Taking the wife's friend to the range


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Jonnybronco
March 11, 2010, 12:07 PM
One of my wife's best friends was chased around at work by a disgruntled employee at work with a machete earlier this week. See the story here:

http://www.yumasun.com/news/arroyo-56860-yuma-police.html

She (my wife's friend) has always been anti guns and was a little upset to hear that we have guns in our house.

After this incident she has opened up a little bit and my wife is trying to get her to go to the range with us this Saturday.

Wish us luck.

Jonny

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TexasRifleman
March 11, 2010, 12:08 PM
After this incident she has opened up a little bit

Wow. Yeah I guess a machete wielding maniac would turn just about any anti :)

Good luck at the range!

NMGonzo
March 11, 2010, 12:10 PM
Holy cow!

It's going to take a lot of training to teach anyone to draw from concealment and stop a machete wielding lunatic.

Warhawk83
March 11, 2010, 12:11 PM
I'm sure her views on armed self defense have switched sides. Good to see that one of these wacko's was finally caught before slaughtering the entire office.

Good luck to you, though I suspect you won't need it. ;)

Mike J
March 11, 2010, 12:25 PM
I can see where that could change someones perspective.

ClayInTX
March 11, 2010, 12:53 PM
I can see it coming!

This Property
is a
Machete Free Zone

wishin
March 11, 2010, 01:47 PM
It's good to see your wife will be along. You've just got to get a Fidel Castro target!:D

hso
March 11, 2010, 02:46 PM
Start small, review safety requirements before going to the range, muffs over plugs, comfortable shooting glasses and a shirt to keep brass from diving down the front.

Look at the various "taking a non/new shooter to the range threads".

MichaelK
March 11, 2010, 05:17 PM
I recently did the same thing with a woman at work. Before our shooting session her attitude was "there will never be a gun in my house". Now it's "I want a gun of my own".

Start her off slow, with a .22. Talk a lot about safety. A LOT. Make her comfortable with the idea that even though she's around you with guns in your hands, she can feel safe.

Once she overcomes her initial fear, give her some "fun" targets to shoot. Something that falls over, spins around, or something else kinetic each time she hits it. Once she overcomes her fear, and it becomes fun, you have her hooked!

Good luck,
Michael

Sav .250
March 11, 2010, 05:19 PM
If the friend doesn`t have the stomach to pull the trigger on a perp,it`s a waste of time. Either you`ve got it or you don`t. Maybe Mace would be a better form of protection.

Arkansas Paul
March 11, 2010, 05:46 PM
"If the friend doesn`t have the stomach to pull the trigger on a perp,it`s a waste of time."

And how do we go about finding out whether or not that's the case. I would wager to bet that a lot of people who have concealed carry permits wouldn't pull the trigger. The fact of the matter is, you don't know how you would react until you are placed in a certain situation. Anyone who says they do are full of it. Could I pull the trigger. I hope so. I think so. But I can't be sure, because I've never been there.

As for the OP, good luck to you and your wife. Let us know if she goes and if so, how the range trip goes. Always good to have someone come over to our side. Hope it works out that way.

Leanwolf
March 11, 2010, 05:58 PM
MICHAEL K - " Start her off slow, with a .22. "

Yes!!

And have her practice with that .22 handgun with many rounds over several sessions, before moving her to a .38 Spec. or 9mm.

The fundamentals of safety, proper handling, and accuracy are very important, far moreso than immediately jumping her in with the "big boomers."

L.W..

ny32182
March 11, 2010, 06:02 PM
Good luck; I wouldn't touch that situation with a 10 foot pole...

Shung
March 11, 2010, 06:03 PM
She (my wife's friend) has always been anti guns and was a little upset to hear that we have guns in our house

how does that opinion work when facing a maniac with a machete ? You are VERY kind to help her out..

Jonnybronco
March 11, 2010, 07:40 PM
I recently did the same thing with a woman at work. Before our shooting session her attitude was "there will never be a gun in my house". Now it's "I want a gun of my own".

Start her off slow, with a .22. Talk a lot about safety. A LOT. Make her comfortable with the idea that even though she's around you with guns in your hands, she can feel safe.

Once she overcomes her initial fear, give her some "fun" targets to shoot. Something that falls over, spins around, or something else kinetic each time she hits it. Once she overcomes her fear, and it becomes fun, you have her hooked!

Good luck,
Michael
I plan to start slow with a 22/45 and the 10/22. I have read many of the "bringing first time shooters to the range" threads. All have very good pointers.

I will let you know how it goes. I'm not sure if it will happen this weekend, but from what my wife tells me, I think it will happen eventually.

