In between 243 and 300 Win Mag


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stownsend
March 22, 2010, 01:46 PM
I am thinking that I need another rifle in the safe and thought that something between what I have now would be a perfect fit. Looking for ideas. Currently I have a Remington 700 in 243 and a Winchester Model 70 in 300 Win Mag.
I was thinking along the lines of a 270 or 7mm-08. This would primarily be a whitetail gun, with ranges up to about 300 yards for most shots.
I love the 300...but ammo is expensive, and recoil can be harsh. I like the 243 for varmint, and have used it on whitetail, but think that a little bit bigger would be nice.
What are everyone's suggestions? Experiences?

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ricebasher302
March 22, 2010, 01:55 PM
You can't go wrong with a .270. 7mm-08 would be fine as well, but so would a .308 for your purposes.

pikid89
March 22, 2010, 01:56 PM
+1 for .270...that is probably amongst the most versatile loads on the planet...cept maybe the .30-06

IdahoSkies
March 22, 2010, 01:56 PM
+1 on the .270. I love mine.

ArmedBear
March 22, 2010, 02:04 PM
6.5mm-06 Ackley Improved

7.62 Nato
March 22, 2010, 02:17 PM
There is no reason to not use the .243 for hunting deer here in Michigan. I would go with the .308 Win if you want to add another caliber to the stable, but I may be prejudiced.

Dirtpile
March 22, 2010, 02:19 PM
They're fairly close ballistics-wise with only a slight edge going to the .270 with about 75-100 FPS @ 130 Grains and a slighly better SD. This isn't enough of an advantage to make a noticeable difference inside of 300 yards.

It really should only come down to whether you prefer long or short action.

Maverick223
March 22, 2010, 02:44 PM
Easy...one of the following: .260Rem. (best of the bunch IMO), 6.5x55mmSwede (bigger, but a little better), 6.5Creedmoor (still pretty good, but the aforementioned are better), or 7mm-08Rem. (most available, almost as good as the 6.5s). The .280Rem. is also a good intermediate cartridge, but doesn't fill the gap as well IMO.

:)

PT1911
March 22, 2010, 02:48 PM
I would go .260 or .270. Would definitely complete your trio of rifles...

That said, the .243 is capable of much more than most give it credit for and is a damn near perfect deer round... a .260 or .270 will extend your range a bit and hit harder when they get there but be much easier on your pocket and your shoulder than the 300...

JMO...

skiking
March 22, 2010, 03:28 PM
I would get a 7mm-08, a .270 Win or a .280 Rem.

CoRoMo
March 22, 2010, 03:31 PM
I'll add one to the .270 column. I'm .270 to the bone. My blood-type is 270.:p

Nico Testosteros
March 22, 2010, 06:03 PM
I vote .270 or .308.
Ammo is fairly plentiful and either packs a punch.
The slightly flatter trajectory of .270 is nice.
The availability of cheap FMJ for .308 for plinking, punching paper is a factor in its favor.
So...flip a coin?

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 22, 2010, 06:05 PM
.280 Remington. In a T/C Icon.

Float Pilot
March 22, 2010, 06:09 PM
6.5 x55 Swede Mauser

Kawabuggy
March 22, 2010, 06:18 PM
You don't reload.. That makes it an easy choice-the 270! There is ammo for it on every shelf across the nation. Hard to find a .270 that won't shoot well right out of the box.

If you were a reloader, I'd say get the 7MM Rem. Mag!

Red State
March 22, 2010, 06:21 PM
I would vote .270 or 7mm-08. Both are versatile rounds that will meet your needs nicely without getting too exotic. Slight edge to the 7mm-08 for being kind on the shoulder and available in short action rifles.

I don't know much about the 6.5s, so I can't comment there. As mentioned by others, the .308 would work fine, and it would allow you to buy FMJ plinking ammo for $10 per box.

Abel
March 22, 2010, 06:21 PM
7mm-08 or 308.

Arkansas Paul
March 22, 2010, 06:24 PM
Between the two you listed, I'm for the 7mm-08. I love the 7mms.
If I get to make my suggestion, I'm with Dr Tad. I love the .280 Rem. And mine is just in a NEF Handi Rifle. Imagine how much more I'd love it if it were in a decent rifle like a Remington 700 or a Browning X-Bolt.

627PCFan
March 22, 2010, 06:26 PM
Are you reloading? That can play a major factor-

WYcoyote
March 22, 2010, 06:42 PM
I have a 25-06 and a 7mm Rem mag in between my .243 and .300 Win mag.
Why just one?

