is this BP revolver from Cabelas worth $150?
As an inexpensive bp revolver, including the starter kit, yes. This is the least expensive new bp revolver I've seen, especially with the accessories included.
However, as with everything else, you get what you pay for. As arcticap says, the brass frame has durability issues, and this statement by Cabela's:
1851 Confederate Navy .44-Caliber Sheriff
This compact version of the 1851 Confederate Navy revolver is perfect for reenactments
is just utter nonsense. I can't imagine any reenactment worth the time to attend accepting such a gun as a replica.
March 15, 2010, 09:27 AM
is just utter nonsense. I can't imagine any reenactment worth the time to attend accepting such a gun as a replica
It's a hint to fire only blanks:rolleyes:
To the OP, if you like the revolver then go for it, it's worth the money, Cabela's has a great return policy if you get a lemon. Just remember to keep the powder charge on the low side (20-22grs for a .44) and you should not have any peening or frame stretching issues. The starter kit has a plastic flask that's kind of cheesy, I would buy the accessories as separate items.
March 15, 2010, 09:38 AM
I wore out a 44 navy brasser in about 6 years with only moderate shooting frequency. I did, however, fill it full of BP. The advice to keep it loaded with 20 grains max is good. This should help the brass frame last a while. Navies were originally in .36 caliber in the first place. Make a brass frame, then make it a .44, don't do much for longevity if you go shooting heavy loads.
March 15, 2010, 10:40 AM
Make a brass frame, then make it a .44, don't do much for longevity if you go shooting heavy loads.
I could not agree more. The manufacturers would have fewer complaints if they limited the brassers to .36 with a small chamber. I would like to see some .28's like the old timers.
March 15, 2010, 11:01 AM
Since I tend to keep my guns and get attached to them - I would upgrade to the steel frame. I still have a .36 revolver that I bought in 1982. It functions as good today as when I brought it home.
March 15, 2010, 11:43 AM
My wife bought me one of these for Christmas this year. As of today that particular pistol has north of 500 round through it. The brass is starting to get a nice patina on it thanks to that secret recipe of BP & Crisco.
Load only 20 Gr. fffg and you'll be fine. Historically accurate it's not, although the marketing people aren't selling to the re-enactors, they're selling to the American public who has been taught, bigger is better.
Load her light and have fun. I load mine with 20 Gr. fffg and 20 Gr. corn meal to bring the ball up to where it should be for accuarcy. She'll shoot a 4" to 6" group at 25 yards depending on how patient I am.
March 15, 2010, 12:01 PM
Well, it is worth the $150. But it is a "non replica" replica. There were no real guns of that caliber made back then like that.
Italians do that; they'll make certain versions based on a real gun but make the gun out of brass, or give it a style of barrel the real ones didn't have, or put modern sights on it. The modern sights may serve a legitimate function but they don't add authenticity.
Pietta makes some pretty good guns these days and I'm sure that gun will work OK.
It just is not authentic, is all. With that caveat, if you want one, go for it. It'll work!
March 15, 2010, 12:59 PM
I bought the brass frame 1851 for the $119 sale price last year and it has worked very well. More than a few rounds have been fired with about a 20 grain load. The gun is accurate--once you learn how it likes to be sighted--and has never caused a problem.
March 15, 2010, 01:45 PM
Thanks for the input. I realize it isn't an "original" type but thought it would be a cheapish way to get into BP revolvers. I have some older italian replicas (Paterson, Walker, 3rd Model) but all have timing issues and I haven't been able to locate anyone to fix them... and I'm not sure I'm smart enough to do it myself yet. :)
March 15, 2010, 02:26 PM
Well let's see:
Pietta Complete Screw Set $43.95
Pietta Octagon Sheriff Barrel .44cal with Sight & Loading Lever Retainer $125.00
Pietta Wedge with Pin & Spring $16.00
Pietta Cylinder .44cal with Nipples $95.00
Pietta Hand & Spring $8.00
Pietta Brass Backstrap Finished $36.00
Pietta Trigger $8.50
Pietta Grips Finished $35.00
Pietta Bolt $12.00
Pietta Loading Lever Sheriff with Plunger Complete $30.00
Pietta Brass Triggerguard Finished $38.00
I don't know if that's all the parts needed to build one (minus the frame), but I think it is; but apparently VTI thinks it's worth much more in parts.
March 15, 2010, 06:46 PM
I got the longer barreled one for Christmas and I use it in my Living History SCV work. I have only loaded mine with Proxy and a felt cover 18 grains. I get a good bang and smoke which the kids love. I have not shot any lead out of it yet.
March 16, 2010, 01:03 AM
I have some older italian replicas (Paterson, Walker, 3rd Model) but all have timing issues...
If all of your Colts have developed timing issues then maybe it's about time to buy a Remington and give one of them a try. If you don't like it then just send it back to Cabela's and someone else will end up buying it from their local Cabela's Bargain Cave at a discount. :D
Here's a video of a Remington .44 Sheriff being fired that's "only" loaded with 30 grain Pyrodex pellets.