrists and hands simply aren't strong enough. To get an idea of where her strength lies on the spectrum, she is 5'7", 140 pounds and very active with such things as horseback riding. In other words, pretty strong for a girl and very familiar with firearms, yet still can't handle a sub compact .45 under less than ideal conditions.

Just my $0.02
Man, your $.02 cents is very valuable. I couldn't agree with you more. I've seen this too, women who shoot compact/sub compact .45s only to see the recoil climb several inches on them.

Not a good thing. :uhoh:

Ughh
March 11, 2010, 05:38 PM
I have both a Kahr PM9 and a PM45. There really isn't that much difference in the recoil. But the PM45 is almost as big in overall length as a Colt Officer's model. The grip is about 3/4 of an inch shorter and much smaller in diameter. It is a great CCW.
What!? Your 9mm, I'm assuming that's what a PM9 is, has less recoil than your .45?

I'm not calling you a liar or whatever, it's just... strikingly shocking. :eek:

DeepSouth
March 11, 2010, 05:44 PM
Kahr P/CW45 or PM45

More Specs on them:
http://www.kahr.com/dtlspec_cw4543.html

Not the cheapest, but probably the smallest.

WINNER!!!

The only other small 45 I know of is the AMT Back Up, and they don't make them any more, possibly because of that 15 lb trigger.

Here is my PM45 that I pocket carry, I love it.

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll388/hsmom22boys/Billys00/MyFamily368-1.jpg?t=1268347080

Ughh
March 11, 2010, 05:50 PM
DeepSouth, what brand cartridge is that? That's incredible expansion out of a short barrel.

I'm currently using Hornady's TAP 200gr +P JHP and i'm not getting wide enough expansion out of my Glock 30SF 3.78'' barrel.

makarovnik
March 11, 2010, 06:03 PM
Liberator or derringer. Why the smallest?

rogertc1
March 11, 2010, 06:09 PM
Semerling 45. Pic of mine with slide open

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/rogertc1/firearms/SemmerlingLM4.jpg

A SMALL and painfull to shoot Downsizer 45 single shot
over a Seecamp 32

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/wsp2.jpg

group photo of my little ones. The Derringer also has a bbl in 45APC too

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/rogertc1/firearms/Derringers2009.jpg

PigButtons
March 11, 2010, 09:18 PM
What!? Your 9mm, I'm assuming that's what a PM9 is, has less recoil than your .45?

I'm not calling you a liar or whatever, it's just... strikingly shocking. :eek:
Wow, I thought that I said not that much difference. How that became .45 was LESS THAN 9mm is beyond me. And yes, there isn't that much difference between the two. Especially when shooting +P from the PM9.

arizonaguide
March 11, 2010, 10:39 PM
This thread has turned out Awsome! I am learning a LOT!

The 1911 patterns just don't quite fit right even with the short triggers, so we're still leaning towards the Kahr. I wish I could get myself to trust the Taurus PT-145's because they also fit, and are much cheaper. But it's looking like a CW45 or perhaps a PM45 if we can swing the $$$. Thanks for all the good input, and any more advice is welcome!

Ughh
March 12, 2010, 01:37 AM
Wow, I thought that I said not that much difference. How that became .45 was LESS THAN 9mm is beyond me. And yes, there isn't that much difference between the two. Especially when shooting +P from the PM9.
Sorry, typo. I meant 'about same' not 'less'.

stupid me :p

carbuncle
March 12, 2010, 01:55 AM
S&W Chief's Special .45? I wouldn't kick one out of the safe, and I've heard good stuff about them from several owners.

http://mortonarms.com/GetImage.jsp?id=125005

PX15
March 12, 2010, 08:36 AM
FWIW:

I think of equal importance to size in a 45ACP cc pistol is that firearm choice being a da first round.

Or, a "cocked 'n locked" anything, no matter the quality, price, or size is simply not an acceptable choice FOR ME in a concealed carry weapon.

I love 1911's myself, but IMO that platform is not the best choice for a cc pistol..

The 45ACP I prefer to carry, when I carry a 45, is the 3rd Gen S&W CS45.

The only downside to the CS45 is many people are not happy with the thickness of the grips (a Hogue design I believe).. But there is a gentleman (BIGDOG's Delgrin Grips) that takes the thinner factory grips for other 3rd gen Smiths and "alters" them to fit, and function perfectly in the CS45 (or CS9), and from all I've read the altered grips are thinner, and are very popular.

I'm not a large person (ok, I'm a quasi-runt), but I find the factory grips on my CS45 just fine.

This is not a knock against the 1911 pistol, I just think that for the specific purpose of being carried concealed most folks want a firearm that can be "pulled" and fired without cocking/safety on/off concerns, and that's is something a 1911 does not offer.

Just personal opinion, no offense to ANYBODY.:)

Additionally 3rd GenSmiths have a reputation for absolute reliability, my number one priority in a firearm carried for self defense.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

P.S. As seen in the photo below the CS45 does have an external safety/decocker (both sides actually)for those who prefer them but when I carry my CS45 concealed I have the safety off, and rely on the heavier 1st round d/a trigger pull to prevent accidental discharges.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_0030.jpg

arizonaguide
March 12, 2010, 11:20 AM
Wow, I like it.

