[boogalou]

Ok, guys & gals, show us your favorite CZ.

[Roger Williams]

Here's my 75B mil with wood grips next to a Trace Rinaldi L.E.O.

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/knifesturbator20/CZ_LEO.jpg

[Dave Markowitz]

Here's my 1954 CZ-52 that I got last Saturday. I plan to shoot it during my vacation next week:

http://www.building-tux.com/images/cz52_800x600.jpg

[GeneS]

OK, here's the CZ-75B SA.


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=486908

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Help!!! I hear alot about the CZ75 here, but I do not get around much. I did no research. I just looked at the pictures.

Is the CZ a knock off of the BHP?

Please excuse my ignorance.

[Nightcrawler]

CZs do indeed have some Browning lineage in them.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=481353

CZ-97B .45ACP on top.

[Roger Williams]

Is the CZ a knock off of the BHP?

No. Not a knockoff. They look similar, but they are totally different guns.

On the other hand, there are knockoffs of the 75B...

[Nightcrawler]

Mr. Williams is correct. The CZ is one of the more-copied designs out there. Copies, clones, or derivatives include the EAA/Tangifolio Witness and the IMI Jericho 941. There are others.

[Roger Williams]

Hey Nightcrawler - nice 97!!

I have been looking for one of those for a good long while. At the last gun show I went to I finally saw one for $399!.... and I was of course flat broke. Argh!!

How do you like it? Does it shoot nice? If it's anything like my 75, it's one heck of a great firearm.

[Nightcrawler]

Grip might be long for you, but I find it way more comfortable than a Glock 21.

Shoots great, after a healthy break in period. Mine didn't like JHP ammo, but was stone cold reliable with ball, even with dirt in the action. Sent the barrel in for a (free) factory throat & polish.

I've also replaced the the guide rod and recoil springs. It's a little undersprung from the factory.

The trigger is like butter. The trigger on mine rivals triggers on Sigs. Very accurate, too, moreso than I can fully take advantage of.

[agony]

no pic of the preB CZ 85 yet, but here's the 75b:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p7bae3ad4ee62ff9e7edd80182886399c/fcf06749.jpg

[Prodigalshooter]

My 97B, .45ACP:cool:

[CZF]

Party On!! Joining the fun. CZUB Service Pistol 0-1:

[Roger Williams]

Another nice 97! Damn you guys are lucky! I'm jealous. :)

[Kamicosmos]

Here's another 97B. My official review of this gun? Love It!

http://www.kamicosmos.com/Firearms/CZ/cz97b.jpg

[George Hill]

http://www.madogre.com/images/CZ97image5%20(Medium).JPG
This image... that hole in the target is 3 rounds of .45ACP Triton Hi-Vels fired at 15 yards off hand. I have a witness. :D

[boing]

Before I changed the grips, and destroyed the barrel:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid51/pcbb07763535a7537a828ab680a81a7ee/fca19151.jpg

[N3rday]

Can yuo imagine how boring it would be to do this with Glocks?

Well this is my Glock in all black finish and the standard black slide....

What a coincidence, I have mine set up the exact same way!

[VG]

http://www.capinc.com/files/CZ85C_SIGP220_SW3913_RS.jpg

[Roger Williams]

Ok, ok, ok... you guys are driving me crazy! Enough with the 97's!!! I have GOT to get one. It will probably have to be after Christmas (I'm getting a .22 pistol - woo hoo! :D ) so all I can do for now is drool....


This image... that hole in the target is 3 rounds of .45ACP Triton Hi-Vels fired at 15 yards off hand. I have a witness.

Holy crap! That looks like one bullet hole! :D

Come on tax refund, Come on tax refund, Come on tax refund.....

[Shmackey]

This belongs to someone else now...

http://www.gregfeld.com/pics/CZLeftPlusAcc1.jpg

[WonderNine]

Can yuo imagine how boring it would be to do this with Glocks?

Well this is my Glock in all black finish and the standard black slide....

