Know anything about a Rohm (RG) .44 Mag?


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BUFF
March 15, 2010, 09:44 PM
My friend bought one recently:eek: I advised against it. Do I need to stand waaaaayyy back when he shoots this thing? I think the guy gave him a handfull of .44 special rounds with purchase. I found lots of negatives relating to RG/Rohm..just not much on .44 mag!! :uhoh:

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w_houle
March 15, 2010, 09:51 PM
I've been on the look out for one. Just as long as it has good timing; it should be fine. I don't think Rohm made any in Fla., so it has handled at least two 44 mag proof loads. I would shoot .44 special only through it as well. If he is really uncomfortable with the idea of shooting it, I might take it depending on how it looks.

BUFF
March 15, 2010, 09:57 PM
considering how much he paid:scrutiny: I doubt anyone would come near it unless desperate for this thing. I know he has fired it just to try it out. He didn't mention lead fragments flying back in his face as some have. I think he just wanted something to have "just-in-case" SD. He has no other firearms.

BUFF
March 15, 2010, 10:24 PM
I should've said home defense rather than self defense..I tried to convince him a Maverick shotgun at Academy would be quite adequate and cost effective as well. He was dead set on a "Dirty Harry":D size revolver.

MCgunner
March 15, 2010, 10:33 PM
I thought a .44 mag in a RG was known as a hand grenade? :D

FM12
March 15, 2010, 11:09 PM
I'd be very careful, I'm just saying.

w_houle
March 15, 2010, 11:35 PM
considering how much he paid:scrutiny:
Oh, come on and shame the devil: How much did he pay?

jimmyraythomason
March 15, 2010, 11:39 PM
How much did he pay?
Yeah,enquiring minds want to know.

jimmyraythomason
March 15, 2010, 11:42 PM
As already said, if it times well and .44 sp loads are used (although magnum rounds would be alright,I would opt for that extra margin of safety) it should be fine. It will fire when you pull the trigger and that is all that is required of an HD weapon.

Guillermo
March 16, 2010, 01:13 AM
The Rohm 44 Magnum is a great self defense weapon. Give the weapon to an intruder and they will destroy themselves when they try to shoot you

w_houle
March 16, 2010, 01:20 AM
The Rohm 44 Magnum is a great self defense weapon. Give the weapon to an intruder and they will kill themselves
The Rohm does Jedi mind tricks?
I have an RG...
14 .22lr
14S .22lr
26 .25 acp
38S .38 spl
All have fired ammunition on more than a few occasions, and they have not exploded:eek:

Guillermo
March 16, 2010, 01:44 AM
All have fired ammunition on more than a few occasions, and they have not exploded

yet

Rohm was the worst major manufacturer of firearms. Pot metal and high pressure cartridges is a lethal combination

jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2010, 06:42 AM
lethal combination a good combination to have on your side. There is more brand prejudice here than actual evaluation. The RGs indeed have pot metal frames(many top grade brands also use light weight frames) but the barrels and cylinders are steel(and that's where it counts). The weakness of RGs is in the controls often resulting in poor timing but not KB.

BUFF
March 16, 2010, 05:13 PM
Thanks for the input guys..given the overall consensus I'll probably advise him to shoot it little (with the light loads) and just keep it ready for HD. I'm no expert, but the thing didn't feel lightweight or too inferior (was kinda fugly though). Also, a .44 special round would/should be plenty stop an intruder..

Schofield3
March 16, 2010, 05:17 PM
I thought a .44 mag in a RG was known as a hand grenade?

Haha +1

BUFF
March 16, 2010, 05:18 PM
:evil:oh, and by the way..the devil pulled out 3 bills for this thing!:what:

jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2010, 05:19 PM
(was kinda fugly though). I don't think ANYBODY will disagree with that!3 bills I hope that was 20 dollar bills.

Confederate
March 16, 2010, 05:59 PM
The gun is probably rated for factory loads, but I wouldn't expect a lot of longevity out of it. If you can get rid of it, I suggest you (or your friend, rather) get rid of it. These things would be a good collector's item, but geesh, three bills!

I'd love to see some good photos of it.

Guillermo
March 16, 2010, 06:04 PM
I thought a .44 mag in a RG was known as a hand grenade?

You folks are being mean about this weapon. Jimmy Ray says you are guilty of "brand prejudice"

You should be ashamed

MCgunner
March 16, 2010, 06:54 PM
Quote:
3 bills


I hope that was 20 dollar bills.