Daveboone
March 22, 2010, 06:46 PM
I would vote .308. Performance almost identical to the .270, but in a short action, and ammo is everywhere. If you reload, some of the components work also in the .300 (180 grain bullets, primers) to simplify things.

Casefull
March 22, 2010, 06:52 PM
Get a Kimber montana in 308...5.5 lbs of lightwt accuracy.

Runningman
March 22, 2010, 07:13 PM
Hard to go wrong getting a 270 Win.

Col. Plink
March 22, 2010, 07:33 PM
In days past I would have said 30'06. I can still recommend it because it is still so popular and comparable in price to the .308, but .308 has more applications (read: load variations) esp. in finding milsurp ammo.

.308 goes back a long way too. I have a pump Remi 760 in 30'06, but theu made 'em in .308 for almost as many years.

I have both, but if I could I'd get a 300 WinMag and a .243 as my next two rifles!

KevinR
March 22, 2010, 07:58 PM
Fisrst choice 270
Second choice 7mm-08
Third choice 308

ruger700
March 22, 2010, 08:08 PM
Far and away the 308. You have never seen a 270 win any recognized shooting matches. The sniper system must know something since it is their basic mission weapon. You can find 308 anywhere and reduced loads are offered when you introduce a young one to shooting or you just want some fun shooting.

bobelk99
March 22, 2010, 08:37 PM
I have 10 calibers to choose from, and the 270 is probably the most fun to use on deer size game.

I have acquaintances that hunt elk with the 270 and good 160 bullets.

For deer I personally can't see anything topping it.

I have a Rem700 that shoots near 1/2" groups with Nosler BT 130s.

52grain
March 22, 2010, 10:39 PM
Wow! When I first read the thread title I thought that you were trying to decide between a .243 and a .300 Win Mag.

22-rimfire
March 23, 2010, 12:03 AM
For general whitetail hunting, the 270 win is hard to beat. I'd love to have a 300 win mag, but I just never felt the abuse (recoil) justified my use with whitetails. However, it is an excellent elk and mosse caliber or long range whitetail caliber.

You may be better off buying a 223 or 22-250 for varmints if you do much varmint hunting and continue to use the 300 win mag for whitetails. I used a 243 for wood chucks for a number of years and liked it. It was just a bit too much gun except for long range shooting where the bullet weight would help with bullet drift (wind).

stownsend
March 23, 2010, 09:28 AM
Thanks for all the input folks, lots of good information!
I am not a reloader, so that can play into it.
I do most of my hunting in the river hills of South Dakota, so even though I am in Michigan, that's not where I do most of my hunting.
It might not make a lot of sense, but being that I already have a 30 cal. I was not thinking 308, but that does bring some strong points.
It seems like the 270 is winning the vote. I like the idea of relatively inexpensive ammo and easy to find.
22-rimfire: I had thought about going smaller with a more dedicated varmint, but I don't hunt enough varmint to really justify a gun strictly for that. I have thought a lot about a 223 many times, but have never taken the plunge.
Since I already have Remington and Winchester represented...thought maybe I should go with a Savage for this one, to keep a well rounded gun safe.

Art Eatman
March 23, 2010, 12:15 PM
For all that I've killed a few deer with a .270, I wouldn't pick it as a "betweener" in the .243-.300 WinMag comparison. It's not really that much less than the .300, from a hunting standpoint.

One thing about the 7mm08 is that it functions well with a 22" barrel, and is commonly made with the short action. That results in a fairly lightweight and handy rifle which is easy to carry, quick to get on-point. (I really do like my 700Ti in 7mm08; it's 6.25 pounds, ready to hunt.)

GMFWoodchuck
March 23, 2010, 12:18 PM
It's outside your caliber range, but I've been thinking about the 338-06 myself.

kludge
March 23, 2010, 12:38 PM
I was thinking along the lines of a 270 or 7mm-08. This would primarily be a whitetail gun, with ranges up to about 300 yards for most shots.

Perfect.

But if you already have a .300 Mag for the "long shot" and for mostly whitetail you might also like the 6.5x55 Swede or .257 Roberts+P. Better deer guns than the .243 IMO.

