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autospike
March 8, 2010, 10:59 PM
Please :-)

Should employers be allowed to prohibit guns in cars on employee parking lots?

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chris in va
March 8, 2010, 11:09 PM
Last time I hit a pole, the car didn't fare so well.

bds
March 9, 2010, 12:42 AM
I hit the poll! :D

No - 51%
Yes - 44%
Not sure - 5%

Azul
March 9, 2010, 01:03 AM
Should property owners be allowed to set rules for those who are on their property?

Yes, of course. Thankfully, rules of this kind are impossible to enforce.

I hate polls like that. Vote yes in support of property rights, and your vote is misconstrued to be anti-gun sentiment.

sv51macross
March 9, 2010, 01:12 AM
The question though is the property of grounds and the property of the automobile. I support the idea that the property owner has the right to decide whether or not firearms are on the premises. But I also believe that an automobile is an extension of an individual's private property, and as such, should be allowed to have whatever lawful items he/she wants inside.

azyogi
March 9, 2010, 01:33 AM
Employer rights are not absolute, does an employer have the 'right' to demand kickbacks, or sexual favors. Do they have the 'right' to demand you vote 'properly', or 'donate' to the correct cause. In the case of property rights, the right of self defense should come first. If a company bans guns, they ban me. I simply do not take my custom to these places, they either change or go out of business. If you can't beat them at the statehouse, vote with your feet. AZ now has a law forbidding these bans.

oasis618
March 9, 2010, 01:40 AM
Thankfully employers don't really have that option. I could prohibit crap on my neighbor's lawn too but it wouldn't really make much of a difference now would it?

cleardiddion
March 9, 2010, 02:31 AM
Last time I hit a Pole he hit me back! :p
I hit the poll up though.

Azul
March 9, 2010, 02:35 AM
But I also believe that an automobile is an extension of an individual's private property, and as such, should be allowed to have whatever lawful items he/she wants inside.

Absolutely. I consider my body my private property as well, and I should be able to wear whatever I please on it, whether that be a sequin jacket or a slung rifle. And a property owner should be able to prohibit me from entering their property because of my sequin jacket or my slung rifle, just as they should be able to prohibit me from parking my car with my gun in it on their parking lot. Just because your car is your private property does not make the area it occupies in their parking lot your private property as well.

Employer rights are not absolute, does an employer have the 'right' to demand kickbacks, or sexual favors. Do they have the 'right' to demand you vote 'properly', or 'donate' to the correct cause.

I would argue that employers should be able to demand sexual favors or demand that I vote a certain way. And I have every right to not work there.

There is no fundamental difference between laws prohibiting employers from banning guns in their parking lots and laws setting minimum wages or requiring employers to provide certain benefits to their employees. It is all about a sense of entitlement among workers. Employers do not exist in order to give you a job. They exist only to make a profit for themselves. Since they do not exist for you, you really have no right to make demands from them. If you choose to trade your time/labor in exchange for a bit of their profit, then you must live by the terms set at the time of your employment. If one of those terms is that you cannot have a gun in your car in their parking lot, then that's just the goose you plucked. That's that.

azyogi
March 9, 2010, 04:55 AM
Would you really shop at such a place. Yes they can demand such at the risk of having no customers. No workers also = no profit.

Chrispy
March 9, 2010, 07:36 AM
Well put, Azul. I agree with you 100%.

deadeyedog270
March 9, 2010, 07:38 AM
my sister hit a pole with my truck last week :)

yes-42%
no-54%
not sure-4%

ezypikns
March 9, 2010, 09:17 AM
Thankfully employers don't really have that option.

In the state of Texas they do. The Texas State Rifle Association and the NRA have been trying to pass legislation here to allow CHL holders to keep their weapons inside their locked cars while parked on employers property, but have not been successful due to the enormous influence of Business here in Texas.

And does anyone remember Kerr McGee firing all those Oklahomans a few years ago on the opening day of deer season? The NRA came to the rescue of those ex-employees and filed a big lawsuit in thier favor, which they won. The Oklahoma legislature immediately passed a law prohibiting employers from doing just those sort of things, but Kerr McGee's (a big employer all over Oklahoma) lawyers just as quickly got a state judge to issue an injunction against the newly passed law. I'm not sure where things stand now. Maybe someone from Oklahoma can tell us.

Think the law will protect you against an employer searching your car, or prohibiting you from having a firearm in a locked vehicle? Of course, you can always refuse, with the likely outcome of your being fired.

Maybe in your state they can't do this, but they can here anyway.

IllHunter
March 9, 2010, 11:56 AM
Can the employer search the car? Can they search the employee. What about the concept that the right to swing your arm ends at my nose? I grant that employment is not a right and you could and should walk (run) from an employer that insists on searching your vehicle or person. But at some point this becomes not employment but servitude or slavery. The slave master doesn't have to feed the slaves and could kill them at will but the replacement cost and ill will engendered would undermine the endevor. What about the municipal employer, can they search employees cars parked on municipal streets? I believe this is how trade unions started and you can see how well that worked out for business!:eek: Ask GM if they can search employees cars!

bds
March 9, 2010, 10:47 PM
Some employers would perform cavity search before and after work if they could!

Just say no! And yes to gun owner rights! :D

5whiskey
March 9, 2010, 11:58 PM
Should property owners be allowed to set rules for those who are on their property?

Yes, of course. Thankfully, rules of this kind are impossible to enforce.

I hate polls like that. Vote yes in support of property rights, and your vote is misconstrued to be anti-gun sentiment.

My thoughts. Azul it everything on the head though.

mnrivrat
March 10, 2010, 02:22 AM
I would argue that employers should be able to demand sexual favors or demand that I vote a certain way. And I have every right to not work there.


You and Henry Ford would have gotten along well . I don't think either demands above are legal today , but then all are intitled to an opinion.

I don't think it is a property rights issue for example . After all, what other items are talked about as being subjectively banned from an employers parking lot ?

BlisteringSilence
March 10, 2010, 06:42 PM
Yes
35%

No
61%

Not sure
4%

Votes Cast: 794

hso
March 10, 2010, 07:17 PM
Folks, Activism isn't a discussion forum. If you want to carry out a discussion not directly related to voting in the poll AND it's related to RKBA you're welcome to take it to Activism Discussion. OTOH if you're not going to limit the discussion to firearms or RKBA there isn't any place for it on THR.

BlayGlock
March 10, 2010, 07:50 PM
I just hit it.

Yes- 34% (friggin commies)
No- 62% (Rational folks)
Unsure- 4%

DFW1911
March 10, 2010, 08:48 PM
I hit it. Current status:

Should employers be allowed to prohibit guns in cars on employee parking lots?

Yes
34%

No
62%

Not sure
4%

Votes Cast: 826

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