I was kinda thinkin' dollar bills, myself, but still 3 bucks too much. :rolleyes:


You folks are being mean about this weapon. Jimmy Ray says you are guilty of "brand prejudice"

You should be ashamed

I own Kel Tec, Taurus, Ruger, Rossi, Charter Arms, Phoenix Arms......yadda, yadda. I know bashing, normally the bashee. But, hey, I need my chance once in a while and, besides, I'm not bashing so much as I'm trying to save a life here. :D

Guillermo
March 16, 2010, 06:55 PM
w-houle says that his are whole and he actually has shot them

MCgunner
March 16, 2010, 07:05 PM
Oh, btw, I'm ashamed to admit that I once made the mistake of buying a RG .22 revolver. I had a cheap blank pistol once, looked a lot like it, but it fired every time and didn't spray my face with lead when it went off. :rolleyes: Both guns were equally accurate, as in, I couldn't hit squat with the RG, so I might as well been shooting blanks in it. :rolleyes:

Man, my knees get weak and I start sweating just thinkin' about a RG with a .44 magnum actually chambered in it. MY GAWD!:what::what::what::what::uhoh:

Guillermo
March 16, 2010, 07:10 PM
speaking of cheap guns, a local shop has a Rossi 38 for 100 bucks. I keep thinking that it would make a good truck gun.

Talk me out of it

jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2010, 07:19 PM
w-houle says that his are whole and he actually has shot them
my dad's RG in .22 short does everything my Browning Buckmark does (except shoot LR). I carried it as a trapline gun for a couple of decades. I have put at least a brick of WW ammo through it without a hitch, no spitting lead or anything it wasn't designed to do. Talk me out of it
Why?" What you choose to buy or use is none of my business.

MCgunner
March 16, 2010, 07:19 PM
speaking of cheap guns, a local shop has a Rossi 38 for 100 bucks. I keep thinking that it would make a good truck gun.

Talk me out of it

I can't, really. I have an old Interarms M68 bought in 1981 that if it had a S&W logo on it, would fool most of the shooters on this board. It's pretty awesome. I've owned some in the early 90s that lacked the attention to detail, the fit and finish, but they all went bang and shot well. I had a 971 that broke a firing pin. I had a smith fix it and it worked fine until I traded it. That was a neat gun for hiking, sort of between J and K frame in size and weight.

I have my 68 and a M511 Sportsman .22 kit gun at present. I use the 68 (3" barrel) more as a kit gun than a carry. I carry it occasionally, but if I'm going to belt carry, I can carry my 3" Taurus 66 in .357 magnum. I bought the thing for my step dad so I could get my grandpa's M10 Smith back. Old man wanted a gun around the house and I wanted that M10. I inherited it back a few years ago when he passed away. I don't think you can go wrong for a truck gun, really. It is accurate, reliable, and if someone rips it off, you're out 100 bucks. What's not to like?

But, don't buy an RG. :D

MCgunner
March 16, 2010, 07:22 PM
Mmm, RG or Buckmark...wow, that's a tough one. :rolleyes: :D I guess if it's not dangerous, I mean, if the majority of bullet goes out the FRONT end of the barrel, well.......

Guillermo
March 16, 2010, 07:24 PM
But, don't buy an RG

dude, if I have second thoughts about an old Rossi you know darned well I can't buy a german zip-gun

this is an old Rossi. not much blue left on it.

Actually thought it was a Smith when I looked in the case.

Didn't handle it. Might drop by maņana and look at it

jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2010, 07:24 PM
It is accurate, reliable, and if someone rips it off, you're out 100 bucks. What's not to like?
But, don't buy an RG. Do you always contradict yourself?

MCgunner
March 16, 2010, 07:26 PM
Eh? I gave 16.50 brand new for that RG from Gibson's discount in Lake Jackson, Texas in 1974. That Rossi is a friggin' KORTH by comparison...:rolleyes:

jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2010, 07:29 PM
MCgunner,your description of the Rossi also fits the RG(accurate reliable and small investment) yet you LIKE the Rossi not the RG.

Guillermo
March 16, 2010, 07:30 PM
the majority of bullet goes out the FRONT end of the barrel

that is funny stuff

MCgunner
March 16, 2010, 07:33 PM
MCgunner,your description of the Rossi also fits the RG(accurate reliable and small investment) yet you LIKE the Rossi not the RG.

I'm sorry, but in my experience, "Accurate" and "Reliable" are foreign to an RG. Click, click, bang, ouch, click, bang, ouch.....clunk (me throwing the thing out the window of my 64 chevy heavy half after I got enough of the POS). I didn't want it hurting me or someone standing next to me.

jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2010, 07:44 PM
I'm sorry, but in my experience, "Accurate" and "Reliable" are foreign to an RG. This is NOT MY experience with the ones I've used. I killed a bobcat with one while trapping beaver. It was NOT in a trap and had come out of the canes on me while I was wading upstream. One shot in the neck and it was lights out. That isn't even counting the trapped beaver,raccoons,fox and skunks killed that WERE in traps. Trust me they were not pointblank shots either(particularly the skunks). Mine NEVER failed to fire,never spit lead and carried very well in my pocket. I just don't understand why one gun that is reliable and accurate is acceptable and another that has the same attributes is not. Seems contradictory to me.

jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2010, 07:45 PM
RG or Buckmark... my point in the comparison being that they both do their job.

