would you use a 150 grn 308 bullet for elk?


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grubbylabs
March 18, 2010, 10:43 PM
Why or why not?

I have the Speer #13 book and I either have the choice of a 165 or a 150 grn bullet.

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dakotasin
March 18, 2010, 10:53 PM
no because i think 165 grain bullets are much better.

grubbylabs
March 18, 2010, 11:02 PM
Does any one know if there is data in their #14 book for a 155 grn bullet or a 160grn?

EHCRain10
March 18, 2010, 11:05 PM
Depends on the bullet and the cartridge firing the bullet

grubbylabs
March 18, 2010, 11:07 PM
I am shooting a 308.

KBintheSLC
March 18, 2010, 11:11 PM
For smaller animals like antelope or whitetail, the 150g would be great. But for a larger animal like an elk, I would opt for something heavier to slow the bullet deformation and increase penetration... something in the 165-180g range.

375shooter
March 18, 2010, 11:16 PM
I have never hunted elk but I have hunted moose. If I never had a choice, I would use a 150 gr in 308 Win but it would have to be a Barnes TSX. I would be very careful about where I placed my shot and would much prefer a 180 grain.

Austinite
March 18, 2010, 11:23 PM
Bullet selection becomes really important with a 150 grain pill fired out of a .308 intended for elk. Most 150 grain bullets are ok but a few including Barnes' X bullet are great.

browningguy
March 18, 2010, 11:25 PM
I would not hesitate with the 150 gr TSX bullet.

jpwilly
March 19, 2010, 12:02 AM
Why not? Folks shoot 150Gr or less 270's and 7mm rounds with 150gr pills all the time. Why wouldn't a good 150gr work in a 30 cal?

Vicious-Peanut
March 19, 2010, 12:15 AM
Why not? Folks shoot 150Gr or less 270's and 7mm rounds with 150gr pills all the time. Why wouldn't a good 150gr work in a 30 cal?

Because a 150gr .270 has a high sectional density than a 150gr .308. In fact, a 150gr .270 has better sectional density than 180gr .308.

Arkansas Paul
March 19, 2010, 12:15 AM
For smaller animals like antelope or whitetail, the 150g would be great. But for a larger animal like an elk, I would opt for something heavier to slow the bullet deformation and increase penetration... something in the 165-180g range.


^ My thoughts exactly.

stubbicatt
March 19, 2010, 12:19 AM
I would not think that a 150 would be too little. After all it is shot placement that counts, and I'm pretty sure that a 150 would carry enough other than for something like a Texas Heart Shot or something.

Birddog1911
March 19, 2010, 12:25 AM
Bolt gun or gas gun? Bolt; I say take it to a 180. Gas; I say 165 to 175. Watch your pressures, and you'll be fine. A 150 grn .308 can drop an elk, but when your hunting, better to stack things in your deck.

Ridgerunner665
March 19, 2010, 12:39 AM
For elk....at least 165 grains and no Ballistic Tips or anything of the sort.

Personally, I'd go with 175-180 grain bullets for elk.

ms6852
March 19, 2010, 12:51 AM
As always barring bullet place you really could but why. There is a lot be be said for sectional density and a 165 or 180 grain bullet offers more. You stand a better chance of tracking a wounded elk with a 150 gr than you would with a 165 grain and so on.

jpwilly
March 19, 2010, 01:57 AM
Because a 150gr .270 has a high sectional density than a 150gr .308. In fact, a 150gr .270 has better sectional density than 180gr .308.

Yea by around .008 but no matter. A 150gr bullet will do the job. I didn't say a 165, 180, 200, 220 grain bullet wouldn't be a little better depending on the game and for Elk 165 and 180's are pretty common but so are 150gr and they have been working for years too.

natman
March 19, 2010, 05:24 AM
Not if I had a choice. A 180 is much better suited for elk.

bubbajoe45
March 19, 2010, 05:35 AM
Use the 165, or better yet a 175 or 180. For a heavy boned animal like elk, you need that penetration.

Loading data can be found on the powder manufacturer's website in most cases (Hodgon and IMR). Also, Hodgon puts out a marketing flyer covering all their powders - I got one at a local gunstore. It has min/max load data for all calibers suitable to a given powder. I imagine the other mfg.s may do these as well.

AzBuckfever
March 19, 2010, 05:46 AM
Yes, if I were within 300 yds....anything past that and I think heavier is better....I used to have a go to load for my 30-06....165 grn for deer and elk....right now I have some 180 grn. reloads that I'll be using on deer. A little heavy but so are the deer :D

Lloyd Smale
March 19, 2010, 09:43 AM
A pile of elk have been killed over the years using 3030s 303 300 savages and even rounds alot less powerful then that. I dont think theres an elk on the planet that would walk away from a 150 corelock shoot into its lungs. Place it poorly and it will run away wounded but the same can be said about a 300 mag shooting 180 partitions.

