Model 1 Sales- Ar-15


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sprice
March 18, 2010, 08:33 PM
Who can tell me about this company? I would like to get this kit: http://model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=KSE200&storeid=1&image=s20prek.gif&CFID=60508818&CFTOKEN=97275998.

Can I really get a reliable (for an ar) and accurate rifle of this style for $750?What's the catch?

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paulo
March 18, 2010, 08:41 PM
What do you want to do with it? They have been around for some time. You used to be able to put together a Rock River NM for around $1200

sprice
March 18, 2010, 08:43 PM
Everything. It's just going to be a good all around rifle. I'm going for the DMR/M16-A4 look with an acog and bipod.

ants
March 18, 2010, 08:51 PM
They sell pretty decent stuff. I have a stainless steel barrel, a complete upper, and other miscellaneous parts from Model 1. They are normal good quality commercial parts, no worse and no better than average. They fit together with all the other standard commercial parts I have.

Like many others, they provide a myriad of different parts. You can build whatever configuration of AR you want, depending upon how much you have to spend. You determine your budget first. Include the cost of the lower, and don't forget the taxes and fees associated with the FFL dealer.

bkjeffrey
March 18, 2010, 09:12 PM
Can I really get a reliable (for an ar) and accurate rifle of this style for $750?What's the catch?

The catch is where is says "All kits less stripped lower reciever"

You can order that kit and have it shipped to you door, the UPS man will leave it on your step. Then you gotta go find yourself a stripped lower to assemble. The upper reviever will come completly built from Model 1, ready to pin onto your lower when you buid it. Lowers are easy to assemble, just look on youtube for instructionals.

Ive seen stripped lowers going on the internet for as low as $80. Figure about $15 shipping and average $25-$30 transfer fees and your done. Thats the cheapest route. My local gun shop sells stripped lowers for $159!!!! Thats outrageous!.

So, yea, for under $820 you can have the AR in the link you posted.

As far as Model 1 as a company, I like them. I have built two guns from them. They use E.R. Shaw barrels. Pretty decent there. Customer service is awesome. I had a $5 cam pin that developed a crack in it. I discovered the crack while cleaning. I called Model 1 and in a few days I had a WHOLE NEW BOLT CARRIER AND BOLT ASSY! Thats taking care of business right. They ship fast and stand behind their stuff from MY experience.

If thats the best deal you can find on the exact rifle you want, go for it. Check Centerfire Systems for stripped lowers, chances are your local gun dealer already has his FFL on file and current with them. Mine does.

NRA-Highmaster
March 18, 2010, 10:53 PM
No catch. I`ve put together around 15 ARs using Model 1 and J&T kits. There ain`t nothin wrong with them. Lowers seem to have come back down to earth, which makes building one more attractive.

sprice
March 18, 2010, 10:59 PM
so all I need is an ar stripped lower?

C-grunt
March 19, 2010, 04:42 AM
Yep.

devildog4329
March 19, 2010, 04:53 AM
+1 for model1sales. I used them to build my first AR a 24inch bull barrel and will use them again to build my M4 copy.

greyling22
March 19, 2010, 10:33 AM
I just ordered a DSA blemished stripped lower for $66 shipped. Cheapest I've seen in a while.

dovedescending
March 19, 2010, 10:48 AM
Thank God lowers are cheap again. This site looks like a great place to buy from if you want to slowly accumulate parts instead of buying a complete rifle.

HOLY DIVER
March 19, 2010, 09:04 PM
i'm not a fan of model1......BRAVO COMPANY MACHINE is the ticket

Mags
March 19, 2010, 11:20 PM
Holy Diver, What is your experience with Model 1?

noob_shooter
March 20, 2010, 01:58 AM
BRAVO COMPANY MACHINE is the ticket

too bad, they usually out of stock all the time..

SOFDC
March 21, 2010, 08:32 AM
I put together a M1S 20 inch A2 rifle kit, I made sure I picked a 5.56mm chamber rather than .223, and a chrome lining for the barrel, they sent me what I ordered fairly quickly and 2500 rounds of wolf later it broke all my expectations for a "cheap" AR15.

During initial break in I had some problems with case rims being torn away by the extractor, approximately 6 of these in the first 500 rounds. Problem has not recurred. (Bad lot of ammo??)

Had a malfunction where the hammer wasnt cocked when the bolt went forward on loading at approximately round 1500...dunno what caused it, hasnt happened before or since.

Several 29th round bolt-over-base malfunctions...before i trashed the 20 year old USGI mags I had and went to PMAGs.

Broke the charging handle at some point or another, didnt notice until the charging handle wouldnt return to battery when I released it. How long it had been cracked and bent I have no idea. (Keep a spare around, these have a nasty habit of breaking when put under hard use.)

Broke the firing pin dry firing the thing. Replaced, bought snapcaps.

It's been rained on, bashed into trees and corners by my clumsy butt, dumped in the mud, ran 500 rounds a day for two days with no oil or cleaning, left to rust (RUST ON AN AR!?!) and generally abused far in excess of what it probably should've been.

If I was going to grab a rifle for "srs bzns" would I take my M1S AR in preference to my Colt 6940? Heck no. If I was putting together an AR that I wanted to take no chances with as far as performance, and could afford Colt/Bravo/Noveske/etc. would I use M1S parts? No. Would I hesitate if all I had was 600 dollars or so to spend on the rifle? Not a moment.

Go get PMAGs, a d-fender for the extractor spring (or at the VERY least a #60 o-ring from the nearest hardware store. 10 cents, no excuse not to do at least this.) loctite all screws and make sure the carrier keys are staked, don't shoot brass cased after steel cased without a cleaning between the two, keep it clean, and there is no such thing as too much oil with an AR15. These are general AR15 owner tips here, not specific to M1S. Doing the above will help.

Only other thing I might suggest is a bravo/colt bolt carrier group kept in reserve when you're a few thousand rounds down the road. Bolts and cam pins can/will wear out and break, pay attention for cracks and excessive wear on these parts when you clean the weapon.

The "Catch" to model 1 sales and similar "cheap" AR15 parts companies is that you have a somewhat higher chance of getting parts that would've been caught by more stringent QC. I've heard of soft FCG parts and bolt hold opens, i've heard of bolts snapping at the cam pin hole way, WAY before they ever should have, i've heard tales of unending malfunctions...but wether that was because out of something wrong with the rifle itself, or the guy who ordered it trying to stuff a thousand rounds of wolf or 5.56mm into a tight-end-of-spec unchromed .223 chamber out of a decades old USGI armory reject magazine with a black follower and original spring without any thought of terms like "Basic weapon maintenance" or "break-in period" ...well...your guess is as good as mine. As I said before, I wouldn't take my M1S in preference to my 6940 for any serious duty, but it IS rather nice having an AR15 I can treat like an AK and not feel bad about it. :D

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