Glock 21sf or Springfield XD 45...


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TJ42
March 9, 2010, 05:23 PM
Glock 21sf or Springfield XD 45 service 4"...for general home defense and occasional carry? And why would you choose one over the other?

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Balrog
March 9, 2010, 06:17 PM
I have had both. I would go with the Glock. Glocks are more plentiful, parts are everywhere, and you can pretty much rebuild your Glock yourself just watching videos on youtube.

The Glock feels more solid to me (this is subjective).

The Glock will have better resale value if you decide to get rid of it one day.

Glock magazines are cheaper and easier to find.

The Glock does not have a grip safety, and while the grip safety is nice in some ways, it is also one more thing to go wrong.

bkjeffrey
March 9, 2010, 06:24 PM
Im a Glock fan. I hate the XD line......Sorry guys.

But until Glock hashes out the issues with the ambi-mag release on th 21sf line I would hold out. Other that that the 21sf is a fine hand gun that will serve you just fine.
I own a 21sf with the ambi-mag release and its been nothing but problems since I took the gun out of the box. Give Glock some time to get it right. They will.

Or just go with a standard G21. Thats what I would do if I had to do it all over again.

19-3Ben
March 9, 2010, 06:55 PM
Right now my answer would be the XD45.

Better ergos, and one of my LGS's has a sale on them right now for $429.

jem375
March 9, 2010, 07:11 PM
I would also pick the XD45, own one and have shot the G21 and didn't like it as much...

Full Metal Jacket
March 9, 2010, 08:08 PM
i've owned both the glock21sf and the xd45, and i would say go with glock, without question!

ByAnyMeans
March 9, 2010, 08:50 PM
I have no experience with either so I would shoot them a bit and see which felt and shot best for me. I personally use a Glock 26 so I do like them but have only a 1911 in .45acp.


If it's for occasional carry you may want to also try the Glock 30. I am not sure if the XD comes in a subcompact but check it out. The reason I go G26 is it can switch form a nice carrying subcompact to compact or fullsize grip with a magazine change. It's quite adaptable to the situation.

bk1
March 9, 2010, 08:57 PM
From everything I have read, it comes down to personal preference. I have both and like how the grip feels on the XD better than the 21sf. Other than that, both are super reliable and do their job if you can do yours.

You often read the "rent or try both and see what fits for you" and I think this is a case where I will re-use that same advice I have seen many times.

I would say, try both and unless the XD feels better and points better for you go with the 21sf.

David E
March 9, 2010, 09:12 PM
I own a 21sf with the ambi-mag release and its been nothing but problems since I took the gun out of the box. Give Glock some time to get it right.

I've had zero problem with mine. What's yours doing ?

Another gun to consider is the M&P in .45 acp from S&W.

Mikeybudo
March 9, 2010, 09:35 PM
I have a 21SF with ambi. mag. release. No problems at all.

Ughh
March 9, 2010, 10:22 PM
I have had both. I would go with the Glock. Glocks are more plentiful, parts are everywhere, and you can pretty much rebuild your Glock yourself just watching videos on youtube.

The Glock feels more solid to me (this is subjective).

The Glock will have better resale value if you decide to get rid of it one day.

Glock magazines are cheaper and easier to find.

The Glock does not have a grip safety, and while the grip safety is nice in some ways, it is also one more thing to go wrong.
Balrog, well said, i couldn't agree more on all those points. I've had a 21SF, sold it, and now i have a 30SF

XD's feel better, slightly, but the trigger is mooshier than the Glock out-of-the-box especially the XDms, by far.

First time my bro shot our friends XD40, it jammed several times with factory loads. Not 1 hiccup, not 1 FTF or FTE so far in my G30SF with the cheapest factory loads. :D

Full Metal Jacket
March 9, 2010, 10:51 PM
^^^mirrors my xd experience. mine was a jamming piece of crapola.

Mr.Davis
March 9, 2010, 11:14 PM
Go with the XD so you can have fun trolling the Glock owners along with us :evil:

Both are excellent firearms. I suggest shooting both and selecting the one whose grip angle better fits you.

cmcmillen
March 9, 2010, 11:16 PM
Have you looked at the FNP 45? I also looked the the other two you mention and chose to go with it instead. It's all personal preference.

