Have you noticed ammo prices increasing?


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Mr. T
March 20, 2010, 11:37 PM
In the last few weeks, I have noticed that ammo prices are creeping up again slightly. I would say that ammo has gone up in the last few weeks roughly 5% to 7%. I don't know if this is going on anywhere else, so I am looking for some feedback; call it curiousity.:)

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Ky Larry
March 20, 2010, 11:44 PM
Last Tuesday, Wally World here in Lexington had Fed bulk packs, 525 rnds of 22lr for $14.97. On Thursday, it was $19.97. 500rnd bricks of Fed .22lr stayed the same price, $14.47. Who knows what tommorow will bring.:confused:

TEAM101
March 20, 2010, 11:47 PM
Federal and Remington 550 packs went up by 3.50 at my walmart.

Mr. T
March 20, 2010, 11:47 PM
A buddy of my that is a manager at a local/regional sporting goods store told me that ammo prices are more than likely going to be going up between 15% and 20% from now to August. He's heard it now from at least two different suppliers. I'm just wondering how much of this has to do with the economy and how much might be driven by our government.

huntsman
March 21, 2010, 12:07 AM
yes the .45acp UMC at WW went up a buck in the last month.

Elm Creek Smith
March 21, 2010, 12:10 AM
At the Metcalf Gun Show in Tulsa today, I heard a vendor talking about the wholesale price of some of his ammo going up in the next week or two. I haven't bought any ammo lately myself.

ECS

gondorian
March 21, 2010, 12:10 AM
Bulk .22 also went up at my walmart this week, but I haven't noticed any other places being noticeably more expensive.

Mr. T
March 21, 2010, 12:37 AM
I wonder if this is limited to specific regions?

wrs840
March 21, 2010, 12:41 AM
I wonder if this is limited to specific regions?

Yes. Region of Walmart. Only. As far as I've seen.

Les

BCCL
March 21, 2010, 12:43 AM
My local WM just jumped theirs this week, a 9.47 box of .223 ammo went to 9.97 and most other shells went up a little also.

oneounceload
March 21, 2010, 11:17 AM
Between supply and demand, wholesale costs of raw materials, cost of living adjustments, etc. things go up. We have been lucky that for the last ten years (the last one and half excepted), ammo costs had either gone down or stayed static. All good things come to an end - now, with a more volatile market for materials, lead is reacting more lie gasoline.

Texas Gun Person
March 21, 2010, 11:57 AM
.22 bulk at Walmart went from $16.something up to $18.something


Although they did have plenty of Federal 9mm at $9 a box... good for the range.

KarenTOC
March 21, 2010, 12:03 PM
Some government statistics:

The producer price index (PPI) shows a 2.1% increase in Feb 2010 over Feb 2009 for the category "Small arms [manufacturing] cartridges and shells" (naics 332992-0A; small arms defined as: 30 mm. or less, 1.18 inch or less).
http://www.bls.gov/ppi/ppitable05.pdf (page 48)

The "all-items" consumer price index (CPI) for all urban consumers is up 2.1% for the 12-month period ending Feb 2010.
source: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf

The personal consumption expenditure (PCE) price index for "Sporting equipment, supplies, guns, and ammunition" has declined since 2005, just slightly topping it's 2005 figure in 2009 (2005 = 100; 2009 = 101.743)
source: http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/nipa_underlying/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=16&ViewSeries=Yes&Java=no&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Freq=Year&FirstYear=2005&LastYear=2009&3Place=N&Update=Update&JavaBox=no

Conclusions (IANAE*)
The cost of producing ammo is rising (PPI).
Prices are rising in general (CPI).
Between 2006 and 2008 folks spent less on sporting merchandise; it's just beginning to creep back up (PCE).

Not surprising the price of ammo is higher than it used to be.

note: The CPI and PCE don't have specific "ammo" categories; it's not included at all in the cpi and in pce it's clumped in with sporting goods.
PPI = wholesale prices
CPI = retail prices.
PCE = consumer spending.

* I am not an economist.

HOWARD J
March 21, 2010, 12:41 PM
The Walmarts around here don't carry gun & ammo anymore--We are close to Detroit.
I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
We are at the mercy of the gun shops- $25 for 500 .22's
I am set for a while-10000 rounds.............................

Lakeshore
March 21, 2010, 01:25 PM
I too have noticed ammo prices creeping up again.