MCgunner
March 16, 2010, 07:54 PM
If you like your RG, if it works, great. I can't go to hard on it if they actually produced one that works, I guess. But, I'm guessing my Ruger Mark 2 will shoot rings around it. Hell, I bet my Phoenix Arms HP22 will. The 3" barrel groups 3" at 25 yards off bags. That thing is a cheap POS, but the accuracy is beyond explanation. You should see the wiggle in the barrel. I just don't understand how it could shoot so straight. So, I have cheap guns that do work. If your RG works for you, great, but I will never consider actually spending money on another one, just me.

BUT, that Phoenix Arms is in NO WAY a Ruger or Buckmark. :D I ain't gettin' THAT carried away!

6_gunner
March 16, 2010, 07:59 PM
My Dad used to have a little RG .22. It was 100% reliable and surprisingly accurate. If I found another one like it for $50 or so, I'd grab it in a heartbeat.

However, I don't think I'd trust something like that chambered in .44 Magnum! That's a pretty serious cartridge to fire out of a gun with a potmetal frame.

And for $300 your friend got hosed! You can get a Ruger Six Series for $300 if you shop around. I don't know about anybody else but for the same money I'd take a fine quality .357 over a VERY questionable .44 any day.

moxie
March 16, 2010, 09:18 PM
That is very scary. Even if it doesn't blow up, I would question its ability to fire a round with every trigger pull, and I would question whether it could hit anything more than a few inches away. I have seen a RG .22 miss at ten feet, which implies it caused the bullet to make a 90 degree turn after it left the barrel. This is what RG has done to the laws of physics. .44 mag...the horror!!

w_houle
March 16, 2010, 11:16 PM
I'd do it for $300 on an FTF deal, depending on how it looked... but I never was that bright:neener:
Oh yeah, I don't know how I could've forgotten my favorite... My RG-63 .38 spl. It's a kinda SAA clone, but also does DA. I don't get great groups with WWB 115gr FMJ, but it does 158gr LRN
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7090/imgp0002.jpg

jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2010, 11:30 PM
my Ruger Mark 2 will shoot rings around it. No argument there. I only wish people would rate each firearm by it's own merits not by the name on the side. There are threads going on here right now about Colts being out of time and poor CS by S&W,etc. yet everyone lauds them as "quality"(including me).

jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2010, 11:33 PM
I would question its ability to fire a round with every trigger pull, and I would question whether it could hit anything more than a few inches away No experience with one? As I have said MANY times on here. My Dad's NEVER misfired. That's pretty reliable in ANYONE'S book!

MCgunner
March 17, 2010, 12:16 AM
No argument there. I only wish people would rate each firearm by it's own merits not by the name on the side. There are threads going on here right now about Colts being out of time and poor CS by S&W,etc. yet everyone lauds them as "quality"(including me).

I hear ya. Just the RG deal. :D That .22 revolver really was crap with a capital C I had an RG26 I carried for years in a back pocket condition 3. it was a cheap .25ACP. Think Raven. It functioned 100 percent, but I couldn't hit squat past 15 feet with it. It did, however, run off a bum with a knife that wanted my wallet. THAT made it worth the 50 bucks it cost. :D He had a knife, came out of the shadows high noon in Galveston. First he asked me if I'd cash his social security check. :rolleyes: I'm thinkin', "do I have first national bank on my shirt?" Then he pulls the knife when I tell him no. So, I pulled the little RG and racked the slide. Last I saw of him was the bottoms of his shoes as he ran down the alley from whence he'd come.

That little .25 was cheap if I'd had to dump it, and small. Back then, it was illegal to carry so I really didn't wanna get caught doing it. It was no Les Bauer 1911, but hey, it was better'n nothin', sure beat a knife! :D

MCgunner
March 17, 2010, 12:20 AM
BTW, cool lookin' .38, but I'll keep my blackhawks. :D

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 12:25 AM
he pulls the knife when I tell him no. So, I pulled the little RG and racked the slide. Last I saw of him was the bottoms of his shoes as he ran down the alley from whence he'd come.

I had a similar experience in New Orleans, although the firearm was a Smith 19

MCgunner
March 17, 2010, 10:34 AM
dude, if I have second thoughts about an old Rossi you know darned well I can't buy a german zip-gun

this is an old Rossi. not much blue left on it.

Actually thought it was a Smith when I looked in the case.

Didn't handle it. Might drop by maņana and look at it

:D Just check it out good for head shake/gap/barrel/forcing cone/timing, etc. If it checks out, maybe it got carried a lot more than it got shot. Same for any brand revolver. Let us know what you find. Start a new thread if you buy it. :D

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 11:00 AM
Let us know what you find

Will do

stu454
March 17, 2010, 11:38 AM
The RGs indeed have pot metal frames(many top grade brands also use light weight frames) but the barrels and cylinders are steel(and that's where it counts).

Jimmy,

There's a difference between pot metal and aircraft grade aluminum and scandium alloy frames.