General Tso
March 9, 2010, 11:18 PM
Glock. Why get the imitation? That's how I see it.

Gryffydd
March 9, 2010, 11:19 PM
Get whichever one fits your hand best.

John Wayne
March 9, 2010, 11:23 PM
I'd say M&P, then Glock, then XD. I like my XDM9 a lot, but I'm not a huge fan of the regular XD line.

While Glock is not my favorite, they do have a reliable .22 LR conversion available, and can also change calibers very easily. The G21 can also be converted to shoot 10mm.

So, for a dedicated .45, get the M&P. I like the way it feels better. If you're looking for a versatile, "do-all" gun, get the Glock. The XD45 doesn't have a lot going for it, IMO.

Mikhail Weiss
March 9, 2010, 11:32 PM
Glock 21sf or Springfield XD 45 service 4"...for general home defense and occasional carry? And why would you choose one over the other?


Springfield XD.

I like Glocks in every other caliber, but their .45 models, SF or not, don't feel nearly as comfortable in my hand as the XD, and that lack of comfort isn't sufficiently compensated by the Glock's Lego-like parts abundance and swap-ability. I'd likely have the XD trigger improved though.

Mr.Davis
March 9, 2010, 11:36 PM
Glock. Why get the imitation? That's how I see it.
Buying a car? Go Model T. Why get the imitation? That's how I see it.

The only thing a Springfield XD has in common with the Glock is a polymer frame and striker-fired design.

/runs screaming out of the thread

shootinxd
March 9, 2010, 11:50 PM
Pull the slide from the frame,look at how both are built.You'll chose the XD.But you need to shoot them both for yourself.Carry guns are a personal choise-Yours!

Deadheadted37
March 10, 2010, 12:00 AM
Shot them both, I bought the XD

Most of my shooting buddies have tried to get me to drink the Glock kool-aid but it had affect on my. The funny thing is they are starting to buy XD's and selling or sidelining there Glocks.

Ughh
March 10, 2010, 12:02 AM
The only thing a Springfield XD has in common with the Glock is a polymer frame and striker-fired design.


Yep, but guess who pioneered the polymer frame design: Glock. Every company now makes polymer pistols following Glocks great success. Even S&W new owners made a plastic gun with the M&P because they see this technology going somewhere and they want to get back on top of the pistol hierarchy like back in the 'ol days.

The list of companies go on that made polymer pistols to go up against Glocks, springfield-armory XDs & XDm, Sig Sauer with the sp2022 and it's predecessors, CZ, etc, etc....

Ughh
March 10, 2010, 12:04 AM
However Eugene Stoner was the first, period, to use plastic with the....

--If you have to ask, then your just silly :neener:

David E
March 10, 2010, 12:11 AM
but guess who pioneered the polymer frame design: Glock.

Sorry, no. Might want to do some more research on this one.

HK's VP-70, introduced in 1970, was the first poly framed handgun. It pre-dated the Glock by 12 years.

Full Metal Jacket
March 10, 2010, 12:47 AM
I'd say M&P, then Glock, then XD.


i'd say glock, m&p, hi-point, then xd :evil:

Ughh
March 10, 2010, 01:15 AM
HK's VP-70, introduced in 1970, was the first poly framed handgun. It pre-dated the Glock by 12 years.
hmm, interesting. Learning something new everyday. :p

Ok lemme rephrase: Glock pioneered the first successful polymer framed pistols. :D

JTQ
March 10, 2010, 07:42 AM
bkjeffrey wrote,
But until Glock hashes out the issues with the ambi-mag release on th 21sf line I would hold out. Other that that the 21sf is a fine hand gun that will serve you just fine.
I own a 21sf with the ambi-mag release and its been nothing but problems since I took the gun out of the box. Give Glock some time to get it right. They will.

I'm not a Glock guy, by any stretch of the imagination, but Glock does have the 21sf with the Glock rail and just a single side mag release.

