Primer shortage?...then be more diligent


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allen4150
March 14, 2010, 01:08 AM
I just got back into reloading less than a month ago and I have bought 10k large pistol primers (two separate orders) in 3 weeks. I'm not posting this to be a di^k or to brag "hey look at me".
When I got the reloading fever again after not being able to find 9mm or .45 on shelves, It didn't take long for me to realize that components weren't readily available. I immediately backordered 5k cci # 300 from cabelas. I looked every day multiple times at midway and cabelas and a few others. I did this EVERY day. I don't work in an office behind a PC and could only do this in the afternoon, but I managed to do get it done. Sure enough, midway had rem LP in stock. I ordered 5k. Out of curisosity, I checked back the next morning and they were OUT. I figured I just got lucky and I should have ordered 3x that much. In another week cabelas had the same rem 2.5 in stock. I ordered another 5k from them.
I'm going to cancel the cabelas backorder for the CCI and stop looking. I have what I need for a good while.

I find it hard to believe that people aren't able to get these things with a little more than average effort.

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the_right_reverend
March 14, 2010, 10:11 AM
This whole primer mess is crazy. Here one dealer carries nothing but CCI and has had a steady supply for about the last 6 Months and has played fair on the pricing but a bit proud of his limited powder.

The dealer on the other side of town has nothing but Federal and claims primers are hard to find and hasn't seen any CCI in almost a year and has jacked up the price but always has a supply of most powder .

ONE Dealer next town down the road has a few thousand of everything and fair prices but very limited powder.

Did a pistol powder run yesterday ....... 4 lbs of powder $97 not counting time and gas, If I had ordered it on line the total for 4 lbs to include hazmat form graff's was $93.86 and the same order from midsouth $101.84

Guess you can see were next months play money is going:D

and I won't be spending it on gas and time

Walkalong
March 14, 2010, 10:17 AM
No primers at the gun show yesterday, not even any over priced ones. A good bit of powder though.

EddieNFL
March 14, 2010, 10:30 AM
Did a pistol powder run yesterday ....... 4 lbs of powder $97 not counting time and gas, If I had ordered it on line the total for 4 lbs to include hazmat form graff's was $93.86 and the same order from midsouth $101.84

I made a powder order a few months ago. Ordering limited quantities does indeed drive the price up. Ordering three eight pounders and 20K primers added about $1.10 to each pound of powder or K primers. H4350 was a few cents over $18 per pound.

I try to do this every four or five months to keep cost down.

ants
March 14, 2010, 02:01 PM
Maybe you can find an unfortunate guy in your neighborhood, and help him find components.

snuffy
March 14, 2010, 03:52 PM
I'm going to cancel the cabelas backorder for the CCI and stop looking. I have what I need for a good while.

I find it hard to believe that people aren't able to get these things with a little more than average effort.

What primer shortage? I have plenty, because I planned ahead of the presidential return to the damocrats. I already had at least 5K of each type I was using, I bought another 5K of each about this time in '08.

The last gun show here in the frozen tundra, there was one guy selling winchester for $39.95+tax, you could get all you wanted. Also had some CCI.

I stopped at a large gunshop down in Lomira Wi, Midwestern shooters supply. I asked about primers, he said they're starting to trickle in. He said winchester is available with a smidgen of Federal showing up. I intended to stop at Cabellas, but the fog was so thick, I missed the exit! Wanted one of their prime rib sandwiches!

medalguy
March 14, 2010, 05:35 PM
Same here. Last weekend there was a local gun show and primers were abundant but priced at $40 per K. I didn't need any because I have kept them on backorder at Cabela's and Powder Valley. In fact I recently received 15K Rem 7 1/2 from PV and I called Cabela's to cancel another BO there for 15K. Primers are everywhere, maybe not exactly where you look the first time but they are certainly there to be found.

Encoreman
March 14, 2010, 07:37 PM
To all that have been shafted by your local dealer's. I say tell them to keep their high priced components. I have decided to not buy anything at my local shop. If I want a new gun, I buy it on GunBroker and have it sent to another ffl in town. They have gotten my last red cent!!

Cosmoline
March 14, 2010, 07:54 PM
Up here in AK we can't just order them from on line or out of state. The supply comes through one or two wholesalers who then distribute to retailers. If there's a delay on a pallet we're all hosed. The Wolf primers are in stock now, but I don't really trust them. Thankfully I've got a reasonable supply of CCI's

EddieNFL
March 14, 2010, 08:06 PM
The Wolf primers are in stock now, but I don't really trust them.