And since when did the frame not have anything to do with the strength of a revolver?

If that's the case let's make frames out of chocolate pudding; it's light, rust resistant and yummy.

w_houle
March 17, 2010, 11:45 AM
Yes, because Frames made from material other than unobtainium, and cannot last for 1,000,000 rounds are crap!
http://www.ruger.com/products/lcr/index.html?r=y

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 11:48 AM
am I reading this right? You are comparing a pot metal Rohm frame to an investment casted Ruger?

Wow!

MCgunner
March 17, 2010, 12:03 PM
I own Rugers, they're cast....of ordinance STEEL. :rolleyes: My P series (P85 and P90) have high grade aluminum alloy frames. My Taurus M85 SSUL has an aluminum alloy frame. That's a far, far cry from my Phoenix Arms' zinc alloy. :rolleyes:

Yeah, frame strengih IS a factor. I had a .44 caliber '51 Navy brass framed replica that proved it by stretching beyond belief in just 6 years of moderate frequency shooting.

I will say, though, that zinc alloy is strong enough for the mighty .22 LR. However, the thought of a zinc alloy frame on a FORTY FOUR MAGNUM makes me wince a bit. In the scheme of things, on light weight .38s of high quality, none of the manufacturers use aluminum alloy on their .357 magnum variants. The only alternative to steel is titanium or Smith's scandium. The ultralite/airweight aluminum alloy is not strong enough for the higher pressures of the magnum cartridge. I can visualize what the first shot out of a J frame .357 magnum with a zinc alloy frame would look like. It ain't a pretty picture, especially with a human hand holding the gun. To make zinc strong enough for a .44, that would have to be one BIG handgun. Probably outweigh my TC contender scope and all. :rolleyes:

w_houle
March 17, 2010, 12:05 PM
You are comparing a pot metal (crap) Rohm frame to an investment cast (digested food) Ruger?
Yeah, that I did, because it isn't:
...aircraft grade aluminum and scandium alloy frames.
... or maybe that's why Ruger had to make the frames so big. Because they are investment cast frames:rolleyes: Oh, and to top it all off the link I posted goes to the LCR, which also is made from polymer:uhoh:

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 12:10 PM
a- the cylinder frame of the LCR is aluminium
b- the "digested food" frame of the Ruger IS bigger
c- the casting of Ruger cannot be compared to pot metal

MCgunner
March 17, 2010, 12:18 PM
Ruger frames big? My SP101 was 27 ounces and I fired full bore 180 grain JHPs at over 1300 fps from its 2.3" barrel. I consider it as strong as a much bigger L frame Smith and Wesson. My .45 colt blackhawk in stainless weighs a tick over 40 ounces, right there with the N frame Smiths and it can shoot a higher pressure round than any .45 cal mountain gun. There are "Ruger/TC Only" loads in most reloading manuals for .45 Colt and for a reason.

The polymer grip frame on the LCR does the same thing as the aluminum grip frames on the Blackhawks, holds the grips. It is not a stress bearing part. Sounds like you need to read up a bit. I mean, I'm no metallurgist, but comparing a RG frame to a Ruger is just down right goofy, to be polite.

w_houle
March 17, 2010, 12:50 PM
Ruger frames big? My SP101 was 27 ounces and I fired full bore 180 grain JHPs at over 1300 fps from its 2.3" barrel. I consider it as strong as a much bigger L frame Smith and Wesson. My .45 colt blackhawk in stainless weighs a tick over 40 ounces, right there with the N frame Smiths and it can shoot a higher pressure round than any .45 cal mountain gun. There are "Ruger/TC Only" loads in most reloading manuals for .45 Colt and for a reason.
Until you get to ROA, which by all accounts cannot handle standard .45 ACP FMJ without blowing up or being shot to a smoothbore.
The polymer grip frame on the LCR does the same thing as the aluminum grip frames on the Blackhawks, holds the grips. It is not a stress bearing part. Sounds like you need to read up a bit. I mean, I'm no metallurgist, but comparing a RG frame to a Ruger is just down right goofy, to be polite.
It was a bit "tongue in cheek", as it were. I was pointing out the fallacy of the argument being that there is going to be better than what's being questioned.

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 01:04 PM
swerving back to what we are talking about, the frame strength of the Rohm is really really weak, no matter what it is made of.

Probably fine for a 22 but certainly not so for a 44 magnum

jimmyraythomason
March 17, 2010, 01:09 PM
Look what Stu's drive by ignited! The only problem you will face with a "cast" frame isnt in strenth (in normal use)but it can wear out around the pin holes loosening up the whole thing(not a problem in a gun that doesn't get shot much). The strength will come into play in the event that the barrel becomes obstructed or it is SERIOUSLY out of time. If that happens you got problems(even with higher quality weapons).

jimmyraythomason
March 17, 2010, 01:11 PM
certainly not so for a 44 magnum
Ever hear of one failing? I mean real life kaboom. Do you know anyone personally that has experienced such a failure?

