American Non-Union Firearms & Ammo


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Hoffy
March 22, 2010, 08:07 AM
Are there any firearms manufacturers producing weapons within the United States whose workers are not unionized?

I know that Colt, Remington, and Winchester are all union shops.

Ruger?
Henry?
Smith & Wesson?
Others?

What about ammo manufacturers? Winchester and Remington (see above) are union shops, but what about CCI and Federal?

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Old Fuff
March 22, 2010, 10:05 AM
Ruger moved his production facilities to Arizona to avoid a union. So far as I know they don't have one now.

gearhead
March 22, 2010, 10:16 AM
Winchester hasn't been a union shop since the USRAC plant was closed in 2006. All US-made Winchester products come from the non-union FN plant in South Carolina.

lawson4
March 22, 2010, 11:53 AM
The same plant that makes the Winchester Model 70 makes the FNP series of handguns and SPR rifles; non-union.

lawson4

Owen
March 22, 2010, 12:45 PM
CCI and Federal are both owned by ATK, unknown if they are union.

Colt is a union shop.

Owen
March 22, 2010, 12:46 PM
oh, and winchester ammo, and winchester guns are different companies. The gun are non-union, the ammo may be.

swiftak
March 22, 2010, 01:32 PM
Old Fuff, Ruger is also in NH

oneounceload
March 22, 2010, 01:43 PM
I believe the Remington plant in NC is non-union

cavman
March 22, 2010, 05:18 PM
a rifle I have is RRA lower (they may be considered assemblers)..don't know, but highly doubt

a couple of .45s are Rock River Arms....don't know

the AR upper is White Oak (again, parts)....don't know, but doubt.

.45s are Caspian (parts). Made in America....don't know

Ammo is Missouri Bullet....don't know

hso
March 22, 2010, 09:58 PM
C'mon folks, it's one thing to try to figure out what shops are union and which aren't, but getting into politics and love/hate for unions just isn't going to fly. If you don't want your posts deleted stay on topic.

trickyasafox
March 23, 2010, 01:10 AM
I know in the mid to late 70s colt also got their steel from a union shop (crucible steel out of CNY) my dad worked there. up until 75 or so he said you could get a discount on colt firearms because of the affiliation.

TexasBill
March 23, 2010, 03:35 AM
Beretta is made in Maryland, which is not a right to work state. A machinists' union tried to organize there in the late 1980s but was unsuccessful and I haven't found any record of an active trade union at the plant. However, Beretta is a major sponsor of the Union Sportsman Association.

Smith & Wesson doesn't have any union employees according to their most recent 10-K filing.

What's the big deal about union members making firearms? As long as it's a well-made gun, who cares?

MisterMike
March 23, 2010, 05:45 AM
What's the big deal about union members making firearms? As long as it's a well-made gun, who cares?

I'd agree--if union workers are making a superior product at a competitive price, they will thrive. It's the American way.

Ky Larry
March 23, 2010, 10:17 AM
I try to buy American made ammo and firearms. Unions are the business of the workers and management. Does it really matter? Also, IIRC, Ruger moved to Arizona because of the local taxes, but I may be mistaken.

Mike J
March 23, 2010, 10:33 AM
A recently retired Ruger employee posted over at rugerforum.com not too long ago. He was asked some questions about QC issues some posters had encountered. One of the things he posted about was labor-namely the difficulty of working Mexican immigrants that don't speak English well.

ChuteTheMall
March 23, 2010, 12:21 PM
I'm pretty sure that Kel-Tec is non-union.

Glad to hear about S&W, I thought they were unionized.

Does anyone know whether Glock's American facilities are union-free?

Detritus
March 23, 2010, 03:18 PM
I believe the Remington plant in NC is non-union

Um, the Madison NC location Is an office complex, containing the corporate headquaters and if i remember correctly no production facilities. on the "employment" section of the remington website the NC Office is listed seperate from the manufacturing jobs.

oneounceload
March 23, 2010, 04:20 PM
You're right, my mistake - must have been thinking about the plant in KY - (close enough for gov't work)...:D

sideways
March 23, 2010, 05:45 PM
Smith use to make a very nice firearm. It's a shame you need to speak spanish to work for Ruger.

oneounceload
March 23, 2010, 06:56 PM
(Quoted noise...--Sam)
I don't believe the merits, or demerits, of a union shop have been brought to bear here. The OP was asking for reasons known to himself. His reasons may or may not be the same as mine, and it doesn't matter. Maybe in some political forum the aspects of this can be better discussed in depth

Sam1911
March 23, 2010, 07:31 PM
Maybe in some political forum the aspects of this can be better discussed in depth

Perhaps, so. This is not the place. Does anyone have any further factual answer to the OP's question, or are we done?

Nugilum
March 23, 2010, 07:52 PM
The benefit to identifying the OP's question is what?

I'm at a loss for the benefit of learning / knowing this.

Hoffy
March 23, 2010, 07:54 PM
I intentionally stayed away from the politics...hoping to get the Joe Friday 411 (just the facts).

Acera
March 23, 2010, 07:58 PM
The benefit to identifying the OP's question is what?

I'm at a loss for the benefit of learning / knowing this.


Why does it matter if it has any benefit to you??

Thinking it must also matter to you is extremely narcissistic. It must have some interest in the op, and that is all that matters.

Nugilum
March 23, 2010, 08:11 PM
Narcissistic? lol :). I was wondering why would it matter if a firearm is made by a unionized or non-union plant?

tipoc
March 23, 2010, 08:50 PM
I was wondering why would it matter if a firearm is made by a unionized or non-union plant?

It wouldn't in terms of the quality of the firearm.

It might for some other reason.

But the OP just asked a question about what places were unionized and which aren't. There are a couple dozen or more manufacturers in the U.S., for more than a few of those most folks simply don't seem to know.

If a person is doing a survey best to just call the manufacturers and ask them.

tipoc

oneounceload
March 23, 2010, 08:54 PM
Some folks seem to have a love/hate relationship with whether or not a product was not only US-made, but union-made.......It's an old argument dating from the days of the 30's and someone's grandfather, and has nothing to do with this place

mp510
March 23, 2010, 09:05 PM
oh, and winchester ammo, and winchester guns are different companies. The gun are non-union, the ammo may be.
The rimfire production was moved to a non-union plant a few years ago. I believe that the centerfire ammo is union made.

mp510
March 23, 2010, 09:13 PM
I know in the mid to late 70s colt also got their steel from a union shop (crucible steel out of CNY) my dad worked there. up until 75 or so he said you could get a discount on colt firearms because of the affiliation.
A good amount of Colt stock is (or was) owned by the Connecticut state employees union retirement fund.

Informedonpolitics
September 11, 2010, 08:21 PM
For those who might still be interested. Both Smith and Wesson and Ruger, in their annual reports, stated that they are non-union shops.

Owen
September 11, 2010, 08:31 PM
Winchester centerfire ammo is in the process of being moved to a non-union plant, from Illinois to Alabama

Silent Sam
September 11, 2010, 09:22 PM
Ruger rifles, shotguns, and revolvers are made and serviced in NH. Ruger pistols (semiautos) except the Charger, are made and serviced in AZ.

SSN Vet
September 11, 2010, 10:09 PM
For better or worse, NH is a very pro-business, employment at will, right to work state.

Thompson Center has most of their manufacturing operation in Rochester, NH and they are not a union shop.

Bushmaster is up in Winham, ME and I don't believe they are a union shop either.

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