What a coincidence, I have mine set up the exact same way!

OMG! :D That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time! Hahahahaah!!!

What about those 12 round mags for the CZ97B? Any prebans out there for a decent price?

[RUT]

>>Enough with the 97's!!! I have GOT to get one<<

I'm starting to think the same way, and that's without having received my new "PCR" as yet!! When will it stop??:confused:

[Rangegod]

Here are 4 of my 5 (#2 PCR missed picture) plus Kadet Conversion.

JAC

[RUT]

>>Here are 4 of my 5<<

Stop it... stop it I tell you!!!

[PCRCCW]

Heres a couple I USED to have.....the SA Walt purchased. The Nickel Compact ....er, Walt got in trade..and the PCR is on my hip....

CZ's can be switched around and work AMAZINGLY WELL...just like these.http://www.imageseek.com/hbeleather/gallery/albums/custom/Imagination.jpg

Shoot well.....

[PCRCCW]

Heres my favorite halfbreed CZ...its a CZ SA 9mm frame with the PCR topend. In Czech. they make a Semi Compact..much like this..I just made my own...............Shoot well..........http://www.imageseek.com/hbeleather/gallery/albums/custom/HalfBreed.sized.jpg

[Lightsped]

Here is my CZ.

http://www.neospeed.org/images/mycz97bb.jpg

[tiberius]

Not a good pic, but here is my green tactical with all its gooies.

http://home.comcast.net/~tristram777/CZ-75Tactical.jpg

[JG]

85C......maybe I should start learning how to take a descent pic.

http://www.fototime.com/{E73D4438-4F8E-422F-8317-015FEE9CCB26}/picture.JPG

[Kestrel]

Has anyone with a compact 75 had any problems with the durabilty of the mags? The mags make me uncomfortable with those stupid cuts almost all the way around it. I know they did it to prevent them from being converted, but they should have designed it differently.

Steve

[boogalou]

Wow!

Some great guns. I'm with the rest of you. I'm going to have to buy a CZ97 also.

Anyone with any CZ40's? I just bought one but can't get it until next week because of State laws. :fire:


In the meantime, heres a pic of my PCR with my CZ75.

[Walt Sherrill]

Those "stupid" cuts all the way around aren't limited to the Compact. The standard 10-rounders are also made that way.

And they've been that way for years, and I've yet to hear of one failing because of the laser cuts... Don't worry about it.

Here's another shot of the custom 75B SA that PCRCCW mentioned above. He had another picture that showed it off even more impressively, but don't know what happened to that one.

Eric did/or had all the work done on this one before I got it: hand-lapped frame/slide, low-snag PT night sights, stippling on the front and back strap, Hakan grips, alternating (matching) color mag release, safety, slide release, hammer and trigger, and a SA trigger that is about as good as they get. (I've only had three or four guns that had similar triggers: similar: a S&W 52-2 and a well-gunsmithed pre-B 75, a wonderful old Browning HP, and a SIG P-210-6, now sold. This gun runs in "better" circles. Eric was building his business and something had to go. His loss was my gain.)

http://www.imageseek.com/hbeleather/gallery/albums/custom/CZSAIDPA.sized.jpg

And then there's my pre-B

http://home.attbi.com/~erik.marquez/cz-75walt.jpg

I'll have to make some pictures of my nickel 75 Compact and 85 Combat. (I recently acquired a blued 75 Compact with factory wood grips, and have an unfired CZ-75 coming soon.

I like CZs.

[Hakan]

Here is my CZ75B in Tu-Tone...altough I don't get to shoot it so often any longer,there is absolutely no problems with it...I love it.


Eric,

Do you have a solo pic. of that Compact To-Tone w/Amboyna grips on?

Hey Walt! Can I use the pic of your SA on mw website??

Regards,

Hakan.


http://www.imageseek.com/hakan/albums/cz75/Craig_sCocobol_2.jpg

[Walt Sherrill]

As far as I'm concerned you can use the pictures, but they really belong to Eric. I just borrowed them for here. <grin> Check with him, as he had some other shots of the gun that showed the grips off to even better advantage.