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 01:22 PM
Ever hear of one failing?

Nope. Never heard of anyone firing one either. In fact I didn't realize that they actually made a 44 magnum until a couple of years ago.

I have heard about .38s and .357s grenading and saw a 38 with a severely cracked frame.

stu454
March 17, 2010, 01:30 PM
Another drive-by: Shooting a Rohm or other pot metal .44 Magnum is akin to walking across the freeway with your eyes closed.

You might survive, but why would you do something that dumb???

(and no I'm not saying that you face imminent death if you shoot a Rohm .44. I'm just saying why do something, well, dumb.)

jimmyraythomason
March 17, 2010, 01:41 PM
Well until I hear of someone ACTUALLY having a kaboom with an RG 44, I will file it away as a possibility not an inevitability(the same as any firearm). If there are some still out there that have been fired and are still in one piece then I guess they just didn't know that they were supposed to blow up.

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 01:57 PM
Well until I hear of someone ACTUALLY having a kaboom with an RG 44, I will file it away as a possibility not an inevitability

so grenading 38 Rohms, grenading 357 Rohms and cracked frame Rohms have no bearing on the explosive capability of a 44 magnum Rohm.

Wow.

jimmyraythomason
March 17, 2010, 02:00 PM
so grenading 38 Rohms, grenading 357 Rohms and cracked frame Rohms have no bearing on the explosive capability of a 44 magnum Rohm.
So, how many have you seen,personally or have you just heard about them?

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 02:13 PM
as I explained, saw a severely cracked frame on a 38 and have heard about other failures

Mp7
March 17, 2010, 02:15 PM
If thereīs just myths and no evidence ...
... and that Thing happends to work reliably
itīs a perfect HD weapon.

What did he pay for it?

hogshead
March 17, 2010, 02:26 PM
I ahd an RG 44 mag shot it quite a bit with wally world ammo, still have all fingers and toes. Never even spit lead .Got it for $150 was gonna use it as backup bear gun. Light and ugly just like I like'em. My buddy got to wanting it bad so being the kinda guy I am I let him have it [well for $200] He later told me it was a collectors item and he sold it for $750. I just smiled and said "Well good " Me thinks he lied.

jimmyraythomason
March 17, 2010, 02:28 PM
Me thinks he lied. Good call! FWIW,my .44 mag is a Taurus M44,6'' ported barrel.

hogshead
March 17, 2010, 02:36 PM
Yea Ive upgraded a little too. S@W 629, Ruger Super Redhawk, Ruger Vaquero in 44 and one SAW 500.WE wont talk about the 45LC's

jimmyraythomason
March 17, 2010, 02:50 PM
I let my Super Blackhawk get away,DRAT!

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 04:20 PM
itīs a perfect HD weapon

wow. This thread just keeps giving

w_houle
March 17, 2010, 06:15 PM
I think I'll just leave this here:eek:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/127186-329pd-blast-shield-erosion-w296.html

Guillermo
March 17, 2010, 06:33 PM
not sure what a scandium smith has to do with the subject at hand but it is interesting

stu454
March 17, 2010, 06:45 PM
I think he's showing that even 'name' guns have issues.

No argument here.

However, let's go skydiving and you can use this parachute that I picked up at the pawn shop for $300. It's got all of the stuff that the 'name' parachute has so it should be fine, right? The last guy that used it did okay, so you should be 100%.

;)

MCgunner
March 17, 2010, 09:17 PM
Until you get to ROA, which by all accounts cannot handle standard .45 ACP FMJ without blowing up or being shot to a smoothbore.


?????? I do not know what you're talking about. The "ROA" to me is the Ruger Old Army. My ROA is a muzzle loading cap and ball, the strongest, most accurate cap and ball ever designed and built and the best that ever was IMHO. Loading a full charge of compressed 777 in it gave me 1300 fps with a cast 220 grain Lee conical and was shooting 2" at 25 yards in the process. Recoil is impressive. This gun is built on a superblackhawk frame. It ain't weak. :rolleyes:

My .45 blackhawk is a 4 5/8" gun and can be loaded to over 1200 fps with a 300 grain bullet, though my load only pushes 1120. I don't get too carried away with it. It is a very strong gun, though. It's also a lot nicer to look at than a Rohm. :D

wcwhitey
March 17, 2010, 09:17 PM
"I had an RG 44 mag shot it quite a bit with wally world ammo, still have all fingers and toes. Never even spit lead .Got it for $150 was gonna use it as backup bear gun. Light and ugly just like I like'em. My buddy got to wanting it bad so being the kinda guy I am I let him have it [well for $200] He later told me it was a collectors item and he sold it for $750. I just smiled and said "Well good " Me thinks he lied." hogshead

At least we have actual experience. But just to be sure keep the .44 mags out and the .44 specials in. Past that as long as it works keep it. My question for the OP is how much is your buddy gonna shoot it. My take is that if he was a gun guy with intentions of doing a bunch of shooting he would already have known to stay away from the RG.