SaxonPig
March 19, 2010, 09:56 AM
After I saw elk in the wild for the first time, and realized how big they are, I decided that the 30 caliber is a little light. I know elk are shot with 30s all the time but I would prefer a 338 or even a 375 because I follow the Elmer Keith concept of using enough gun.

I wonder how many elk run off to die days later after being hit with a 308 or '06 round?

Water-Man
March 19, 2010, 09:58 AM
165 or 180!

jpwilly
March 19, 2010, 10:35 AM
Hey grubbylabs...if you can load either load the 165gr but I wouldn't hesitate to use 150's either. I think there a little too much to do about the 15gr difference and .226 vs .248 sectional density. If your worried about such things going from 150's to 180's would provide the best jump in performance. 180gr offer .271 SD and 200gr get you over the magical .300 mark (for tough critters) such as grizzly & Alaskan moose but would overpenetrate Elk especially at close range. Those big deer aren't bullet proof.

Redneck with a 40
March 19, 2010, 10:38 AM
I'd use 180's and keep the range under 200 yards, maybe 300.

wyohome
March 19, 2010, 11:38 AM
I wonder how many elk run off to die days later after being hit with a 308 or '06 round?
Probably fewer than those shot by once a year shooters using magnums.

Runningman
March 19, 2010, 11:39 AM
would you use a 150 grn 308 bullet for elk?
Depends on the bullet design. Not all bullet designs are created equal. Some premium design bullets such as Nosler Partition, Barnes TSX, TTSX, Swift A Frame to name a few. Can deliver some amazing penetration. Sectional density has become blurred these days since it more or less applies to traditional cup and core bullets.

Years ago I whitenessed a test where a 30 cal 150 grain Swift A frame penetrated much deeper in both water jugs and wet phone books than a 30 cal 180 grain Sierra SBT Gameking. Not so scientific, but the results were none the less interesting.

I also know of a guy who bought a 300 Weatherby more than 15 years ago. He did not like the recoil of 180 grain factory loads. So he started shooting 150 grain Nosler Partition in it. He has hunted Deer and Elk for years with the 150 grain Nosler Partition. Never seen him have a problem talking down an Elk with the 300 WBY and 150 grain bullet.

375shooter
March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM
I did a test once using a 308 (18" barrel) and 150gr Barnes X (preTSX), 200gr Partitions and 180gr Failsafes. I fired at 50 yards, to simulate normal deer hunting ranges in my area. I had 2" of wet newspaper followed by 2" of dry newspaper and the rest wet. The results were as follows:
150 X, 2694 mv - 11.5" 100% weight retention
150 X, 2661 mv - 12.75" 100%
180 Failsafe, 2445 mv - 14" 100%
180 Failsafe, 2454 mv - 14" 100%
200 Partition, 2239 mv - 11.75" 61%
200 Partition, 2231 mv - 13.75" 79%

It's just a bit of information I wanted to share. I wish I would also have tested some conventional designs such as Speer, Sierra, Hornady, etc. to see how they would have compared.
Pat.

jbech123
March 19, 2010, 01:34 PM
I wonder how many elk run off to die days later after being hit with a 308 or '06 round?

ones that are hit in the right spot - none

poorly hit ones - probably a similar number to the poorly hit ones with other calibers. under 300 yards a 308 is plenty for elk.

bad_aim_billy
March 19, 2010, 07:19 PM
I also know of a guy who bought a 300 Weatherby more than 15 years ago. He did not like the recoil of 180 grain factory loads.

Exactly why I like 150 gr out of my /06. I used Interbonds last year, I think they're plenty for elk. Any bonded/premium 150 gr .308 bullet will do the job at reasonable distances I'm sure.

grubbylabs
March 19, 2010, 07:41 PM
Well like any thing else shot placement trumps every thing. I am not sure I would be shooting at any animal past 300. I am an archery hunter at hart and am used to having to close the distance. I was just wondering if the bullet would hold up to it. I am by no means a rifle or gun expert. I was planning on the 165 grn but my brother in law suggested the 150 grn.

Deaf Smith
March 19, 2010, 08:29 PM
would you use a 150 grn 308 bullet for elk?

Nosler 150s. YES!

I have several Elk hunting friends who use the 30-06 and that bullet, backed by 4895 powder, is what they use. And they have many many elk to their credit.

WYcoyote
March 20, 2010, 05:05 PM
Yes but a premium bullet like the bonded cores, partition, etc.
If you want to use standard style bullets I would go to 180 gr.

Onesiphorus
March 21, 2010, 02:37 AM
It comes down to bullet placement, always. I use a Saiga 7.62x39 with a 5 round mag and open sights. If I don't have good shot, I don't take it. (In the ear works very well)

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