A big part of it is government purchases of huge quantities of ammo for the military and civilian agencies. Dept. of Homeland Security recently awarded a 5 year contract to Winchester for 200 million rounds of .40 S&W. In effect Uncle is using our tax money to curtail ammo availability.

broken
March 21, 2010, 08:40 PM
i noticed 9mm and .40 and .45 was up again but at least they had a load of it but shotgun shells have stayed the same price for 12 months, 4.47 a box of 5 slugs/buck,been that way for a long time,25 round box centurion #7or 8- 5.75 a box.pistol ammo is like a roller coaster ride on price.

Leafy Cronmer
March 21, 2010, 08:43 PM
Yes personally I would agree the prices are slowly increasing. But at the same time I see a much healthier stock of ammo in places that had nothing a month ago. I can buy 9 almost any place that sells ammo now, while a few months back you couldn't get 9 anywhere in my area.

redneck2
March 21, 2010, 08:44 PM
Moody's is about to drop the bond rating on US Treasuries. Once that happens, interest rates will skyrocket.

If you have ANY sense, you'll buy as much ammo as you can right now.

AzBuckfever
March 21, 2010, 08:47 PM
This is sad. Just think that 10 years ago, if that, you could buy a brick of .22 for $7. THANK YOU to all those who make every attempt to drive up ammo prices. And thank you fellow law enforcement for not savings your stupid butt because increased prices mean less ammo, means less training, means more risk. Hope the price of caskets doesn't go up :o)

kda
March 21, 2010, 09:00 PM
Went to a gun show about a month ago and the dealer I buy from there had 9mm (PMC) for $225 for a case of 1,000. I bought one. I went back yesterday to get some more and this time he had the exact same ammo for $195 a case. I was there about an hour after the show opened and he was already down to eight cases. I bought two more cases and my friend bought two cases for himself.

Then we checked periodically to see how long the last four cases lasted. Within two hours, they were all sold out of this ammo. At $9.75 / 50 rounds for ammo I really like, I'm still wondering if I should have bought even more.

Bulk sales of his other ammo seemed brisk also. Maybe in anticipation of a future price rise.

taliv
March 21, 2010, 09:02 PM
i bought all the federal 22 bulk my local walmart had a few weeks ago at the $14 price. I went in last night and saw the shelf was packed with more ammo than I've ever seen in a walmart. My first thought was, "i can't buy all that". Then I saw the price and didn't buy any of it.

Rembrandt
March 21, 2010, 09:16 PM
Guess those mean old hoarders from a year ago were astutely wise shoppers.....

bannockburn
March 21, 2010, 09:39 PM
I don't know about everywhere else, but the one WallyWorld I go to for ammo still has the same prices as before. Federal 9mm. is still $9.47/50; WWB 9mm. still at $19.97/100; Federal .223 is also still $39.97/100. But out of 4 stores in the general vicinity, this is the only store that regularly gets pistol and rifle ammo. The other 3 either just have mostly shotgun shells, or next to nothing at all.

bababooey32
March 22, 2010, 01:16 PM
This is sad. Just think that 10 years ago, if that, you could buy a brick of .22 for $7.

:confused::confused:

Milk was cheaper 10 years ago too. So were eggs. Bread. Soda. Electricity. Water. Virtually everything. In fact, ammo has gone up in price slower then most of those items. All-in-all, prices are still pretty attractive compared to 10 years ago.

oneounceload
March 22, 2010, 01:19 PM
Just had to buy a car battery today. last time I bought one with my son, the average price was about $60. Now, closer to $80 in the same store. Lead is a commodity that price fluctuates daily. Brass is another one, as is the gas to transport it all.

Zach S
March 22, 2010, 01:28 PM
Although they did have plenty of Federal 9mm at $9 a box... good for the range. And WWB valuepacks at 20.97...

Lately I've found that buying 20 or 50 round boxes are a better deal than the valuepacks.

Just had to buy a car battery today. last time I bought one with my son, the average price was about $60. Now, closer to $80 in the same store. I paid close to $180 for my last one...

Milk was cheaper 10 years ago too. So were eggs. Bread. Soda. Electricity. Water. Virtually everything. In fact, ammo has gone up in price slower then most of those items. All-in-all, prices are still pretty attractive compared to 10 years ago. I disagree. The only other consumable good that has doubled in price, that I can think of, is gas.

I can remember buying $11 9mm valuepacks and filling up my hot rod (that had the $180 battery) with 91 octane that cost $1.75 a gallon.

Oh, that $180 battery still cost 180 bucks...

