Best entry level .22 host for a suppressor


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sgtdevildog
March 17, 2010, 08:35 AM
So, I've now got my trust formed and about to order a suppressor. Since I don't have a host for it yet I've begun the search. For cost purposes I'm going to go with a .22 host since I don't really have anywhere that will let me shoot any rifles suppressed. I guess the most popular are the Ruger MK II/III and the buckmarks. I've got to do some homework and see if any local smiths will thread the barrel and move the sights on standard pistols or whether I need to look at Tactical Solutions barrels for them. I guess I'm leaning towards the browning for ease of disassembly/cleaning. I don't feel like dropping 500 or so on a Marvel conversion for my .45 as I already have a standard unit 1 and they don't sell just the threaded barrel parts. Am I missing any obvious choices or considerations? Thanks for the info.

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ArmedBear
March 17, 2010, 08:58 AM
The Ruger is easy to disassemble and clean if you know how to do it (not the song and dance in the manual). The advantage it has is that you don't need to remove sights or optics to do a full cleaning.

I have a Mark II and a couple 22/45s, and I prefer the 22/45s for general-purpose use. A Herrett target grip really made the Mark II into a serious target pistol, but it's not something you can holster.

KingTiger
March 17, 2010, 09:13 AM
My Buckmark Camper with 4" TacSol has become my favorite .22 host pistol. The 4" barrel helps keep most rounds subsonic, although it cycles CCI & Winchester subsonic rounds fine. It also balances nicely w/the suppressor attached and isn't overly long or heavy. You can do the trigger spring "flip" for free and cut your trigger pull in half. The Ruger's serial # is on the barrel, so if you order a new one it has to go thru a FFL. It is much easier to clean than my Mk II, which IMO is a major plus, since the blow back is greater when shooting suppressed. I just run an optic, so losing the front sight wasn't an issue for me. I was on the waiting list for the Marvel, but after 3 months of waiting (2 years ago) I went other routes.

jmorris
March 17, 2010, 09:59 AM
The Walther P-22 makes a good "entry level" pistol as the barrel is already threaded and adapters to 1/2 28 are everywhere. I found a used Ruger M3 barrel and moved the sight back, threaded the barrel and modified it to work on my M2. If I couldn't do the job myself I would have just ordered a new upper. The host I use the most is an advantage arms .22 conversion for a glock. I had to order the extended barrel, thread it and make an adapter similar to the P22 but it's silly light and really fun to shoot.

Arkady
March 17, 2010, 11:40 AM
Go with the Ruger. Simple, accurate, reliable.

The Sig Mosquito is available with a threaded barrel from the factory, but I ran into reliability issues with mine (very ammo sensitive).

The Walther P22 is popular, but I've seen several slides break in the hands of high volume shooters--I've personally seen two of them, and have read 3 or 4 more accounts of it happening on various gun boards.

The Buckmark is a well regarded host, but you get a little more action noise than with the Ruger.

waterhouse
March 17, 2010, 01:22 PM
If your local smith can't do it, SRT did my buckmark for a reasonable fee. I'm very happy with it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/waterhouse/IMGP2775.jpg

Nothing wrong with the Rugers, but I prefer the buckmark, so that's what I had threaded. Browning also has a buckmark that comes pre-threaded now, called the Whisper:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/023614067085.html

CoRoMo
March 17, 2010, 01:46 PM
How do you like the TAC 65?

Wahoo95
March 17, 2010, 02:03 PM
I like my TAC65 overall, however if I were to do it all over again I'd get a SWR Spectre for ease of cleaning.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/a996hawk/IMG_2803.jpg

pikid89
March 17, 2010, 02:40 PM
i dont have a suppressor, but i do have both a mkII and a buckmark...and i greatly prefer the ruger...i think its actually easier to clean than the buckmark...and i dont like how my hand gets peppered with gas and powder when i shoot the buckmark

Zak Smith
March 17, 2010, 02:51 PM
Before I bought a .22 pistol as a host for dedicated suppressed shooting, I fired a pretty wide array of designs, suppressed. One aspect that eventually sold me on the Ruger MKII/III was the lack of gas/debris blowback into my face compared to the designs that were more open while the action cycled, such as the various 1911 conversion kits, the Browning, SIG, Walther, etc. The Ruger's breech is almost completely enclosed even during firing, with the exception of the small ejection port, and it has no direct gas path straight rearward from the chamber.