You also might consider the new .270 WSM which would also work for all lower 48 game.

hogshead
March 23, 2010, 12:44 PM
308!

stownsend
March 23, 2010, 01:28 PM
Art, you make some good points about the 7-08. I like the idea of it being a lightweight gun, although we don't do a lot of walking/stalking...it does take place and those few extra pounds can add up.
A lot of people are suggesting 308, and I really hadn't thought that much about it seeing how I already had a 30 cal. in the stable, but it does fit the bill for what I would use it for.
The secondary use for this gun would be coyote...after the deer has been gotten our hunt becomes a coyote extermination crusade. The 300 is overkill, unless there are 3 or 4 standing in a line, and the 243 works great for this purpose...does anyone use a 270 or 7-08 for coyote?

JimKirk
March 23, 2010, 01:40 PM
I have a 25/06 and 270 WSM between.....

Jimmy K

usmc1371
March 23, 2010, 03:41 PM
+ 1 for the 25-06 or the short action version AKA 25wsm/wssm. Falls right between the 300wm and 243.

t george
March 23, 2010, 10:19 PM
if you dont have anything against the short mags go with the 270wsm... not realy an in between round in aspects of velocity or energy, but caliber is a tweener! and it is just cool imo

AKElroy
March 23, 2010, 10:27 PM
.308 for me. I just bought a Savage Weather Warrior Accustock / Accutrigger, mounted a Leupold VariX III 4X14 AO in DeadNutz mounts. It is CRAZY accurate, I love it. It is heavy and has virtually no recoil with the squishy factory pad; It actually feels less lively than my .243 from a recoil standpoint.

I do not think a well placed .308 would have any difficulty cleanly taking any lower 48 game.

Maverick223
March 24, 2010, 12:25 AM
if you dont have anything against the short mags go with the 270wsm...Bought...and promptly sold...whissums. :barf:

jbkebert
March 24, 2010, 12:35 AM
The .270 always has been my go to gun. I am like you I have and shoot .243 and .300 on a fairly regular basis. Something about the .270 just works it seems like the perfect medium to me.

t george
March 24, 2010, 01:07 AM
lol common Mavrick thats why I said If you dont have anything against it... I like mine and cant wait till the next hog steps out!

Maverick223
March 24, 2010, 01:21 AM
lol common Mavrick thats why I said If you dont have anything against it...I liked it at one time...then I bought one and it went downhill from there. http://forums.nitroexpress.com/images/graemlins/smilies/general/dunno.gif To make it worse, it put a bad taste in my mouth for the .270cal. too. :eek: From here on out it will be 6.5 or 7mm for me as there is a better selection of bullets (with better BCs) available for both.

:)

t george
March 24, 2010, 12:05 PM
I will agree with you that there is a better selection of bullets for the 7mm and the 6.5, but for the original poster looking for an in between round I think 270 is the ticket (jmo) either 270 win for ammo on ever shelf in america or 270 win short mag for somthing a little diffrent.

to me a rifles level of usfulness has more to do with the person pulling the trigger than the BC of the bullet that is fired... at least out to a certain point. I have a 243 that I shoot 80-105gr bullets through 270 wsm that I shot130s out then a 30-06 that I shoot 150 to 190s out of then a 338 that I shoot 225-250s out of.

Honestly with the game I hunt the 270wsm or the 30-06 could handle it all, but variety is the spice of life and I like variety!!! may have to get me a short barreled 7mm08 for grins

Art Eatman
March 24, 2010, 12:36 PM
stownsend, I loaded some 100-grain 7mms for a coyote round. Been sorta lazy, lately, about calling. My "problem" is the typical Olde Phart's: Choices. :) .223, .243 or the 7mm08. They all work.

I'll note that I went for uber-light, initially, with the Ti. A Weaver 1x3 was only seven ounces. Even so, I was getting 3/4 MOA at my bench during early sight-in and load testing. I had an old Leupold Vari-X II 3x9 in the safe, so that's now on it. Doesn't make the groups any tighter; just easier. :D

JonB
March 24, 2010, 12:57 PM
I would go .260 or .270. Would definitely complete your trio of rifles...

That said, the .243 is capable of much more than most give it credit for and is a damn near perfect deer round... a .260 or .270 will extend your range a bit and hit harder when they get there but be much easier on your pocket and your shoulder than the 300...

JMO...

+1

.243 is a great deer rifle. If it is more range you are looking for then .260, .270, 7mm-08. whatever floats your boat.

Personally I would go with the 7mm-08.

Guiding101
March 24, 2010, 01:02 PM
I have to agree with the above posts, they all would be great. It is nice to go with a common round, i.e. .270, .308, .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag. for the simple reason is there are good factory rounds available virtually everywhere. If you reload it is often fun to go with an oddball cartridge that not all of your buddies have. The list of oddballs is endless. One cartridge I really like is the .264 Win mag. For whatever reason i never really gained the success that one would have thought it may have based on its balistics.

