Lee Three Hole Turret


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jsnake
March 10, 2010, 02:42 PM
Fellas,
Is there any good reason that an old auto-indexing lee three hole turret could not be setup to deprime/resize in first position, powder drop in the second, and use an RCBS tapercrimp/seater die in the third? I have read (here and elsewhere) that some prefer separate steps, but I like the combo RCBS die. Have used one in 40 and 45 for a while now (lead, plated and fmj).

Also, I would like to find another three hole turret press (auto-indexing). So, any leads would be appreciated. Thanks. Joe

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jfh
March 10, 2010, 02:44 PM
I see no reason not to set it up that way. In fact, one could use the standard Lee 3-die set that way--it's the way Richard Lee designed it. I think you can still order a Lee 3-die turret; check with Graf's.

Jim H.

jsnake
March 10, 2010, 02:47 PM
Thanks for the info. I believe all the new three hole presses are non autoindexing, but I will take a look.
Joe

jfh
March 10, 2010, 02:50 PM
Well, maybe they changed it--but turrets have always come with auto-indexing rods in the past. Graf's has an extensive inventory, and some items don't turn over, I think.

Of course, I bought mine about twenty years ago. If they are sold without them now, I'll bet a polite e-mail to Lee 'complaining' about this detail would elicit one at little or no cost.

Jim h.

jsnake
March 10, 2010, 02:53 PM
Thanks,
I can't really tell from graf's or from Lee's site if the three hole is auto-indexing. The four holers are called autoindexing but the three hole is just called a turret press. I will give them a call. Thanks again. Joe

Dimis
March 10, 2010, 03:54 PM
this one has the indexing rod shown so i can only assume that its an auto indexing system

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/40411-1.html

midway only listed the manual indexing 3 hole

most of the AI models have jumped to the 4 hole systems

jsnake
March 10, 2010, 04:06 PM
Many of the pics (e.g. Graf & Sons) show the indexing rod in the pic, but do not mention the auto indexing. They seem to all mention the auto indexing for the four holer.

Curious.
Joe

rfwobbly
March 10, 2010, 09:16 PM
I believe the Pro-1000 is (or was) available in 3 or 4 hole. However, the Pro-1000 was their first progressive and, unlike their more recent offerings, some people find it troublesome.

bds
March 10, 2010, 10:18 PM
* If your press is a turret press without an auto-index, you will need to order a new ram, part number TA 2269 ($7.00) if you wish to install the auto-index.
Right from Lee's website - http://www.leeprecision.com/html/catalog/turretpress.html



I believe the Pro-1000 is (or was) available in 3 or 4 hole ... some people find it troublesome.
Pro 1000 only comes with 3 hole turret. Yes, some find it troublesome ... I find it adorable progressive that pops out accurate match bullets. :D
FYI, if you deprime/size and hand prime separately, you can use the 3 holes for the rest of 4 die set.




By popular demand, the Turret Press is now available with a four station turret. This welcome upgrade allows you to install your Lee Factory Crimp Die, taper crimp die in the press. A simple conversion kit (below) is available if you want to add this feature to your 3-hole press.

Update your earliest turret press to the new 4-hole design. The update kit includes everything required to convert your turret press to a four position auto index tool. 20th Anniversary Special Part # 90933 $20 http://www.leeprecision.com/html/catalog/turretpress.html
MidwayUSA has the conversion kit for $14 - http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=206578

http://www.leeprecision.com/graphics/shoppingcart/4holetpupdatekit.JPG

swampboy
March 11, 2010, 12:37 AM
Pro 1000 only comes with 3 hole turret. Yes, some find it troublesome ... I find it adorable progressive that pops out accurate match bullets.
FYI, if you deprime/size and hand prime separately, you can use the 3 holes for the rest of 4 die set.

There you go giving me ideas! :rolleyes:
I prime off-press, sooo, I could start with primed brass, get a round with every pull of the handle and do away with one of the biggest gripes folks have with the 1000 (primer feed).