I shot about 6K of Wolf SRs last year. Shot as well as the 205s I was using before. AF rifle team used them for years.

redneck2
March 14, 2010, 08:09 PM
Six months ago your tune would have been different. Now there are some showing up locally. My dealer had over 120k of pistol & rifle.

Now that they're around, I'm going to have little sympathy for guys that bitch and whine about shortages the next go-round. I've got about 15k on hand right now.

This reminds me...I need to get another 5k this week.

Also...anybody that has ANY sense will start stocking up on lead.

Hunt480
March 14, 2010, 08:49 PM
This reminds me...I need to get another 5k this week

Its had a real affect on my reloading and shooting habits...
The 2 local shops I used to get my primers; one shop that also makes ammo want make any available to the public anymore. The other shop that also makes and sells ammo will only sell 500 primers at a time and highly over priced.
This has been a lesson for me next time I get a chance I too will stock for the long term.
Also...anybody that has ANY sense will start stocking up on lead.
I think your right...

kimbershot
March 14, 2010, 08:56 PM
bought up several pounds of 231 and primers last spring--picked off the last few thousands at 3 diff. shops. then bought 5k more via cabela's--took about 2 months. had about 1.5k fmj 230 gr and cruised to the local recycling center and bought about 100lbs of plumbers lead. so i load my own, cast what i need and chase all my brass. i am good to go for a while.

frugal--you bet--and practicing every week.:what:

parker51
March 14, 2010, 08:57 PM
Large magnum rifle primers still seem to be quite difficult to find. I have searched all the places I normally buy from and nobody has any of the CCI 250's in stock. What happened to the thread that was keeping track of who has what primers in stock?

RustyFN
March 14, 2010, 09:12 PM
What primer shortage? I have plenty, because I planned ahead of the presidential return to the damocrats. I already had at least 5K of each type I was using, I bought another 5K of each about this time in '08.

I'm with you there Snuffy. Not because of fear of the Dem's getting elected, it just worked out that way. In early 2008 me and a couple of friends ordered 50,000 primers and in late 2008 another 50,000. Needless to say I still have a pretty good stash.

Also...anybody that has ANY sense will start stocking up on lead.

I'm at 1,200 pounds and still going. WW's are going to be hard if not impossible to get in the near future. Get them while you can.

otiac
March 14, 2010, 09:20 PM
walked into GM in ocala fl yesterday and got the last 500 cci sm rif;all they had left were mag pistol which some guy was trying to tell another"it doesn't matter, as long as the diameter is the same."
be careful, they walk among us'

chebami

RustyFN
March 14, 2010, 09:25 PM
it doesn't matter, as long as the diameter is the same."
be careful, they walk among us'

:D Sad but true.

Redneck with a 40
March 14, 2010, 09:30 PM
My local gunshop has CCI small rifle, small pistol, and large rifle for $34/1000. I bought 5K of the small rifle, which will last me quite awhile.

ants
March 14, 2010, 09:51 PM
it doesn't matter, as long as the diameter is the same."Next week, he'll be shoving LR into those 45acp cases.

1SOW
March 14, 2010, 10:00 PM
Let me know when you trip over any 'Federal' SPPs.

Bush Pilot
March 14, 2010, 10:03 PM
I went looking for powder and primers Saturday morning, found all I wanted. I really love the storage cabinets in my reloading room.

HOWARD J
March 14, 2010, 10:19 PM
I had 40 # of powder---most of it is in brass or in the wind.
I have enuf of everything to last quite a while except I can't get 380 new cases--all things in time.......................:):)

mcdonl
March 14, 2010, 10:35 PM
I find it hard to believe that people aren't able to get these things with a little more than average effort.

When you only have 30 or 40 dollars to spend, you sometimes do not have the luxury of placing online orders and have to order locally. AND, when you are on a very tight budget and do not ALWAYS have money it is sometimes a matter of timing.

I too am primer rich now as it were (For me... I have 3000 pistol and 1000 rifle...) but it took a few weeks.

243winxb
March 15, 2010, 12:35 PM
Midwayusa- CCI Large Rifle Bench Rest Primers #BR2 Box of 1000 (10 Trays of 100) I bought 5000- total price $244.95 CCI Large Rifle Bench Rest Primers #BR2 Case of 5000 (5 Boxes of 1000) $216.99 Same primer & amount. But cost $27.95 more for Boxes of 1000 (case not available) what a rip off.:cuss:

MikeS.
March 15, 2010, 08:28 PM
Why are some of you predicting a lead shortage?

coop923
March 15, 2010, 10:55 PM
Seems that lead peaked about a year and a half ago; is the price creeping up again?