CB900F
March 24, 2010, 02:23 PM
Stownsend;

Maverick almost got it right, & Float Pilot was first up with the correct answer IMHO. The 6.5 Swede is where I'm voting both here and with my wallet.

Just do a little research with sectional densities & B/C, and you'll see why this one has been a winner for way over a hundred years.

900F

Maverick223
March 24, 2010, 02:36 PM
to me a rifles level of usfulness has more to do with the person pulling the trigger than the BC of the bullet that is fired...Absolutely, but it never hurts to have a favorable BC or more choices of weight, even if it is unnecessary for the intended use. The .270Win. is a fine cartridge, I just don't care for it.

:)

PowerG
March 24, 2010, 08:49 PM
I'd look at the 7mm-08 closely-it's a great deer cartridge, and the short length makes it available in many light rifles. Great in full-size rifles too.

Tough to beat the .06, it's hands down the most versatile rifle caliber there is.

1895ss
March 25, 2010, 12:07 AM
How about a 25-06??? I have used one for many many years and is my favorite for prong horns, whitetail and Mule Deer out to 400 yrds or more. A great caliber IMHO.

stownsend
March 25, 2010, 09:18 AM
Everyone has some really good points. I know the 25-06 is a great round, just seems really close to the 243 that I already have. One point that I think is important is the availability of ammunition. I would prefer to stick with a more popular round since I don't reload and would like to be able to get ammo, if needed. The 280 interests me, but I don't know much about it.
Don't get me wrong, I love my 243 as a great all around deer gun, but in the coming years my son will be joining me on my hunts and that is probably what he will be starting with.
I need to do some comparison between the 7-08, 280 Rem., and 270...I should also look into the Swede as a lot of people say good things about it.

Hokkmike
March 25, 2010, 10:57 AM
Here would be my choices:

6.5 x 55
7mm 08
260
270

Arkel23
March 25, 2010, 11:38 AM
.270, I'm thinking about getting one.

Arkansas Paul
March 25, 2010, 12:36 PM
The 280 interests me, but I don't know much about it.


It was introduced in 1957 and was for a time known as the 7mm Express. It's basically a 7mm-06. It would be more popular, but it came along 32 years after the .270 Win. They are ballistically similar, with the edge going to the .280 because of a better selection of bullets. Doesn't come any better IMO for deer sized game, on through muled deer and Caribou than the .280 Rem. If you handload, you can get close to 7mm Rem Mag performance. It's my favorite round. Can you tell?
Oh yeah, factory ammo is not that hard to come by. Most Academy Sports I've been to stock it.

jbech123
March 25, 2010, 01:23 PM
If you were a reloader, I'd say get the 7MM Rem. Mag!

Why? For 300 yd deer hunting, there is not enough of a difference between that and the 300winmag he already has. He could download/upload the 300 to about the same levels as a 7mag.

mickeydim468
March 26, 2010, 05:07 PM
I have read this whole thread and here is my opinion. If I were looking for what you want, and didn't reload, I would want a caliber that would be available anywhere. That narrows it down to really the .270, the 7mm 06, and the .308. All three calibers will get the job you want to accomplish done very well.

>270 - not very many loads available at retail.
>7mm 06 - fairly available ammo, at least around here in Oregon.
> .308 - Ammo available everywhere many loads to choose from, also mil-surp available. Lighter rifle due to short action. May be more versatile.

Brands in safe = Remmy and Winny. Why not Weatherby? The Vanguards are as accurate as they come right out of the box.

Just my 2c, I wish you well and Happy Hunting for that perfect Rifle! :D

Mikey!

Maverick223
March 26, 2010, 05:20 PM
7mm 06 - fairly available ammo, at least around here in Oregon.Mikey, if I am not mistaken the 7mm-06 is a slightly different cartridge than the .280Rem. (which is available most places); IIRC the neck was moved up slightly on the .280Rem. to prevent someone from chambering it in a .30-06 rifle.

:)

mickeydim468
March 26, 2010, 05:31 PM
I was thinking the .280 Rem when I wrote that. I always have referred to it as the 7mm - 06. Sorry for the confusion.

Arkel23
March 26, 2010, 05:53 PM
>270 - not very many loads available at retail.
>7mm 06 - fairly available ammo, at least around here in Oregon. With the OP being more so to the East, I think he would have a better chance at getting the .270 ammo, this is my first time ever hearing about a 7mm-06, that around here is more scarce than Weatherby ammo! :D

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