(As you know, I generally prefer soft rubber grips, but these have worked nicely, and every person who has seen them has had something nice to say about them. And not just because I had a gun in my hand.)

The shots Eric first posted when he first offered the gun for sale looked like something photographed for American Handgunner. Gorgeous shots.

[RBull]

Those are classy grips on your CZ, Hakan - I expected no less :)

Well, here is my pre B CZ-75 with Mepro night sights, P-01 trigger, horizontal backstrap serrations 25 LPI, lightened custom hammer and custom made extended safety:

http://handguns.czweb.org/sml/CZplussml.jpg

http://handguns.czweb.org/sml/CZ_thumbsml.jpg

http://handguns.czweb.org/sml/CZ_hammersml.jpg

larger image of the pistol here:
http://handguns.czweb.org/CZ-75%201992/CZpluspad.jpg (http://)

Also, ever wondered if there was CZECH CZ-99? Here she is:
http://handguns.czweb.org/CZ-99%20prototype/CZ99BD_L.jpg (http://)

Regards,
Pavel

[DMK]

BTW: nice CZ-75 Rbull. I like that safety!

http://home.mchsi.com/~davidkoch/myarms/CZ-40B.JPG

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/pf2e183bc5b2b5fb5692fa5d7ddb2697b/fba5e4bf.jpg
Pre-B CZ-75 that is marked "Made in Switzerland." It's not been fired. The grips are thin rubber ones from Butler Creek (I think; cannot remember.)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid70/p626bb22a6c992e03ac8cfa83f8b8c635/fba3617e.jpg
[i]Pre-B that's been refinished and had Novak fixed sights added....

Best.

[CZ52GUY]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=551357

Checkered Walnut Grips from www.makarov.com

[CZ52GUY]

CZ-75B

[WonderNine]

I really want a CZ97B, but I can't get over my dislike for the internal slide rails on the frame.

[Walt Sherrill]

Why would you DISLIKE internal slide rails? What is BAD about this design feature?

This is generally considered a desirable trait by most folks. It is one of the renowned features of the SIG P-210, which is among the most accurate of guns. A number of other guns use the feature. (Including everything in the CZ and Tanfoglio lines, and many Stars. My S&W 4006 used both INSIDE and OUTSIDE the frame slide design.)

In theory, at least, as the gun heats from rapid firing, the slide/frame fit becomes tighter rather than looser. I don't know whether reality and theory coincide on this point, but I've never heard of problems with slide to frame fit on these guns.

The CZ-97B is considered one of the most accurate of CZs.

[jdrobins]

Although Plain jane right now, I do have an HBE Pro Holster on it's way, and Hakan Grips on order.

Jim

[WonderNine]

In theory, at least, as the gun heats from rapid firing, the slide/frame fit becomes tighter rather than looser.

That's the problem. It seems designed like a heat trap to me. I like my guns uber reliable. As you know many guns like the 1911 and P35 have an even better reputation for accuracy with normal "combat style" frame rails.

Hopefully someone will jump in here and tell me how reliable their 97B is, but how many of you have fired your CZ's 500 rounds at a range session without a hic?

Not so sure that I like the idea of the firing pin block with the rollpin through the slide either...

It's weird, but some of the 97B's seem to have the beavertail, while others don't. Is that an option? I'd really prefer not to have that.

[Walt Sherrill]

Have you EVER heard of it being a problem with ANY gun that incorporates this feature? From the P-210 through the CZ and Tanfoglio/EAA guns to the cheaper Stars?

Seems to me to you're trying to see a problem where one doesn't exist.

I don't think your concern is realistic -- unless, of course, you think you're going to have to fire 500 rounds in self defense, sometime. And if that's the case you'd better have a pretty big backpack for all those 50 or so mags, 'cause otherwise the gun's going to cool down as your reload 5 or 10 mags.