I used the Tac-Sol upper, but for those considerations, it's no different than the factory upper.
http://demigodllc.com/photo/TBAC-22/smaller/D462_5076_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/photo/TBAC-22/?small=D462_5076_img.jpg)

For non-suppressed shooting, I strongly preferred the .22 1911 conversion (think it was Marvel- there are newer ones on the market now); but suppressed it had considerable blow-back.

Also, on most of them, there is no need to move the front sight. We've done a bunch of these:
http://demigodllc.com/photo/TBAC-22/smaller/D462_4979_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/photo/TBAC-22/?small=D462_4979_img.jpg)
A very clean install.

jmorris
March 17, 2010, 03:16 PM
Also, on most of them, there is no need to move the front sight. We've done a bunch of these:


Is that female threads and an adaptor?

Zak Smith
March 17, 2010, 03:19 PM
Yes, we countersink a new crown and put female threads inside the old muzzle, and then a male "cap" that makes it look seamless when the suppressor isn't used. To mount the suppressor, we provide a male-male "joiner" that screws into the new muzzle threads and the suppressor.

-z

Lightsped
March 17, 2010, 03:23 PM
Ok, I'll play. Here is mine. Runs great with the CCI ammo. The base gun is a used 1986 model. Installed the TacSol upper and added the can.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j302/Lightsped/my%20guns/myrugertacsolsuppressor4.jpg

Prince Yamato
March 17, 2010, 04:04 PM
I used to have a Walther P22 with thread adapter. It worked great with my AAC Pilot. In fact, it's a pretty durable little pistol. The only problem is that it's not super accurate. I sold it for a Buckmark with a Tac-Sol upper. That is SUPER accurate. I went with the Buckmark over the Mark III because the upper is not the "firearm" and I could purchase multiple uppers if I chose to. It's also a cinch to take apart.

garyhan
March 18, 2010, 05:00 AM
I would go with the pre-threaded Buckmark Whisper. Will save you a bundle over the Pac Sol upper, or having another model threaded. The Whisper is available through Lipsey's.

gary

waterhouse
March 18, 2010, 08:27 AM
How do you like the TAC 65?

I tend to agree with Wahoo. I like it, and I'm amazed at how quiet it is, and think it is a good product, but if I did it all over again I'd get something different, namely something capable of handling 17 HMR.

sgtdevildog
March 18, 2010, 12:20 PM
So is blowback enough of an annoyance to consider a more enclosed system? I would think at arms length it would have to be pretty severe to become an issue?

Zak Smith
March 18, 2010, 02:28 PM
It was for me.

waterhouse
March 18, 2010, 02:48 PM
So is blowback enough of an annoyance to consider a more enclosed system?

I don't even notice it. I kind of went the opposite of Zak, I shot several and the Ruger (it wasn't mine, and it may have had too much oil on it or something) built up a lot of crap and sludge, so I wanted to make sure I got something that was open to allow the crap somewhere to go.

Deltaboy
April 4, 2010, 08:07 PM
I want to get into this game one of these days.

Prince Yamato
April 4, 2010, 08:10 PM
I want to get into this game one of these days.

AAC Pilot= $350
Tax Stamp = $200

If you have $550 tops, you're basically there.

kentucky_smith
April 5, 2010, 09:45 PM
AAC Pilot= $350
Tax Stamp = $200

If you have $550 tops, you're basically there


...and patience.

cavman
April 5, 2010, 09:54 PM
What does threading do to accuracy shooting?

can I take one of my Model 41s used for Bullseye and thread it for a suppressor? (If I wanted to use one of the back ups will it still shoot as well when the can of off?)

Or get another .22 for the can?

Arkady
April 6, 2010, 10:58 AM
Many people (myself included) have found that a good quality suppressor on well done threads will actually give a slight increase in accuracy.

The presence of the suppressor will change your POI a bit, but as long as the shift is consistent, you're good to go.

Wahoo95
April 12, 2010, 07:24 PM
Dont remember who, but there's a company out there that sells threaded barrels for Model 41's.

sgtdevildog
April 13, 2010, 07:14 AM
I think the model 41 barrels are called bully barrels.

dom1104
April 13, 2010, 07:50 AM
Wahoo95, wow. I need to get that done for my Kadet kit.

How in the world did you get a threaded barrel? I need details, papa needs a new toy.

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