$300 for a gun that works and will sit in the drawer for years between shootings is not the worst deal in the world. I speak for everyone here that I would have liked to seen him lay down the same three bills on a used S&W K frame and have a reliable, accurate revolver that will last a lifetime. Bill

MCgunner
March 17, 2010, 09:41 PM
$300 for a gun that works and will sit in the drawer for years between shootings is not the worst deal in the world. I speak for everyone here that I would have liked to seen him lay down the same three bills on a used S&W K frame and have a reliable, accurate revolver that will last a lifetime.

Yeah, you can buy a lot of proven guns for less, too, used. 300 bucks will buy a NICE gun, one with a S&W on it, whatever, used. There are better quality (what ain't) guns for less brand new! Was lookin' at a 3" Rossi .38 at Academy the other day for 250. Say what ya want, but it has a warranty and is all steel.

jimmyraythomason
March 17, 2010, 09:44 PM
I speak for everyone here that I would have liked to seen him lay down the same three bills on a used S&W K frame and have a reliable, accurate revolver that will last a lifetime. Bill
I have to agree with this and what MCgunner said. RGs are okay if that is all you can afford but $300? that can afford a lot better than an RG.

jad0110
March 17, 2010, 10:25 PM
Nope. Never heard of anyone firing one either. In fact I didn't realize that they actually made a 44 magnum until a couple of years ago.

I didn't know they made a 44 magnum until yesterday when I read this thread!

As for a .44 Mag in a zinc alloy frame, I would think that even if a KB weren't a big threat (it does have a steel cylinder after all), that frame stretch (and resulting end shake, headspace issues and possible frame cracking) would be highly likely. Sounds like a gun that is not meant to be shot a lot.

jimmyraythomason
March 17, 2010, 10:52 PM
I didn't know they made a 44 magnum until yesterday when I read this thread!
I know they have been around at least since the late 1970s. It was the second DA revolver in .44 Remington magnum I had ever seen(after the S&W Model 29). The DW and Taurus 44 mags came along later. IIRC.

bobelk99
March 18, 2010, 12:06 AM
As a former dealer, I say NO to RG/Rohm in any heavy caliber.

jimmyraythomason
March 18, 2010, 12:20 AM
As a former dealer, I say NO to RG/Rohm in any heavy caliber.
I am also a former dealer and I disagree. I would love to own a .44 for shooting 44 specials in if I could get it for a reasonable price(re;<$100)

w_houle
March 18, 2010, 01:53 AM
This gun is built on a Super Blackhawk frame. It ain't weak
Oh, I know, I'm just a little put off that I went to go buy a conversion cylinder for it, all of the auctions said absolutely no ball ammunition.:cuss:
It's also a lot nicer to look at than a Rohm.
Depends on whether or not it has lawyer language on it:p
I have to agree with this and what MCgunner said. RGs are okay if that is all you can afford but $300? that can afford a lot better than an RG.
I tell ya what: Buy a .44 Mag for $300, and I'll buy it off you :D

Guillermo
March 18, 2010, 03:13 AM
Buy a .44 Mag for $300, and I'll buy it off you

why would I do that? Are you an evil person who has escaped prosecution?

jimmyraythomason
March 18, 2010, 08:56 AM
I tell ya what: Buy a .44 Mag for $300, and I'll buy it off you Okay,I paid $250+tx for my Taurus M44. I was talking about an HD weapon not necessarily a 44 mag. Do you think $300 was a fair price for that RG?

Guillermo
March 18, 2010, 10:31 AM
the only way that a Rohm is worth three hundred dollars is if you are a philanthropist trying to make the world a safer place

jimmyraythomason
March 18, 2010, 11:28 AM
That was a rhetorical question in response to:I tell ya what: Buy a .44 Mag for $300, and I'll buy it off you

MCgunner
March 18, 2010, 12:36 PM
Quote:
This gun is built on a Super Blackhawk frame. It ain't weak



Oh, I know, I'm just a little put off that I went to go buy a conversion cylinder for it, all of the auctions said absolutely no ball ammunition.

I'm not sure why. Mine shoots .45 colt JHPs just fine. Ball ain't any harder on a bore than a 300 grain JHP at 1120 fps. Mine shoots both that load and my light 255 cast flat point into 1" at 25 yards. Essentially, the gun is more accurate than I am.

*edit hours later* I realize you're talkin' about the ROA now. The above was a reply about the Blackhawk. I never heard of a .45ACP cylinder for the ROA. It may be a bore diameter thing, not sure. I never considered a conversion cylinder for mine. I have the Blackhawk in .45 Colt for cartridges and I cast my one 220 grain bullets and can even make my own caps for the ROA. Why would I bother with a conversion cylinder?

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It's also a lot nicer to look at than a Rohm.