I no longer have a CZ-97B -- mine was just a bit too large for my hand -- but I never had a problem with the slide-inside-the-frame design on it, or any other gun with that feature. It certainly wasn't a problem with my 5 other CZs or my P-210-6. Or my Star Firestar Plus.

Slide-inside-the-frame is a characteristic of EVERY CZ,every EAA Witness, and Tanfoglio gun being used today. And this includes the IPSC Race Guns used in international competition. I've never heard of it being a problem in IPSC, either -- and they shoot fast and long, there. Those guns GET hot.

The firing pin restrained by a roll pin is a feature I don't like either, and they have been known to break during dry-firing. But you can use snap caps, or get one of the new "doubled" roll pins that don't break. (Or get a modified firing pin that won't strike the roll pin.)

I dry-fired my 97B a lot, but never had a problem. I dry-fired a 75B thousands of times without a problem. I dry-fired a 40B a few hundred times and broke the pin. I replaced it with a $.30 part from the hardware store, cut to length with a Dremel. I also got the firing pin modified. Did the same with my 97B.

All 97Bs have the same beavertail, by the way. The only changed feature that I'm aware of are cocking striations on the front of the slide with newer models.

If you're looking for an excuse NOT to get a CZ-97B, I think you're going to have to find something else -- like the big grip or the long double-action trigger pull. Or not wanting to use the "thumb on safety" technique in the 1911 style when starting from "cocked and locked" (SA mode), which is an option.

Otherise, you're passing up a very good gun.

[boogalou]

but how many of you have fired your CZ's 500 rounds at a range session without a hic?

Well, I haven't fired quite that many at a range session, but I've had one failure on my CZ75 after approximately 1500 rounds, and my PCR has had no failures after 500 rounds so far. I've also used both of these pistols on some hot days. I remember one range session last year when the temp was close to 100 degrees and the CZ75 was almost to hot to hold and no reliability problems.

I'm sure there are some folks out there with more experience then me when it comes to CZ's, and I've never heard of internal rails being a problem with reliablity.

[Shmackey]

Where can I get those custom extended safeties?

[Kevlarman]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=621337

Ok, ok, so it's just a comic, but it could happen, right? :D

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. It's my understanding that the original version suffered some problems, but that was corrected early, early own. This version is now collected more than shot.

Best.

[Beetle Bailey]

Kevlarman Don't leave us hanging. . .how does she escape the blackjack? Backup revolver on the ankle? If it was a Browning Hi-Power, she could eject the magazine at her face ;) .

[Kestrel]

Rbull,

Who made the thumb safety on your CZ?

Stephen,

Really like your Pre-B.

Steve

[Kestrel]

Walt,

One of the slight drawbacks to the slide running inside the frame is, it is harder to grab/retract the slide in a hurry, since there is less of it exposed.

(Don't get too defensive with me - I have several CZs, myself. Just the facts...)

Steve

[WonderNine]

Have you EVER heard of it being a problem with ANY gun that incorporates this feature? From the P-210 through the CZ and Tanfoglio/EAA guns to the cheaper Stars?

Honestly no, but then most guns don't incorporate this feature as you've noted.

Seems to me to you're trying to see a problem where one doesn't exist.

I always do that. Some people consider it a personality defect, but I consider it a personality strength. :D

I don't think your concern is realistic -- unless, of course, you think you're going to have to fire 500 rounds in self defense, sometime. And if that's the case you'd better have a pretty big backpack for all those 50 or so mags, 'cause otherwise the gun's going to cool down as your reload 5 or 10 mags.

I have fired that much and more easily at a range session with a Browning P35 or Beretta 92. And I've done it at times on purpose since I don't get to the range very often nowadays. And in a SHTF situation that many rounds between cooling down and ESPECIALLY cleaning is not out of the question I would think :uhoh: ??? I used to have alot more mags than I do now, but hopefully when the AWB sunsets this won't be an issue. I like to load 20 or more 17 round mags with ammo before hand, so I don't have to reload at the range, but even then typically I run out (I don't go to indoor timed ranges they suck) and sometimes end up loading quite a few mags anyways because the results I saw made me want to shoot more.

