A gun for a highschool graduate


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Lightsped
March 22, 2010, 01:01 PM
Help me decide on what type of gun to buy for a highschool graduate. I will keep the gun in my safe until the graduate is 21. Once he turns 21 (assuming he stays off the drugs and keeps his pants on) he gets the gun. In the meantime, he is free to use it as much as he wants on our weekly range trips.

I'd like the gun to be pretty affordable to shoot. Somewhere around $200-$400 bucks. Perhaps a type of gun that has appeared in videogames and action movies would be good.

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ny32182
March 22, 2010, 01:06 PM
With the 21 rule I assume you are thinking "handgun"? There should be some good condition trade in Glocks out there in that price range; those are in plenty of games/movies. Used S&W autos; maybe if you are lucky, used Sigs might be near that price range also.

Any particular reason for not getting a long gun that he can have now? Just curious...

Lightsped
March 22, 2010, 01:10 PM
Long guns are fine as well. I am "keeping" the gun until 21 so that he is motivated to do well in life and stay away from the women and drugs. A pistol or rifle is fine.

KarenTOC
March 22, 2010, 01:17 PM
If you're taking him to the range weekly, I assume he's shooting your guns and/or rentals? Which is his favorite to shoot? Maybe get him his own of whatever he currently enjoys most.

hso
March 22, 2010, 01:18 PM
You don't think that a gun in the safe is going to keep him away from women? How he's raised may have more to do with that.

As to what to use for incentive, if you're thinking games/video/movie guns within your price range you're pretty much limited to AK types or lucky milsurp finds.

pikid89
March 22, 2010, 01:22 PM
10/22 or ruger MKII pistol....millions (estimate only) of man hours of fun have stemmed from the barrels of these timeless firearms

Wildyams
March 22, 2010, 01:25 PM
Well.. you could go with a decent used shotgun $200 , a mosin nagant $100, then maybe a .22 handgun of some sort with that last $100. just make the grad buy all the ammo ;)

buck460XVR
March 22, 2010, 01:29 PM
I'd like the gun to be pretty affordable to shoot. Somewhere around $200-$400 bucks. Perhaps a type of gun that has appeared in videogames and action movies would be good.


In that price range, I hafta say a 10/22 or a Remmie or Mossy pump shottie.



You think that a gun in the safe is going to keep him away from women? How he's raised may have more to do with that.


I gotta agree.........I know for dam sure it woulda taken more than a $400 gun to keep my hands off women when I graduated high school.:evil: Besides a good woman can be the best positive influence a boy can have, other than his parents. Most parental morals/ethics are engraved by the time a person is 12 years old, OTOH, whats to stop him from going out and buying his own guns once he turns 18?

oneounceload
March 22, 2010, 01:44 PM
How about asking HIM what he wants?

Deus Machina
March 22, 2010, 02:23 PM
Asking would be good, but perhaps not feasible if it's a surprise.

What kinds of games does he like? Modern ones, I believe you can find a .22 AR clone in those ranges, or maybe one of the GSG MP5 lookalikes.

WWII games, for that you can go out and get him a year-specific Mosin Nagant rifle and a Tokarev of Makarov to match. Those two aren't really WW2 era, but at least they'd match the rifle.

If you're not trying to tie into a game, I'd suggest a Ruger Mk2/mk3 or Browning Buckmark .22 pistol, or a Ruger 10/22 or Marlin rifle.

My dad gave me a Ruger Mk3 22/45 for my 23rd birthday, and I couldn't be happier with it. And since I picked up my baseline Marlin Model 60, I've been lusting over the 60SS (stainless, black-and-grey laminate stock) or a stainless 795, if I could find one with that laminate or a carbon fiber stock.

In my case, if I had been into guns as much then as I am now, a 60SS in my name and an offer to go squirrel hunting would have a grin on my face for weeks.

hmphargh
March 22, 2010, 05:11 PM
I don't have any specific suggestions, but most people in that age range don't have a whole lot of money so something in .22 or 9mm would be a good choice so that he can afford to feed his gun.

wlewisiii
March 22, 2010, 05:14 PM
Lots of really good trade-in revolvers in that price range. A good 4" .38 or .357 revolver is something that would be useful for his whole life as well as being economical to shoot.

William

Big Boy
March 22, 2010, 05:17 PM
In that price range I think the two things I would be most satisfied with are either a Glock/XD or semi pistol of some sort, or a lever 30-30. Both affordable, and neither really need accessories.

