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ruger1228
March 9, 2010, 09:22 AM
I am currently using 200gr LSWC from S&S casting for my 45ACP. After loading about 500 rounds I found that my crimp/seating die is covered on the inside with excess lube from these bullets.
Is this common with Lead cast bullets or is it inherent to S&S Cast bullets?
What are the experienced reloaders out there using?
Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanking all in advance for the assistance.
thom

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mcdonl
March 9, 2010, 09:25 AM
Missouri Bullet

Search this forum. The owners are members here and seem very nice and professional.

halfded
March 9, 2010, 09:38 AM
Search this forum

Or we could take an extra couple seconds and provide the link: :rolleyes:

http://www.missouribullet.com

ruger1228
March 9, 2010, 09:43 AM
Any problem with excess lube gumming up the dies with these Missouri Bullets?
thom

mcdonl
March 9, 2010, 09:43 AM
lol... sorry. I didnt think of that. OP, I was not trying to be an ass monkey.

jmortimer
March 9, 2010, 09:53 AM
The Missouri are inexpensive and a good value. They have limited selection especially if you like large meplats. If you want to step up to a better bullet with a heat-treated BHN of around 21 and one that will function in a semi-auto pistol flawlessly then check out this
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm
Depends on what you are looking for a cheap plinker or something for self defense.

Walkalong
March 9, 2010, 09:57 AM
There will be some build up with any lead bullets, but some are more offensive than others.

MissouriBullet
March 9, 2010, 10:16 AM
The Missouri are inexpensive and a good value. They have limited selection especially if you like large meplats. If you want to step up to a better bullet with a heat-treated BHN of around 21 and one that will function in a semi-auto pistol flawlessly then check out this
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm
Depends on what you are looking for a cheap plinker or something for self defense.
We have about 53 bullets in the line, which I do not think is a limited selection.

Brad

ljnowell
March 9, 2010, 10:17 AM
The Missouri are inexpensive and a good value. They have limited selection especially if you like large meplats. If you want to step up to a better bullet with a heat-treated BHN of around 21 and one that will function in a semi-auto pistol flawlessly then check out this
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm
Depends on what you are looking for a cheap plinker or something for self defense

BS! Any of Missouri bullets Auto bullets will feed just fine. You DO NOT need 21bhn for anything realistic. All I see is leading occuring. Missouri bullet offers all of their bullets in a 18bhn, which is hard enough for any magnum velocity.

This isnt the first time you have posted that, but can you explain to me how they have more variety than Missouri Bullet? Beartooth offers ONE .45acp bullet. Missouri bullet offers SEVEN and you can have them in your choice of hardness.

Its OK to push your favorite, but you shouldnt lie to a newbie.

bluetopper
March 9, 2010, 10:18 AM
I'd rather have a little excess lube on my bullets as too little. I wouldn't fault the maker for getting too much lube on a batch.

MetalMan52
March 9, 2010, 10:43 AM
I can highly recommend the Missouri Bullets in .45 acp. I have shot litterly thousands of their 200 gr. IDP#4-xp in three different pistols with absolutely no problems. They are accurate, no problems with feeding at all and you will not load up your reloading equipment with lube. I have also shot their .45 cal 230 gr. soft ball with the same great results. I also shoot their 9mm 125 gr softball out of multiple pistols and have had the same experience with them.
I do know what you mean about lube building up in your die. I have purchased cast bullets from another supplier with a softer lube and it did build up quickly.
I hope this helps.
Pat

MulticalinMO
March 9, 2010, 11:10 AM
I use Missouri Bullets Softball! 230 gr. round nose with 5 gr. Bullseye. COAL at about 1.265. Works great and feeds in everything I have tried. The 200 gr Round nose Flat Point are also very good.

Skip in Kingsville

EddieNFL
March 9, 2010, 11:16 AM
You DO NOT need 21bhn for anything realistic.

BHN 20-22 works well in my TCs at 1800-2000FPS. Too hard for .45ACP, though.

bds
March 9, 2010, 11:45 AM
After loading about 500 rounds I found that my crimp/seating die is covered on the inside with excess lube from these bullets.

Is this common with Lead cast bullets or is it inherent to S&S Cast bullets?