I never even knew the CS45 existed. I LIKE the feel of the 6906, and this looks like a much smaller version of it. I don't suppose they still make them, but maybe I can find one on one of the forums.

Thank you Carb / PX15! I will attempt to find one to put a paw onto.

basicblur
March 12, 2010, 11:31 AM
I never even knew the CS45 existed.

Just be aware the thumb safety is "backwards"?
I've got a 4013TSW, and the only thing I don't like 'bout it is you have to swipe the thumb safety up, not down as a 1911.

Why in the world they designed it like this is beyond me? :banghead:

arizonaguide
March 12, 2010, 12:17 PM
YUP! they did the same thing on the Baby Eagles.
I LOVE the feel of the polymer baby eagle, but that backwards safety blew the purchase for me getting one.

At least the CS45 is a double action trigger, correct?
Hmmmmm...(thinking).

I wonder if they make a Blackhawk Serpa for the little CS45, or another (small) "retention" holster that covers the trigger well?

I carry a Double Action Revolver all the time (without a safety) and feel very comfortable with it in my Blackhawk Serpa. The HOLSTER itself acts as my safety...I even leave it in it at night by the bed, just for that reason. The SERPA is as much a part of my Jframe as the sites or the trigger for me now.
(love that thing!!!)
:cool:

PX15
March 12, 2010, 12:20 PM
arizonaguide:

CS45's were being produced as late as 9/06, as that's when my CS45 was produced.

I bought it online with less than 50rds fired (reportedly) and in like new condition for I think it was $450 about 2 years ago.

I am very high on my CS45.. It (so far) has been absolutely reliable, and surprisingly accurate at any reasonable self defense range.

As to the concern by basicblur about the safety being a bit unusual that's not a factor for me for cc because I do NOT keep the safety on anyway.. I let the heavier 1st round DA trigger pull do that job for me.

Best Wishes,

jesse

P.S. Here's a photo of my CS45 (top) and CS9.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_0039_01.jpg

arizonaguide
March 12, 2010, 12:26 PM
Okay, I think I've got it narrowed down to the CS45 or the Kahr CW45. :cool:
I like the "double action" type trigger pulls, since I'm USED to my revolver.
Both small enough for the wife in a pinch.

As to the concern by basicblur about the safety being a bit unusual that's not a factor for me for cc because I do NOT keep the safety on anyway.. I let the heavier 1st round DA trigger pull do that job for me.

EXACTLY what I was thinking! (thanks PX!) Don't have to worry about the hammer catching on something either, just LIKE my shrouded revolver, almost. THIS could work!

Averageman
March 12, 2010, 07:15 PM
I am surprised no one has reccomended a H&K USP C.
Although by far not the smallest I find it a nice compromise in size and reliability in a .45.
I have found that most Women can handle a full sized auto or revolver with some time, training and patience. I think with the H&K USP C you just also get the convienance and reliability that will ensure She will carry it with comfort.

arizonaguide
March 12, 2010, 07:50 PM
With the typical Arizona clothes, it's got to be a small (3" - 3.5") barrel.

Don't get me wrong, we have bad weather also, just not very often.

For example, last week we had a situation in our back yard that was rather shocking.
...witness the wrath of mother natures fury in Arizona!!!...
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy70/arizonaguide/naturespower.jpg

So, most of the time it's gotta be a VERY small CCW rig.

outerlimit
March 12, 2010, 07:54 PM
They are still on the (slow) S&W website, so I have to assume they are still being produced. Especially since there's a good market for them. I might even have to take a closer look at these as I've always seen them around, but never paid them too much attention. I'm not a big fan of that safety. I could go for a decocker only version.

kowenjr
March 12, 2010, 08:06 PM
Wow, Did you seek shelter?

arizonaguide
March 12, 2010, 09:01 PM
Wow, Did you seek shelter?
EXACTLY! (he he LOL!) I just wanted to rub that in for folks back East right now! ;)

Hey, I didn't know they were still produced. I've got to check out the S&W website! Thanks, Outerlimit.

gym
March 13, 2010, 02:55 PM
I have been seaching for the answer to this question for 40 years now. I finally got as close to the answer as I think I am going to get in a CS45. Although a little blocky, it is still smaller than my glock 30, with a saftey/decocker and a 7 round 6+1 capacity. I traded my G23 plus a whole lotta stuff for one. It's a small deadlly package, with hydrashocks, I would rather have 7 rounds of 45 than 10 rounds of 9mm.A clip is just a second away. If you hit your target with this gun, it will stay down. I have carried everything that you can imagine over 40 years of carrying, and I know that if I have to fire this cannon, the bad guy is going to be very uncomfortable even with a shoulder or leg hit. A 45 is just a heart stopper. If they made a 46 I would carry that. a 50 is just too big and not enough weapons to choose from let alone conceal.

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