I'm thinkin' this method would be much faster than my turret and should run pretty much 100% without much tweaking.

GMFWoodchuck
March 11, 2010, 08:54 AM
I was going to start a thread of this sort. I had the same questions regarding the difference between the 4 hole and the 3 hole turret press.

Is one "better" than the other? Quality wise I mean. I could care less about one being an auto index or not. Actually I'm thinking that I would disengage the feature for the time being if I got one soon. But, there seems to be a significant difference in design between the Lee Turret versus the Lee Classic Turret presses.

jsnake
March 11, 2010, 09:56 AM
I think the pro 1000 might be a viable option for me since I prime by hand now anyway. However, the question remains. Does Lee still sell the three hole turret with autoindex?
Joe

jfh
March 11, 2010, 10:40 AM
GMFWoodchuck: Google is your friend; there are many discussions about these two presses in this forum. Here's some general observations:

1. The "original" turret--with the aluminum base--works just fine, save for the erratic primer capture problem. It is more limited in (rifle) cartridge size, and I think there is little doubt it will wear out faster. It is / was available with a 3-die setup; the 4-die turret upgrade kit is available as bds has shown. Generally, people have been satisfied with it.

2. The Classic Turret--with the cast iron base--works even better since it has an improved primer capture system. It is stronger and can handle bigger rifle cartridges; nobody has reported wearing it out. It is available only with a 4-die setup. People almost uniformly praise it has an excellent, best-value press.

AFAIK, either press will come with the auto-indexing rod. Lee's design, which enables removal or installation of that rod in seconds, is the ingenious part of this press for it allows real flexibility in adapting the press to different workflows. Use the press for rifle cartridge reloading? remove the rod and use it as a conventional turret / single stage press. Ready to load handgun cartridges for range fodder? Install the rod, and obtain quasi-progressive features for output of 150-200 rph.

The 4-die turret allows for separate seating and crimping dies, and I generally prefer that. However, the 3-die paradigm also can work just fine--it just takes a bit more fiddling with the seater-crimper to get it just so. I updated my standard Turret to a 4-die configuration nearly three years ago, and am entirely satisfied. Both presses can have the Safety Prime installed, and people have had trouble tweaking this to work reliably. Once it is sorted out, it works fine.

I've loaded perhaps 30,000 rounds on my updated / older Turret. It still works fine. Were I buying a new turret today, I'd get the Classic, no questions asked.

Jim H.

bds
March 11, 2010, 10:51 AM
Does Lee still sell the three hole turret with auto index?

No - That's why Lee offers the auto index kit ($14).

MidwayUSA has the 4-Hole with auto index for $73 and 3-Hole with manual index for $68. $68 + $14 = $82, so it's cheaper to just get the 4-Hole.

As jfh posted, there's definite difference between regular 4-Hole Turret and the Classic Turret. Not only is it cast iron, the rest of press design and parts are better too. Classic press is $95 - http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=1&categoryId=8605&categoryString=9315***731***680***&brandId=1262&sortBy=RetailPrice%20asc

If you are going for a Turret press only, many here consider the Classic worth the extra money - and I would agree. BTW, I have been loading over 250,000+ rounds the past 15+ years on my two Pro 1000 and plan on continuing - why fix something that's not broken? $78 and $159 for the kit - http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=1&categoryId=8601&categoryString=9315***731***680***&brandId=1262&sortBy=RetailPrice%20asc


---------- Regular Turret ------------------- Classic Turret ---------------------- Pro 1000 ------------------------- Pro 1000 kit:
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jsnake
March 11, 2010, 12:25 PM
Lee just emailed me and the current three hole is NOT auto-indexing. Only the four holers come with auto-indexing.
Thanks guys.

Joe

GMFWoodchuck
March 11, 2010, 04:14 PM
@JFH. You seem to think the classic is the better machine. Good enough for me.

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