Black Rifle Build


March 18, 2010, 06:07 PM
I want a 20'' AR-15 with a decent trigger, free float quad rail, stainless barrel, flip up front and rear sight, hogue pistol grip, a2 stock, vortex flash hider, and then I want to add an acog and a bipod for a dmr/m16-a4 type setup. I cannot build any parts of this ar and I want to get it the cheapest way possible. What do I do? So far this looks between $1400 and $1600 (off the rock river website).

I want the gun to be able to shoot around 600 yards, maybe 800.

What does model 1 sales do? I went to their website and looked up everything there; it turned out to be a whopping $750 for most the things I wanted. I visited this part of the website:

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March 18, 2010, 06:45 PM
I think if you buy everything used you should easily be able to stay within your budget. I would look on at the used parts section, and start from there. For the trigger I would say go with a rock river 2 stage, hard to beat for the money. YHM also makes a great quality quad rail on the cheap side.

March 18, 2010, 07:53 PM
What is listed might reach 800 to 1000m, but it will take yards of elevation and luck to hit a target. Hopefully it won't bounce off the paper - extreme ranges require more energy, which is why bigger calibers with bullets of better ballistic coefficient are chosen over the 5.56.

You may find you have to cut your range expectation in half, or double the budget and get a 6.5 Grendel or .308. Unless you live near a 1000m range, add the expense of the trip to even shoot at that distance. Even getting to the target to pull it will take a motor vehicle or radio communications with a pit crew. It will take more time driving down to the target than trigger time at the line.

If you're not already winning 400 yard matches at the local range, get the opinion of those that are about how to start out at long distance precision. You find it's not really all about the gun, it's about the training, experience and patience.

March 18, 2010, 07:59 PM
600m is prob about the max a 233/5.56 can do......but as far as your needs for accuracy White Oak Armament has the upper you need i have one of there 18inch barrels and it is the most accurate AR I've ever shot.....notice i said I've ever shot.i know theres allot of outher manufators that build super accurate AR's,check out white oak

March 18, 2010, 09:25 PM
You can make it to 1,000 yards, but i'd make sure to get a 1-6.5 or a 1-7 in twist and some 85+ grain bullets, and enough skill to read the wind.

Good luck!

March 18, 2010, 09:33 PM
I'd jump up to 6.8spc or 6.5grendel. Or look into a Armalite AR10T.

May also want more magnification.

March 18, 2010, 09:34 PM
.....1k yards? from a .223? ....lolololol

We're talking actually hitting something, not just pointing it up in the air and seeing if it can go that far before it buries in the dirt.

March 18, 2010, 10:44 PM
Take a look here.

Not sure how to make it an actual link.

D Tech has a good rep for building accurate rifles. Also has some available in WSSM selection.
Around $800 for an accurate upper, you supply the lower. Accurate wont be cheap. A D-Tech upper is going to be a better bet for long range than a run of the mill (Model-1) rifle.

Not sure why you need a quad rail hand guard on a target rifle. If you just need free float it would be cheaper. Forget the back up sights and put the money to a scope and a good rings. It's your rifle however so build it as you need.

I have done the same thing only to realize that the quad rail is really a waste of time and money if you don't need to mount anything. A light if you shoot at night. Infra red laser for marking targets for aircraft support? The bipod can mount on a sling swivel. If you have a free float end on it you can mount a sling stud and be done. No need to spend the extra dough for something you wont ever use. I have one with a quad rail and I have never actually used it. I have standard hand guards on another and a short section of rail I mount a light on.

My target AR has a free float hand guard that is just a round tube. The bipod mounts to the sling stud. I have never needed anything else on it.

I am not nit picking or trying to dissuade you from doing what you want. Only trying to help save you money by not doing the things I did and end up frustrated from spending extra on stuff I didn't need. Over at the AR web sites they will tell you that you need everything ever made hanging off the front of you rifle.

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