To win my confidence a gun must keep going dirty even in extreme heat or cold. And extreme functioning conditions. The AK-47 will do this. Will the CZ-97B?


Slide-inside-the-frame is a characteristic of EVERY CZ,every EAA Witness, and Tanfoglio gun being used today. And this includes the IPSC Race Guns used in international competition. I've never heard of it being a problem in IPSC, either -- and they shoot fast and long, there. Those guns GET hot.

Thanks for that info. That DOES make me a little more confident in the design. I didn't know their were so many IPSC Race Guns made by CZ, EAA and Tanfoglio without significant problems regarding my "heat trap" hypothesis.

The firing pin restrained by a roll pin is a feature I don't like either, and they have been known to break during dry-firing. But you can use snap caps, or get one of the new "doubled" roll pins that don't break. (Or get a modified firing pin that won't strike the roll pin.)

Sound like an easy fix. I still don't like firing pin safeties of any type though.

All 97Bs have the same beavertail, by the way. The only changed feature that I'm aware of are cocking striations on the front of the slide with newer models.

Well the beavtail could be cut off and the whole gun refinished, (nothing you could do about the cocking serations) but there goes another couple hundred dollars on a brand new gun....I like to get them at least 99% right from the factory if at all possible.

If you're looking for an excuse NOT to get a CZ-97B, I think you're going to have to find something else -- like the big grip or the long double-action trigger pull. Or not wanting to use the "thumb on safety" technique in the 1911 style when starting from "cocked and locked" (SA mode), which is an option.

The double action trigger pull doesn't seem to be a problem as you can easily carry cocked and locked. I don't like a double action first pull anyways.

The big grip? I would assume so, although I've never handled one. I've handled plenty of 75's and 85's and yes I do believe the grip is too big and it's also somewhat ackward with it's weird snake bend. The trigger reach is not too far for me as I have medium-long fingers, but the grip for some reason makes me point the gun upward or downward depending on which fraction of an inch above of below the center of the magwell I'm grasping it.

[WonderNine]

Well, I haven't fired quite that many at a range session, but I've had one failure on my CZ75 after approximately 1500 rounds, and my PCR has had no failures after 500 rounds so far. I've also used both of these pistols on some hot days. I remember one range session last year when the temp was close to 100 degrees and the CZ75 was almost to hot to hold and no reliability problems.

Good to hear!

Can't blame one failure in 1500 rounds on the gun, most likely a bad powder charge or mishaped case. This stuff happens.

[WonderNine]

If it was a Browning Hi-Power, she could eject the magazine at her face .

Only if she's using a 10 round Clinton job with the ejection spring. ;)

10 round mag? What's that? I don't know since decent new prebans are cheaper than factory 10 rounders.

Only bought one ten round pistol mag in my life and only because I was curious.

[RBull]

Steve, I did the safety (modified Tanfoglio Match).

Before final polishing and refinishing:

http://handguns.czweb.org/sml/Pcsaftysml.jpg

http://handguns.czweb.org/sml/Pcsafty02.jpg



Stephen, finally someone with this sights modification, very well done! What model of Novak's Lo Mount is this - 1911, or BHP?


Thanks,
Pavel

[Moparmike]

Must...get...digicam!!!!

My EAA Witness 10mm is practically flawless, except for some weird black spots and some serious scratches on the barrel exposed at the ejection port. What might cause this?

[PCRCCW]

Um....EVERY CZ is NOT make with the typical CZ Frame/Slide rail setup.

CZ83 is blowback and has the same rail setup as a PPK/Mak.............

CZ100 has a standard rail configuration.....Glock, XD, what have you.

Every Steel framed fullsize/Compact is the same.........

Shoot well...................

[Walt Sherrill]

Um....EVERY CZ is NOT make with the typical CZ Frame/Slide rail setup.

CZ83 is blowback and has the same rail setup as a PPK/Mak.............