AWorthyOpponent
March 22, 2010, 01:39 PM
I went to a gun show this last weekend and saw the opposite actually. .223 and 5.56 were cheaper then I have ever seen them, boxes of 500 for $165 and 1k for $295. Wal-Mart around here hasn't changed their prices, but rather the brand that they carry. I guess down here, WWB is harder to come across and they have been selling Federal in its place for the price that the WWB was. I'm fine with that - my guns like it better...

One thing I have really noticed is the price of AR's going back down. I saw a few M&P15's in the $600-800 range (new). Even the guys that sell the fully decked out tacticool AR's weren't going for more than $1100. I was really tempted to pick one up but decided that I didn't need another one yet...Same went for most other guns too.

I guess as we come out of this "buy any gun you can before the ban comes back" scare, we will see firearms drop in price significantly. However, as there are many more firearms that need to be fed, I don't see the price in ammo going anywhere but up in price in the near future...

Quoheleth
March 22, 2010, 01:42 PM
The value of your dollar has been blown to smithereens thanks to Barry & Company. It's gonna take more dollars to buy the same goods --- and this includes gasoline, which is also creeping up folks, and summer ain't even here yet.

Q

nathan
March 22, 2010, 02:14 PM
If the weather gets better, more people go out to shoot. Spring and summer could be profit months for the ammo makers just like the oil companies. They jack them to recoup some losses in the autumn and winter months.

kenno
March 22, 2010, 03:39 PM
Reasons
#1 Fuel prices are at $3.00 a gallon
#2 The dollar is falling in value
#3 The Chinese, Russians and other overseas Mfgs are pimping thier prices; (I've seen 200% increases in some items from China in 18 months) withholding delivery (some back ordered items will not be shipped untill Dec. 2010!) waiting to see the dollar plunge and reprice using the Chinese YUAN.

fatelk
March 22, 2010, 03:59 PM
I'm inclined to think there will be another run on ammo soon (hope I'm wrong). The powers that be ran the Constitution through a shredder yesterday, and took it out with the trash. This sort of third-world-dictatorship behavior tends to make folks nervous.

Added: don't want to stir up politics, but had to reply to this:
You mean majority rule in a democratic republic?
Yes, we have a republic. As such we have rules and a constitution, not mob rule. I won't go further on this because I remember how careful this site is to avoid offending the more leftist members.

I would not be surprised if the "Majority Rule" tries to ram other "wish list" laws through before they get voted out, such as another "assault weapon" ban. If this talk heats up again, I think it's safe to say the price of ammunition could increase further.

Nico Testosteros
March 22, 2010, 06:17 PM
The powers that be? You mean majority rule in a democratic republic?

searcher451
March 22, 2010, 07:16 PM
I was floored recently when I walked into a local gun shop and saw 50-round boxes of American Eagle .380 ACP on sale for $13.99 a box. The first thing that floored me was to spot .380 -- haven't seen much of it in months and months. The fact that it was only $13.99 a box put me down for the count.

miamiboy
March 22, 2010, 07:33 PM
I've seen it creep up in Walmart, but especially online :cuss: Makes no sense

22-rimfire
March 22, 2010, 08:31 PM
I don't recall 22 shells being $7.00 a brick 10-years ago even on sale. Sale prices were usually about $10 then. You go back a bit further and yes, $7. The Walmart increase is between 26 and 27% at the retail level for Federal 22 shells. Remington went up a while back.

Ty 357
March 23, 2010, 01:43 PM
This past weekend Dick's sporting goods had UMC .45 in 50 rounds box at $18.99 limit three per customer. They also had "value pack" UMC .45 in 250 round box at $119.99 ($23.99 per 50, same exact ammo). So if you want more than your 3 box allotment you pay a $5 per box premium. This strategy was verified by an employee. Now is that smart business policy or shady as a sugar maple?

bg226
March 23, 2010, 01:54 PM
Supply and Demand. The surge in gun sales especially translates into significant demand for ammunition.

huntsman
March 23, 2010, 02:43 PM
This past weekend Dick's sporting goods had UMC .45 in 50 rounds box at $18.99 limit three per customer. They also had "value pack" UMC .45 in 250 round box at $119.99 ($23.99 per 50, same exact ammo). So if you want more than your 3 box allotment you pay a $5 per box premium. This strategy was verified by an employee. Now is that smart business policy or shady as a sugar maple?
I saw that at Dick's and just walked away scratching my head (I didn't know about a 3 box limit)

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