Depends on whether or not it has lawyer language on it

It has the "billboard", but I stick by my statement. :rolleyes:

http://i50.tinypic.com/2j4sqxx.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh305/goose150/PICT0045.jpg

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=46085&d=1160350205

MCgunner
March 18, 2010, 12:53 PM
the only way that a Rohm is worth three hundred dollars is if you are a philanthropist trying to make the world a safer place


BWAAAA, ha, ha, ha. I like that one. :D

I think I gave about 150 for that Blackhawk and a Rossi 971 in trade. This was a while back, mid 90s. It was a fair deal at the time, I thought. I gave about 150 for the Rossi, but that was wholesale. I was a "kitchen table dealer" at the time. Of course, I spent more on it. I liked it so much I had it engraved (250 bucks) and put a set of sanbar stags from Ajax on it (70 bucks). Before they went belly up, Ajax listed those grips for 300, then they didn't offer 'em anymore. Guess they're getting rare. Good for the value of the gun, though. :D

Guillermo
March 18, 2010, 01:17 PM
BRAIN STORM!!! We can drop Rohm 44 mags and high pressure ammo into the mountains of Afghanistan. The bad guys will use them and blow off their hands!

Nah...the geneva convention probably will not allow that kind of dastardly act

Confederate
March 18, 2010, 02:44 PM
If you want to see in detail the fine quality and craftsmanship of an RG, CLICK ON THIS LINK (http://www.geturguns.com/catalog/zen-cart-v1.3.8a-full-fileset-12112007/images/Shonk%20Iver,%20Italy,%20Rohm,%20Win%20051.JPG). Amazing, eh?

You'll notice a few "tool marks" here and there, but overall a fine revolver!

I'd still like to see some photos of the .44. So far, this is the only one I could find. The original was tiny and dark. I lightened it a bit and enlarged it.

If I found one of these in good condition for $125, I'd probably buy it just as a conversation piece.


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/RG44mag.jpg

jimmyraythomason
March 18, 2010, 03:07 PM
fine quality and craftsmanship of an RG, Has EVERYBODY missed the whole point that I have been trying to make? NODODY and certainly not me is arguing that the RGs are anywhere near what ANYONE would consider "quality". They are rough,they fit so-so and they die an early death if shot humpteen times. BUT if you get one that hasn't already been shot to death it will do fine as a defense weapon that is only shot a few times a year. If it is out of time JUNK IT! If you see cracks or stretching in the frame,JUNK IT! BUT if it is still in time without any frame problems,load it up and put it in your bedside drawer and know that it WILL FIRE when called upon and WILL NOT BLOW YOUR HAND OFF! This "hand grenade" bull is just so much internet jibberish that just keeps going and going and going...

Confederate
March 18, 2010, 07:16 PM
If you click on my link, you'll see that I was referring to a completely different gun. I haven't seen the .44 mag, but it appears to be made of better steel and have far better grips. That said, I wouldn't want to be holding it when it did fail. Hopefully those cracks would appear first, but why would someone want a .44 mag for defense?

The RGs I've shot haven't fired two or three times out of six. If you find one that does shoot reliably, buy it if that's all your life is worth, or if you just can't afford anything else. Frankly, I can find better weapons, including decent pepper spray, like Inferno, which uses both red and black pepper.

FoMoGo
March 18, 2010, 08:10 PM
Why would someone want a .44 mag for defense?I carry a .44 magnum as an EDC.
It works, it is reliable, I dont have to worry about the BG hiding behind most objects if the fit hits the shan...
I shoot it well and have total confidence in the round.


Jim

jimmyraythomason
March 18, 2010, 08:24 PM
buy it if that's all your life is worth, You were doing good until this.

BUFF
March 18, 2010, 10:30 PM
Your pic is right on Confederate..same gun,different grips. I got with my buddy today and took a couple of photos of his. I'm working on getting them posted here if I can get the photo link crap worked out.

BUFF
March 18, 2010, 10:39 PM
http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/Buff_album/?action=view&current=IMG_1137.jpg

:banghead:

BUFF
March 18, 2010, 10:50 PM
While handling this thing today I felt a little more at ease with it. It feels robust and cylinder lockup was tight (cylinder does turn the wrong way). The barrel was tight. The cylinder seemed to tighten ever more as trigger is pulled. The grips are rubber and comfortable. I still wouldn't fire with magnums. I think he'll be ok using .44 specials.

hogshead
March 18, 2010, 10:50 PM
You got half of it figgured out your still ahead of me though.

Confederate
March 18, 2010, 11:13 PM
I carry a .44 magnum as an EDC. It works, it is reliable, I don't have to worry about the BG hiding behind most objects if the fit hits the shan... I shoot it well and have total confidence in the round.
Well, that's because you're not the guy standing behind the bad guy! Or the guy down the street reading to his kids. I also can't envision too many incidents where you, as a law-abiding CCW holder, will have to shoot it out with a guy hiding behind a barrier thick enough to stop a .357!