CZ100 has a standard rail configuration.....Glock, XD, what have you.

Every Steel framed fullsize/Compact is the same.........
Agreed. And then there's the CZ-50 and CZ-52, too...

Implicit in my response was that I was referring to guns made on the CZ-75 design. (Every fullsize/Compact as you wrote, above.) I should have been explicit and not left it as an implicit point.

The other potential drawback to the design -- mentioned above -- is that there is less frame to grasp is valid, to a point -- but some guns, like the Browning HP, with outside the frame design, don't have any more to grasp than a CZ. I think there's LESS Makarov slide to grasp than CZ, for example... yet people don't hold that up as shortcoming of the Mak design.

And a "hand over the rear of the slide" grip on the slide (to the rear of the ejection port), perhaps including the sight, seems to work pretty well.

[boogalou]

Can't blame one failure in 1500 rounds on the gun, most likely a bad powder charge or mishaped case. This stuff happens.

90% of the rounds through this gun have been my own reloads, and if I remember right, the round itself was laying in the bottom of my ammo can and was dirty and may have gotten wet. The round wouldn't feed until I gave the slide a good nudge.

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. It's the one for the 1911.

Best.

[Walt Sherrill]

The big grip? I would assume so, although I've never handled one. I've handled plenty of 75's and 85's and yes I do believe the grip is too big and it's also somewhat ackward with it's weird snake bend. Well, if you think the CZ-75 and CZ-85 grips are big, you'll probably think the CZ-975B grip is huge. Its noticeably larger than the 75/85 grip and built on a larger frame, but based on the same design/ergonomics.

That said, its really NOT a lot larger than other guns. The Beretta 92/96 seems every bit as big, if not bigger. But the 97B grip is bigger than the EAA / Tan. .45s, by a small bit. (Measurements will show its really not a lot different than a standard 1911 grip, but it has a palm swell in a different position.)

You'll just have to hold one and, hopefully, shoot one, to be sure.

[robctwo]

http://homepage.mac.com/robcorl/CZ_pictures/PhotoAlbum34.html

[Zer000]

http://members.arstechnica.com/subscriptors/x/Zer000/CZ75bTac.jpg

My CZ75B Tactical.

[admar2]

nice CZ's guys!!

I've just about decided on a CZ85 Combat. I like the Ambi controls since I mostly shoot lefty.

[Walt Sherrill]

I have a CZ-85 Combat and really like it.

But don't overlook the CZ-75B SA (single action) in 9mm or .40. While it doesn't have an ambi slide release (which isn't a big deal), it does have ambi safeties. And a trigger that is adjustable for both overtravel and takeup -- which is a very big deal. (The CZ-85 Combat's trigger adjusts for overtravel only.)

I also have a customized 75B SA, and its hard to say which gun I like best.

[admar2]

the SA model is actually the other one I'm trying to decide between. I'm a 1911 fan, so I like the SA.

decisions decisions.

[Kestrel]

Walt,

Is there any benefit to the CZ-75 SA over the standard CZ-75B, other than the trigger adjustment?

Thanks,
Steve

[WonderNine]

I found while handling a couple that the plastic trigger on the SA makes for an extremely creepy trigger (as I suspected it would) which negates (IMO) the strongest point of Single Action in the first place.

However I understand someone in this forum, I don't remember who, replaced the plastic trigger on their 75SA for a real one with favorable results.

[Walt Sherrill]

The plastic trigger is a minus -- and they've been known to break.

I'm not sure the plastic part makes the trigger have more creep--as I've handled some pretty "crisp" 75SA's with plastic trigger--but there is a difference, and I prefer the metal trigger.

When they break, CZ-USA can (but, you may have to demand it) replace the broken part with a metal one. The 75BSA that I have, which I bought used from a THR member, has a metal trigger.

You may want to ask PCRCCW about his experience, as he had a lot of work done to the gun I bought. It is a superb gun.

[guy sajer]

Here's my 1984 model .

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=248573