In all honesty, if it's one of my first guns, I'm getting in when I'm 18, and finally owning it when I'm 21, a .22 wouldn't really be that exciting to me.

wishin
March 22, 2010, 05:26 PM
Another vote for the Ruger 10-22. It's a fun rifle that is relatively inexpensive to shoot, and in your price range.

lesgeaux
March 22, 2010, 06:02 PM
A Henry H001 lever action 22 is a nice choice, or a S&W MP15-22 if a AR Type is desired.

fireside44
March 22, 2010, 06:12 PM
Swiss straight pull.

Can't think of a better gun at that price range so long as you don't have a problem with 7.5x55.

He can target shoot, hunt, or defend himself with it. A good, cheap, all purpose gun.

I guess it hasn't appeared in any video games or action movies but I would never base a gun gift on something related to that sort of thing anyways. It was the best suggestion I could think of.

Officers'Wife
March 22, 2010, 06:16 PM
How about asking HIM what he wants?

OK, this is probably a guy thing I won't understand but isn't that sort of thing a rite of passage for guys? Buying your first rifle at 18, handgun at 21? Aren't you kind of robbing him of that?

searcher451
March 22, 2010, 06:22 PM
I don't think that you can miss with a Ruger 10/22. It's a rifle that's great to start with, and it's also one that will provide its owner with a lifetime of quality service as well. If t's a handgun that you are after, you might want to consider a used Ruger Bearcat -- another can't-miss offering that will provide a lifetime of quality fun.

mole
March 22, 2010, 06:28 PM
My folks got me a Mossberg 500. Good for fun, hunting and home/self defense. When I moved out I grabbed the 500 and my 9mm pistol and left the others in the safe. Nothing beats a good pump 12 gauge.

Just my two cents.

miamiboy
March 22, 2010, 06:31 PM
I agree with the rifle suggestion, even the shotgun. If you're looking for a handgun, though, I would probably recommend a Taurus in 9mm.

Jolly Green
March 22, 2010, 06:31 PM
Rifles: *8mm mauser (Yugo, Russian rework, etc)
inexpensive rifle
decent accuracy
lots of cheap surplus
very cool looking

*Romanian PSL 54-C
7.62x54r = cheap/fun
comes with scope and iron sights
basically an elongated AK that looks like a dragunov
around $500-600 (pricier but still a good value)

Pistol: *Tokarev
$0.10 ammo
ammo is very powerful/armor piercing if thats what hes into (for the thrill or whatever)
preety cheap (Romanians are the easiest to get)

Shotgun
any single barrel 12 gauge will be cheap and very easy to feed

I didn't include .22lr's because the posts above have that covered. Without any real description of what he likes/ hopes to achieve from shooting I offered a more casual list for not serious target shooters (but the listed firearms can perform very well).

Hope this helps

52grain
March 22, 2010, 07:54 PM
If he's in to history, splurge and get a Garand?

jakeiscrazy
March 22, 2010, 10:04 PM
I would definitely go .22;

In order of most to least recommended;

SR-22
10/22
10/45
Ruger .22 SSA
Those little .22 "sub" guns
AK-47 .22s(do they make those??????)
and any good shotgun!

Zack
March 22, 2010, 10:15 PM
Yes Jakeiscrazy they make ak-47 in .22's They look like fun to.

Big Boy
March 22, 2010, 10:51 PM
This is my second post stating this, so sorry.... But really?! a .22?

Yes I have one, yes it is fun, yes I would buy one if I didn't have one, but for my first gun? This is going to be his FIRST and only for a while I imagine. Wouldn't you want something a little more versatile? Something he can hunt with, paper punch, and use for defense.

For that age group, I can guarantee he will be disappointed with a .22, but probably won't show it of course. I am twenty-one, almost twenty-two, so I'm not that far off that age group. I would always like a .22, but after I have other guns. I would be very disappointed for that to be my first and only gun at that age. A .22 is the first gun you get for your 10-12 year old son/nephew. Not a freshly graduated 18 year old who is finally starting to feel a little grown up.

Ithaca37
March 22, 2010, 11:39 PM
Ouch. Not much faith in your kid? Don't think waiting on a gun will keep him straight. You have to have drive and a moral compass to succeed in life. If he does not have it at this point, no gun is going to make him grow up.

Where I come from we get CCW permits at 18. I guess things are different in the south.

I would go with a handgun if he has to wait until 21 to take possession. Not sure what the law is in Georgia, but if you need to be 21 to own a handgun, then you might as well make your age requirement match the law. I like the used Glock idea. They are quite affordable and good guns.