On the primer topic, anyone remember the "Great Primer Scare of 1993"? I still have primers I bought back then; got thousands of them at the time. There were wild rumors then of laws in the works that would require primers to have a "shelf life" or have the potency diminish after a number of years (like that would be possible to control chemically -or not court-clogging fiasco). I decided then that I would always maintain a comfortable supply. I presently only use 2-3k a year, but it's not a bad idea to squirrel away to get through times of limited supplies. I would imagine most of the shortage now is a result of "squirreling", although I think people are shooting more all the time, and a lot of that can be attributed to new shooters and gun owners.

I wonder what $13.49/1000 in 1993 dollars would equal in 2010 dollars... just curious. Any guesses?

mcdonl
March 16, 2010, 12:33 AM
Why are some of you predicting a lead shortage?

EPA, already made lead shot illegal for sea ducks, maybe others. Big campaign to get fisherman to stop using lead. Only a matter of time before they hit the wheel/tire gang.

snuffy
March 16, 2010, 02:56 AM
Quote:
Why are some of you predicting a lead shortage?
EPA, already made lead shot illegal for sea ducks, maybe others. Big campaign to get fisherman to stop using lead. Only a matter of time before they hit the wheel/tire gang.

I got news for yoose! Lead shot is banned for ALL waterfowl hunting nation wide. Also *********** has already banned lead wheel weights on all cars. That's why people are saying stock up on lead, IF you can still find any. Tire shops in the big box stores are saving the wheel weights they take off tires, to be returned to the tire companies. They're not allowed to give them away, or even sell them.

mcdonl
March 16, 2010, 07:11 AM
Gee, thanks snuffy, bad news first thing in the morning :(

But, good thing about Maine... we are always a little behind times.

I have three five gallon buckets, but I need more. I think 10 would be good :)

sonick808
March 16, 2010, 07:45 AM
i just set up alerts at natchez and midway and have the email forwarded to my phone. As soon as i get alerts that they're in, i log in and they're on the way. I get alerts every 2 weeks or so between the two. So yeah, primers can be had with some effort. I only use CCI, and even that's possible to be brand myopic (due to lee autoloader doc touting CCI as safe)

I'm having more problems getting rainier bullets than primers these days!

lead shortage ? I doubt that very much.... I was at industrial metal in tempe and they had a pallet (sp) of ingots in varying alloys from the floor to the ceiling. 60 pound ingots i believe. Then again, I could be totally bass ackward. But, it seems to be plentiful....

I still dream of the day that I don't have to make these gyrations to find supplies.

Living a couple miles from Dillon's headquarters in scottsdale helps quite a bit though, they carry tons of stuff

Regarding the '93 effect of 13$.... i've seen stuff that still costs 13$; some stuff that went WAY down (electronics and media), and then anything else not coming from china or heavy on raw materials or workmanship went from 13$ to 100$. Seems like 13$ in 2000 is now 59.95. Scary.

ants
March 16, 2010, 01:59 PM
"When they ban lead, only outlaws will shoot lead."

glockmon
March 16, 2010, 02:21 PM
Scrap yards always have lead. Linotype is a good investment. Car batteries are also a good source for 30-50 pounds a pop.

Walkalong
March 16, 2010, 02:42 PM
Car batteries are a bad idea for casting lead. They are filled with bad stuff. Documented in many places. Just search here for starters.

AV8ER
April 5, 2010, 12:36 PM
So he's the low down. In trying to order primers and powder from cabelas or wholesale sports I discovered that it costs more money in shipping to get those items delivered to me. We have no source for any of that stuff where i live (the closest is a five hour drive) I just drove from The Northwest Territories Canada all the way to Thunder Bay Ontario (for a vacation). This was around 3800 km. On the way i stopped at every sporting goods store i could dig up on the internet. Powder was not an issue and i got 4 lbs for a really good price. Primers on the other hand were another story entirely. Of the 30 something places that i visited only 2 had large pistol primers in stock. One was a store/range in Thunder Bay which sold me a box of remingtons that had to be dusted off it was soooo old and the other was wholesale sports. I was also a little ticked to learn that wholesale sports will only sell you 1000 primers. I bought the thousand with the intention of coming back the next day to buy another 1000. When I arrived to purchase the second lot I was informed having already bought 1000 i would have to wait 5 buisiness days to get another 1000. When i drive back I plan on hitting about 20 stores because 10 of the original 30 stopped stocking them altogther because of the hassle in getting them. So if that isn't diligence then i don't know what is? Having said that are there any canadians on here that are experienceing this problem and have found a solution?

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