It is the most comfortable Glock 21 I've handled. I would also pick the regular 21 over the 21sf with the ambi-mag release and I have relatively small hands. I don't find the ambi-mag release Glock 21sf comfortable.

schmeky
March 10, 2010, 10:22 AM
I have owned Glocks for many years. I recently borrowed a friends tricked out G21 since I was looking to buy a polymer .45. I shot the G21 "OK". I decided to try an XD .45 Tactical. I like it. I like it a lot. I shot the stock XD better than the tricked G21.

I do agree with other posters about plentiful accessories and parts available for Glock. It's essentially the 1911 of the polymer world nowadays. The Glock is easy to work on, modify, and customize, my guess is resale would be better as well.

If you reload, you can shoot the XD cheaper since it has traditional land and groove rifling, i.e. it's cast bullet compatible.

But from my own shooting perspective, I prefer the XD, and I did put my money where my mouth is:rolleyes:.

jonboynumba1
March 10, 2010, 10:25 AM
I have both in the counter right now...I've owned the older regular G21 myself and loved it...the new SF model deffinately feels better! That said the XD 4" feels a WORLD better still...I think it would be a hard call...for me at this point I think the knod goes to the XD for feel and ergonomics....for sure if you have smaller than large or XL hands!

atomd
March 10, 2010, 10:58 AM
I've owned the XD45 service model and put thousands of rounds through them with no issues. I thought it was a good gun, accurate and reliable. The trigger was mediocre at best but so is the Glock trigger. In .45ACP I shoot pretty much all 230 grain LRN bullets so I would have had to spend an extra $100 for a barrel for the Glock to shoot softer lead bullets (yeah, I know some people think that's nonsense but that's what I'd do). Overall I like the grip of the XD better but I don't like that they don't release individual parts for sale and they are more of a pain to work on at home compared to Glock. I sold it because in .45ACP, I am really more of a fan of the 1911 platform in general, but that's a whole different story.

Just One Shot
March 10, 2010, 11:07 AM
:eek:
I traded a Glock 30 .45 for an XD .45 Service.

Does that give you an indication of my preference?
:)

All of my XD's had a better trigger out of the box than any Glock I've ever owned.

My M&P .40 Compact has a better trigger than Glock. Sure, sure you can do a trigger job on any of them but I'm comparing the factory triggers.
:neener:

harmon rabb
March 10, 2010, 11:55 AM
can't go wrong with either. see which points more naturally in your hand. the xd will be cheaper, but glock mags are a little cheaper.

General Tso
March 10, 2010, 12:00 PM
can't go wrong with either.

Very true!

Sapper771
March 11, 2010, 09:48 AM
I have owned 3 XDs in 45, I traded or sold them all.. I have owned Two Glock 21s, and I still have one of the two.

I originally carried a Glock 21. I Got the XD to see if it could replace the G21.
I liked the XD because of the grip angle and the comfortable grip. I didn't like the XD because of the trigger reset and the fact that I couldn't completely disassemble the pistol without knocking out roll pins. I got a XD tactical with intentions of sending it off to get a trigger job, but that fell through when money got tight. After a while, I decided to go back to my G21. Soon after that, the G21SF came out. I started hunting one in area shops so I could compare it to my G21. After about 2 months, a gun shop got one in and I was able to compare it. I had the G21SF(ambi) in my hand for about 10 seconds , then I told them that I would take it. I sold my G21 and I still have the G21SF.
I prefer the Glock over the XD because : I have more experience with the Glock system, the Glock system is K.I.S.S. simple, I know how to fully disassemble the glock and repair it (if needed) without serious tools, I can buy $30 worth of parts and have an excellent trigger on the Glock ( vs $80-$120 for the trigger kits for the XD).
Most of my reasons for choosing glock are of MY own preference, YMMV. I did not have any trouble with the XDs that I owned, they just couldn't deliver like my Glock could. I did have a grip reduction done on my G21SF to get rid of the grip hump, which turned out to be well worth the money.

Ughh
March 11, 2010, 06:21 PM
can't go wrong with either. see which points more naturally in your hand. the xd will be cheaper, but glock mags are a little cheaper.
He's right, but only because they're trying to launch the whole XDm. Even so, the price difference is minuscule compared to the grand scheme of pistol prices; If you like the Glock, spend a little more, if you prefer the XDm over the XD and Glock, then spend even a bit more.