All lead bullets with lube ring will cause lube build up in the seating die from lube being scraped off the side of bullets. I check my seating die between sessions (1000-2000 rounds) and clean as necessary. I also measure my initial several rounds for OAL quality check.

My retired bullet caster made lead bullets up to 24 BHN and it will still lead the barrel if your charge/velocity/barrel to bullet fit is too much. Leading depends on several variables, not just hardness of the lead alloy.

Give Missouri Bullets in 18 BHN for your 45 a try and you will find that Brad provides great products and customer service.

Try loading several mild loads and pick the most accurate load that functions your pistol well without leading your barrel. I load lead bullets to 5%-10% of max.

crashclint
March 9, 2010, 02:51 PM
I flare my case just enough to avoid scraping off the lube in my seating die. I really never load more than 500 at a time and always clean my seating and crimping dies afterward. I just started using Missouri 200 swc 12 bhn with 3.9gr of Bullseye with no leading.

IMHO Missouri Bullets quality is only surpassed by their customer service.

ruger1228
March 9, 2010, 05:23 PM
Thanks to everyone for your input. After reading all the replies, I am definitely going to order some 45 bullets from Missouri Bullets when I use up my current supply.
thom

schmeky
March 9, 2010, 05:55 PM
I'm late to this party, but Missouri Bullet. I just ordered 2,000 this morning. I would not be surprised to see them on my doorstep in a couple days.

Service is awesome and their bullets are as good as, if not better than, any other bullet caster.

Robert Palermo /Penn Bullets
March 9, 2010, 06:46 PM
I am currently using 200gr LSWC from S&S casting for my 45ACP. After loading about 500 rounds I found that my crimp/seating die is covered on the inside with excess lube from these bullets.
Is this common with Lead cast bullets or is it inherent to S&S Cast bullets?
What are the experienced reloaders out there using?
Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanking all in advance for the assistance.
thom
Chances are the bullets are not at fault but rather something in your reloading procedure. Seems like you might be shaving the sides of the bullet some and picking up some lube along the way and its getting shoved up into the die.
You might not be flaring the cases enough and you may be trying to seat and crimp in one operation which while certainly doable does make the flare more critical. Try flaring the case mouth out more and see if that rectifies the problem. If not then seperating the procedures by seating first then crimping most certainly will resolve the issue.
If the lube on the bullets is all over with excess lube then a switch over to another mfg. may be in order.

straitnate14
March 9, 2010, 06:52 PM
Another vote for Missouri Bullets. 5.1 gr green dot behind a 230gr soft ball and a lee factory crimp die they run great and dont leave that much lead.

idahoglock36
March 9, 2010, 06:57 PM
The only problem with Missouri Bullets is that they usually arrive on your doorstep before you order them :what:. How did they do that!

And a little lube will run into the die, but I think that is the case with most lead. MB are far better than others I've tried. Bell properly and it won't be much of an issue. That and a q-tip and carb cleaner to get the lube off the die, quick.

MissouriBullet
March 9, 2010, 07:02 PM
I'm late to this party, but Missouri Bullet. I just ordered 2,000 this morning. I would not be surprised to see them on my doorstep in a couple days.

Service is awesome and their bullets are as good as, if not better than, any other bullet caster.
Schmeky, we are out of the IDP #2's but will run them tonight. Your order will ship tomorrow. Be sure to tune us in on the shopcam and watch us make them. Well, I say "us", but I really mean Robert the Night Caster, as I am totally worn out after a very tough day watching the day shift work. Man, those guys work so hard it they just exhaust me :-)

straitnate14
March 9, 2010, 07:04 PM
It's fun when you order enough bullets that the mail lady cant get them out of the car and when she does she just dumps them out of the trunk on your driveway... She hates me but then again she has a tendency to give us the wrong mail all the time so it's kinda mutual.

mckay9892
March 9, 2010, 07:19 PM
Can't comment on the bullet yet, have not had time to load any, but ordered 2000 230gr LRN on thurs at 11pm and they arrived at USPS @ 9 am mon. Thats 80 % of the battle customer service.

NuJudge
March 9, 2010, 07:51 PM
If you are having a problem with lube building up in your Seating die, it is probably causing a decrease in your OAL, a bad thing. Because of this problem, I like the Dillon Seating die in pistol calibers: it can be disassembled for cleaning withou losing your settings.