If you find one that does shoot reliably, buy it if that's all your life is worth, or if you just can't afford anything else.
I have a Jennings J-22 that I would bet my life on. Why? Because it works every time I pull the trigger. But, if I were going out for a stroll in a bad neighborhood, I'd choose my Beretta Jetfire .25ACP...unless I had something better. Still, you reach a point of diminishing return. That return is several steps up from an RG revolver.

If I had an RG revolver that worked every time I pulled the trigger and had my choice between that and a Beretta Tomcat .32 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVeXUpBOfpc), I'd take the RG. Why? Because the Tomcat's frame can crack without notice and jam, and it can jam after going for hundreds of rounds. It can crack and the very next round can malfunction, and the life of the gun is at an end!

If facing a grizzly bear would you rather have a .22LR or a canister of pepper spray? If you could have a Jennings that works or an RG that doesn't, which would you pick? If you could afford a better gun in defense of your life, would you do it or save a hundred dollars or so that will be spent and gone before the month's out?

One reason I don't sell my guns is because they're worth far more than anything I want. If I need a big screen TV, I'll sell something else...go without desserts, eat chicken more often. I learned long ago that nothing will ever bring back that gun you thought you'd just get another of down the line. It won't be there! (The 4-inch 686 I sold years ago just isn't available anymore. No more chromed triggers and hammers, no more beautiful wood grips, no more integral front sights on stainless steel that looks like it was finished with sandpaper!)

We're just talking common sense. Obviously some people only carry guns because they fear attack. They may not care about guns one way or the other. Years ago, a guy in Washington, D.C., was in an elevator and was attacked by a couple of guys. He had an illegal Raven .25 which he used to save his life and it was only the NRA who saved his bacon. Unfortunately, many of these people have never even fired their guns, and with an RG, that would be very, very dangerous.

That's my point.


P.S. -- In a 2004 post here, one fellow talked about his RG .22. "Never had any misfires but one day the back of the frame disappeared. Snapped the barrel out with out much force. Put it in the trash can were it belonged!" The next post read: "My friend had a Rohm RG24 up until yesterday. Unluckily, he doesn't research any of his purchases and paid $100 for a used one at a gun show. It fires about 2 out of 5 shots....so we had to destroy it." Me, the second gun I ever owned was an RG single action and I LOVED it. It felt and looked much like the toy gun I had as a kid. Sure I had to tighten the grips every time I shot it, but it was chromed and cost $65. It's one reason I have a Ruger Single-Six today.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Snap4.jpg


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/Jesse1425/gas/25071.jpg

Beretta Tomcat is a great gun until the frame
cracks and the gun becomes an instant paper-weight.

hogshead
March 18, 2010, 11:17 PM
Ok I'm a little confused are you taking up for RG or downing them?

FoMoGo
March 18, 2010, 11:38 PM
Im going to overpenetrate?
Mind using your super powers and telling me what load I am carrying... what the penetration on it is?
In a shootout, that goes more than 2 shots... how many misses are there?
A miss is the ultimate in overpenetration.
So, unless you practice to the point that you NEVER miss, no matter the stress or situation... then personally I feel overpenetration is the least of my worries.
I have the option to carry anything from 600fps .44 special cowboy loads to 310gr garrett hammerheads... and everything in between.
I think some people are hung up on the "magnum" name.
I can punch thru both doors of a car with 250 gr .44 specials.


Jim

Ruger Redhawk
March 19, 2010, 12:10 AM
Man I can feel the love for the RG's. Many years ago I worked at Gun shop in South Florida.Seems like many of the cheap guns were made or imported to S.FL. RG I know exactly where they were located right off the Miami River.RG's were so cheaply made the gunshop I worked at refused to sell them for liability reasons. Right down the street from the shop was FIE.They carried the Arminius.Another potmetal jewel. I met owner of FIE a couple times I believe his name was Tony. My now ex knew him from the PO.I talked to him about buying a few of the FIE's just to sweeten deals on trades. He flat out told me you don't want any of these.About a mile or two away was Universal Firearms who made M-1 carbine's and the M-1 pistols "Enforcers" if I remember right they were called. What I'm getting at I saw allot of cheap guns but I would have to rate the RG as the cheapest and worst quailty so called gun I've ever seen.There is no way I would ever shoot a RG 44mag. If you do make sure your health insurance is paid and you have life insurance.Chances are you'll be using one of them.

stevec22
August 14, 2010, 12:27 PM
For those of you who may still be looking for pictures of the Rohm 44 mag, let me know. I just picked one up yesterday, before reading all the negatives here. It seems to be decently made.

But also I will pass on the advice to limit it to 44 spc to whomever buys it.

wow6599
August 14, 2010, 12:36 PM
Yeah.......I wouldn't shoot one. I like my hands too much.

jimmyraythomason
August 14, 2010, 12:43 PM
I like my hands too much. If it was in time(and you kept your fingers away front the cylinder gap)they would be quite safe.

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