I would NOT get a .22. I would be very disappointed if I had to wait 3 years to take possession of a .22lr. I would be much happier if that wait came with some useful firepower.

proud2deviate
March 22, 2010, 11:50 PM
My first thought was of a Remington 870; tons of fun, versatile, and darn-near unkillable. It will last him several lifetimes (kids, grandkids, etc.)

For a gift, I'd spring for a Wingmaster or a Police model, myself. Might run over your price limit, but then you might get lucky, too.

Bovice
March 23, 2010, 12:17 AM
I've ALWAYS thought the Ruger Mark II/III pistols were cool looking. Not that it should really matter, but I've read several places that suppressed Ruger Mark IIs have been used in covert ops. .22s can be made REALLY quiet.

In terms of having the gun for self defense... He's a few years out from even being able to carry a concealed weapon. And if it's being kept by the OP until he's 21, being used at the range only, it's perfect for that. He can master the art of pistol shooting with that gun, and transitioning later to a centerfire would put him far ahead of the majority.

If you go the Mark III route, throw some engraving on it. Nothing elaborate, just a nice little saying, a quote, or something like that. I'm a few years out of high school, but I'd still think that was awesome.

Deus Machina
March 23, 2010, 12:18 AM
Well, if he already likes target shooting with you, like I've said, a .22 would be good. Something like a 10/22 that he can upgrade.

If he's the usual 18 year old, and enjoys bang and flash more than putting one hole on top of another, I'd branch from my previous suggestions to something like a .38 or .357 or .44, long barreled or short, whichever he likes. Then, when he turns 21, you can give it to him the day he gets his CCL.

Or find a used CZ, Glock, Sig, 1911, what have you--and toss on a .22 conversion kit as well as keeping the stock barrel. He can target practice, and blow some fire from his fo-tay.

Or if he likes game guns, how about an AK? 7.62x39 is still pretty cheap, and assuming the supply keeps coming, you can get a '74-style and a can of 5.45 for about that much.

But honestly expecting an 18-21 year old to stay sober and celibate? Not likely. I stayed away from the drink and drugs (almost) completely, between not taking to chemicals like most people and not wanting an addiction, but that age bracket is the most energetic and virile of his life, and his body knows it well. How about doing like my dad did, and telling him to keep it in his pants (when his mother's around, at least), but overlooking the little things as long as he stays safe and doesn't get into trouble?

I mean, I turned out straight-laced and perfectly respectable, but at 18 a human male is a completely different person than even at 21. I remember a few times that my mom glared at me but my dad--usually with the expression of Lurch--had to hide a smirk when I came home with lipstick and tooth marks...

JEB
March 23, 2010, 12:19 AM
i would say a 4" .357 revolver. preferrably a ruger gp 100 in stainless for rust resistance and some good looks. it will be a very versitile weapon that will serve well as a hunting back up, range gun, home defense, and concealed carry with the right clothes. the rugers are built like tanks and are sure to last a lifetime and then some. it will be a very special piece that could someday be passed on to his son.

archigos
March 23, 2010, 12:25 AM
A variety of ideas:
An 870 would be good if only for the price range and versatility.
On the other hand, if you're not going to let him have it until he's 21, a carry gun that's fun to shoot would be a fantastic idea. I am a few years out still from having kids of my own, but when I do, I will be looking forward to giving them their first carry gun. There's something oddly sentimental about having your primary means of defense be a significant gift from your father or mother, especially for us gun nuts.

Arkansas Paul
March 23, 2010, 12:30 AM
The way things are going nowadays, I don't think I'd be trying to keep him AWAY from women. ;)
I agree with the Glock. Good gun, good price on used ones. Get a 9mm and it'll be fairly cheap to shoot. Plenty of em in the movies too.

HGM22
March 23, 2010, 12:34 AM
I'm going to agree with Big Boy and the others who've said it i.e. only get a .22 if he's got something else larger or its strictly a cheap plinking gun. Even then, I'm not so sure I'd want a .22 at that age. I think I'd rather a .357 (and .38) or 9mm for a handgun. A 7.62x39 AK or SKS might not be a bad option. They are cheap in price, reliable, shoot cheap ammo, have the "video game cool factor", and can be accessorized if wanted. I'd be most inclined to go for the Saiga, but the Hungarian AMD65, Yugo M70, WASR, etc. as well as Chinese and Yugo SKSs can be had for $300-500. Saiga gives the option of leaving stock, or getting to know the gun better and modifying it (check the law first!). This also means the gun can be more traditional or more "tactical" depending on taste. It would be a whole lot easier if we knew what the gun was likely to be used for.