CDD

cmgred
March 9, 2010, 11:07 PM
I used to use S&S, didn't have any problems with them.

After finding this site and the discount on Missouri Bullets, I'm happy with the product, service, and able to support a Missouri business. I can pay state tax and still get a slightly better price!

crashclint
March 10, 2010, 12:12 AM
If you are having a problem with lube building up in your Seating die, it is probably causing a decrease in your OAL, a bad thing. Because of this problem, I like the Dillon Seating die in pistol calibers: it can be disassembled for cleaning withou losing your settings.

CDD
+1, it takes literally 2 seconds to pull the retaining pin and remove the die. I love my 550B.

Dodge DeBoulet
March 10, 2010, 08:41 AM
For the record, the Hornady Nitride dies are the same. Pull the ring clip and the seating assembly drops right out. No worries about having to readjust after cleaning . . . at least when used in a LnL (Lock 'n Load bushings).

schmeky
March 10, 2010, 01:29 PM
Schmeky, we are out of the IDP #2's but will run them tonight. Your order will ship tomorrow. Be sure to tune us in on the shopcam and watch us make them. Well, I say "us", but I really mean Robert the Night Caster, as I am totally worn out after a very tough day watching the day shift work. Man, those guys work so hard it they just exhaust me :-)

Brad,

Absolutely no problem. A delayed order from you is still faster than anyone else!! Who else would take the time to let a pee-on like me know what's up with an order. Service, service, service!!!

You Da' man Brad:p

more forty fives
March 10, 2010, 02:09 PM
I have to clean my die with any bullet i use.It's a good habit to get into anyway.I just shot my first Missouri bullets yesterday I really like there 250 gr.pin-buster .452 bullet in my 1911 great fun.I checked out bear tooth they only had one 45acp bullet 225gr.I'll stick with Missouri.

solvability
March 10, 2010, 02:14 PM
Missouri Bullets is my favorite - really nice bullets.

I looked at the price on those Bearclaw - are they silver - 170 per K for 9mm - you gotta be kidding.

jmortimer
March 10, 2010, 08:50 PM
.$ .17 cents for a top of the line bullet is not out of line - heat treated to 22 BHN and can be driven to max velocity - includes gas check for most bullets. Their bullets are designed for hunting and self-defense - same type of bullet loaded by Buffalo Bore and Double Tap which is expensive ammunition. If you just shoot paper then Missouri Bullet product is great - if you hunt and get out in the "woods" then the better bullet is worth every penny especially if you encounter a bear. Their bullets are targeted mostly at revolvers at max velocity and not small caliber pistols where the Missouri bullet seems to be a better choice.

EddieNFL
March 10, 2010, 08:58 PM
.$ .17 cents for a top of the line bullet is not out of line - heat treated to 22 BHN and can be driven to max velocity - includes gas check for most bullets.

If I were hunting with a TC or looking for something to take down the rams, it may be a good deal. But...for a 9MM that's bit like using racing fuel in a Yaris.

BlayGlock
March 10, 2010, 09:13 PM
http://www.precisionbullets.com/

These are my favorite.

solvability
March 11, 2010, 11:50 AM
Next time I hunt bears with a 9mm I know where to get my bullets. I will ask for prayers before I go.

TonyAngel
March 12, 2010, 12:39 AM
I have to give a nod to MBC too. I have yet to have to wait more than three days for my order to arrive. I've heard that Dardas has good bullets and I ordered some, but they are experiencing shipping delays. It's a shame, it's only been just over a week since I ordered and I'm getting impatient. MBC has me spoiled.

schmeky
March 12, 2010, 10:05 AM
Agree with TonyAngel,

I bought some Dardas about a year ago. They were excellent cast bullets and were extremely accurate. The only thing I did not care for was the delivery, which was 4 weeks. Not a problem at all, not a complaint, Dardas is great stuff.

But when you can have something on your door in 2-3 days, for less money (used the THR discount code on my last MBC order;) ), and the performance is not compromised. . . . . . . . . . .

ruger1228
March 12, 2010, 02:40 PM
Schmeky- What is the THR discount you are talking about in your previous post?
thom

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