Just get whatever you'll be happy and comfortable with. It's practically just a hundred dollar difference between the 3 aformentioned.

I'm surprised that nobody, even myself, had mentioned that it's what you would like.

Ughh
March 11, 2010, 06:26 PM
I have owned Glocks for many years. I recently borrowed a friends tricked out G21 since I was looking to buy a polymer .45. I shot the G21 "OK". I decided to try an XD .45 Tactical. I like it. I like it a lot. I shot the stock XD better than the tricked G21.


That's not fair; Apples and oranges. XD .45 tactical has a 5'' barrel for better accuracy especially for the .45 as some people will criticize that .45 acp only belongs in 5'' barrels--1911 lovers :rolleyes:.

Not to mention longer sight radius than the Glock.
And also not to mention, Glocks 'dot in a box' sights, I admit, is rather sad. :(

devildog66
March 11, 2010, 06:31 PM
+1 again on the Glock for the after-market aspect. Hard to go wrong with the Glock given the extensive after-market parts and ease of fitting them yourself. That said, I just chose a NIB but used XD 45 compact as the price was too good to pass up. I also find Springfield Armory customer service to be second to none with the exception of Wilson Combat.

Full Metal Jacket
March 11, 2010, 06:41 PM
Pull the slide from the frame,look at how both are built.You'll chose the XD

:eek::eek::eek:

TG13
March 11, 2010, 07:08 PM
XD-45..

Dee
March 11, 2010, 08:37 PM
I personaly went with the XD-45 service model as my first pistol. I chose it over the glock because I liked the looks, ergonomics, and yes even the grip saftey over the glock. I agree with what others have said; you should just try them both out and see which one you fits better for you though, I don't think you could go wrong with either one.

schmeky
March 11, 2010, 10:50 PM
Ughh,

I understand where you're coming from. But, the G21 I shot had a fully adjustable Dawson target sight on the back, and a matching Dawson front fiber optic. The G21 had the magwell extension and really nicely lightened and slicked up trigger (3.5 disconnector and 4# striker spring combined with a very nicely done .25 cent trigger job).

The XD was right out of the box. The ergonomics on the XD, for me, were much better. I think if the XD were tricked out (I'm working on that now as a matter of fact), the gap would widen with the XD fairing even better, in my hands that is.

basicblur
March 11, 2010, 11:09 PM
Can't really say much 'bout Glock as the grip angle never worked for me (YMMV), but AFA XDs...
Try 'em for fit, but you might consider the XD45 Compact instead of the XD45?
I like the shorter grip of the 45 Compact, and the second mag is the extended model should you ever find yourself in a situation where you need a reload (and if you do, you've probably waded into sumpin' deep and are going to want all the rounds you can get)! Short mag for CC, longer mag for HD and range work?

My main CCW is an XDSC9 (was XDSC40)-the XD 45 compact is on my short list of wants, but keeps getting pushed back.

nitzer
March 11, 2010, 11:21 PM
I've bought and sold an XD-9 Service (4"), an XD-9 sub-compact, and an XD-45 Tactical for different reasons, but none of those reasons were due to reliability. All of them were good guns, but I thought I had found or needed a different gun. I now own an XD-9 sub-compact again and an XD-45 compact. Neither has given the least bit of trouble. I seem to keep returning to the XD line. I did own a Glock 36 that I didn't care for. The grip angle and the fact it was very uncomfortable to shoot caused the sale. Having shot a Glock 17 and my XD-9 Service back to back, I preferred the XD since I was more accurate with it and was able to bring it back on target quicker. I've also shot a .40 cal Glock 22, but it was the same deal with the grip angle. Just didn't like it because it just didn't point naturally for me. I don't have anything against Glocks and I'm even contemplating trying out a G20SF since the SF feels better and seems to point better for me than the standard model. I think either gun would serve you well, but you might want to shoot them back to back just to be sure.

David E
March 11, 2010, 11:41 PM
So, what's the alleged problem with the 21-SF mag catch issues ?

You can't say you had problems then not respond to requests asking what those problems were.

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