NMGonzo
March 11, 2010, 07:42 PM
My experience is 22/45 to 1911 it takes about 10 range trips.

My lady can shoot the 1911 ... after being trained on the 22/45

Jonnybronco
March 15, 2010, 02:20 PM
We went to the range on Saturday.

Aparently this was was not her first time shooting. She has other friends that have guns as well. I think until now, she just felt there was no reason for her to have a gun.

We went over the safety rules and started out with the 22/45. After going through a few magazines with it, my wife wanted to shoot my 40.

My wife went through a magazine then offered it up to her friend to shoot. She actually shot pretty well with both guns.

I think she was an easy convert, it wasn't so much a dislike of guns she had, but rather a misunderstanding of their purpose.

LeonCarr
March 15, 2010, 02:44 PM
Get her to purchase a good pair of running shoes. IMO the most important thing to do when faced with an edged weapon attack is to increase the distance between you and the psycho. Many videos have been produced (Surviving Edged Weapons featuring Dan Inosanto is a good one) that show if the attacker is inside of 21 feet, then he/she can be on top of you and cutting you up before you can draw and shoot. When he/she has a knife and you have a gun, distance is your friend.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Officers'Wife
March 15, 2010, 02:56 PM
I've always heard a conservative is a liberal that has been mugged.

FWIW- One of the neighbors back home was very anti-deer hunting. Then one day she and her husband were on a motorcycle and a deer jumped out in front of them actually knocking both of them off the machine at about (or so I'm told) 40 MPH.

I hear she harvested a seven pointer during the last shotgun season.

Nick5182
March 15, 2010, 03:11 PM
I have never been able to understand why it takes a violent encounter for some people to start thinking about personal protection. The whole "it'll never happen to me" mindset just perplexes me. I, honestly, have never had a violent encounter with anyone and hope I never do, but I still carry everyday on the one-in-a-million chance it does happen. She was one of the lucky ones that now has the chance to think about and prepare for self-defense.

Kevin77
March 15, 2010, 03:41 PM
She's lucky the machete maniac didn't open her mind up along with the rest of her. I'm not much of a runner so if you come at me with a sword or knife I'm going to shoot you.

Officers'Wife
March 15, 2010, 03:45 PM
The whole "it'll never happen to me" mindset just perplexes me.

People deal with fear in different ways. I firmly believe that most anti's hate the idea of preparing for self defense because it forces them to consider the possibility such a thing may be needed.

I'm reminded of the old guy song with the line- "Living is easy with eyes closed. Misunderstanding all you see."

danprkr
March 15, 2010, 05:49 PM
And how do we go about finding out whether or not that's the case. I would wager to bet that a lot of people who have concealed carry permits wouldn't pull the trigger. The fact of the matter is, you don't know how you would react until you are placed in a certain situation. Anyone who says they do are full of it. Could I pull the trigger. I hope so. I think so. But I can't be sure, because I've never been there.


Exactly. No one KNOWS what they will do until they're in that situation.

NG VI
March 15, 2010, 06:16 PM
If the friend doesn`t have the stomach to pull the trigger on a perp,it`s a waste of time. Either you`ve got it or you don`t. Maybe Mace would be a better form of protection.


People are capable of some pretty intense things when their life is on the line.

shockwave
March 15, 2010, 06:16 PM
Exactly. No one KNOWS what they will do until they're in that situation.

Agreed. Also, though, I think this is something you can train for. In my case, it was possible to acquire sufficient nerve and confidence to intervene in violent situations if needed, as a result of sustained training and practice. Like anything else, you can prepare in advance if you need to be sure.

Arkansas Paul
March 15, 2010, 07:19 PM
^ Absolutely. You should definately prepare for the worst and try your best to get into the mindset to do what you need to. Good shooting can be taught. Whether or not you can pull the trigger on another person is a different matter altogether. It's a mind thing. I hope the day never comes when I have to, but I hope I'm ready if it does come.

Zoidberg523
March 15, 2010, 08:04 PM
Get her to purchase a good pair of running shoes. IMO the most important thing to do when faced with an edged weapon attack is to increase the distance between you and the psycho. Many videos have been produced (Surviving Edged Weapons featuring Dan Inosanto is a good one) that show if the attacker is inside of 21 feet, then he/she can be on top of you and cutting you up before you can draw and shoot. When he/she has a knife and you have a gun, distance is your friend.

Great advice!

If the friend doesn`t have the stomach to pull the trigger on a perp,it`s a waste of time. Either you`ve got it or you don`t. Maybe Mace would be a better form of protection.

:scrutiny:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=507742&highlight=internet+bs

kidrice
March 16, 2010, 07:14 PM
How come the antis aren't trying to ban machettes?

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