Oh, and as others have said, why is keeping him away from girls a good thing? Wouldn't responsible interaction with members of the opposite sex be far more valuable than locking oneself away? I'm inclined to think that no interaction will lead to a stunted, awkward man, but that is just my opinion. I'm sorry if it wasn't wanted.

HGM22
March 23, 2010, 12:45 AM
I forgot to add. If you decide to go with something milsurp like the Mauser or Mosin, I'd be sure to buy a case or two of ammo now while the ammo is cheap. Probably not practical, but it would be cool if on his 21st you whipped out a 440 round case of ammo (assuming the price of ammo goes up, which it most definitely will).

wmeSha
March 23, 2010, 12:45 AM
I think I'm going to agree with others that say a .22lr is cool but something with more punch might be appreciated.

I'll second the GP100, and toss out the idea of a used Smith revolver from JGsales.

In the semi-auto category, maybe a Bersa Thunder 9? They're in the right price range and I think, while not overly fancy, people seem to like them. How about Kahr CW9? Ruger P95? For a bit more (but you'd still come in under $500) Top Gun Supply has CZ P01 pistols on sale right now.

Savage has rifles that would fit in your price range that I'd be happy to shoot. Perhaps a bolt action .223, .243, or .308?

wormserco
March 23, 2010, 03:51 AM
In that price range how about a Ruger SR9?

Kali
March 23, 2010, 04:03 AM
In my opinion he would appreciate a caliber bigger than 22. Its a good starter size for younger kids and females but I think a grown man would enjoy a larger caliber IMO.

edit: just read the rest of the thread and it looks as if others have said it first

runningfast
March 23, 2010, 04:59 AM
Bigger than .22lr?

Iconic in movies and games?

'Cool' factor for a young man?

In that price range?

Easy: used Glock 17 or 19.

9mm, 'evil black semi-auto' for coolness, one of the most widespread and recognizable pistols in the world... seems perfect for the bill, for me.

Ithaca37
March 23, 2010, 01:58 PM
But honestly expecting an 18-21 year old to stay sober and celibate? Not likely. I stayed away from the drink and drugs (almost) completely, between not taking to chemicals like most people and not wanting an addiction, but that age bracket is the most energetic and virile of his life, and his body knows it well. How about doing like my dad did, and telling him to keep it in his pants (when his mother's around, at least), but overlooking the little things as long as he stays safe and doesn't get into trouble?

I mean, I turned out straight-laced and perfectly respectable, but at 18 a human male is a completely different person than even at 21. I remember a few times that my mom glared at me but my dad--usually with the expression of Lurch--had to hide a smirk when I came home with lipstick and tooth marks...

I take issue with this and frankly find it insulting. Immature males do such things. This is because society does not place responsibility on them, not because of hormones. What you have stated suggests that males are incapable of controlling their behavior and are controlled by impulse and hormones.

rocky branch
March 23, 2010, 02:35 PM
I'm puzzled over what is expected of a 21 year old today.

At 21 I had been away from home 3 years.

I was a Sgt E5 in 5th Special Forces leading Cambodian irregulars in combat ops in Phuoc Long Provence.

A bunch of us were 21.

I'd suggest easing off on being so controlling.

I know a sloppy 25 year old who has never left home because he was raised in a controlling environment.
His world is the couch and the dinner table.

Fetus
March 23, 2010, 02:36 PM
In georgia you can own a handgun at 18 .

RatDrall
March 23, 2010, 02:54 PM
A S&W K-frame with a 4" barrel would make a fantastic training handgun, and a valuble tool that he can use forever, and is well within your price range.

archigos
March 23, 2010, 03:37 PM
I take issue with this and frankly find it insulting. Immature males do such things. This is because society does not place responsibility on them, not because of hormones. What you have stated suggests that males are incapable of controlling their behavior and are controlled by impulse and hormones.
Since when is being attracted to females immaturity, and when was there a reason for males to stay away from females? That is insulting. You're attempting to shelter him by giving him an irrelevant reason to stay away from women instead of helping him realize the relevant considerations. This does not foster responsibility - you are making decisions for him, not letting him share responsibility by making his own decisions.
Yes, he has hormones. Yes, there are things of which he should be weary. These two facts are not mutually exclusive, and pretending that there is no middle ground forces your child to make a decision between two incorrect methods to approaching life. If you continue to shelter him like this, prepare to provide him shelter for the rest of his life, as you've apparently made no attempt to wean him off it.

jdub3
March 23, 2010, 03:57 PM
I agree completely with Archigos. Since when is 21 the magic age for men and women to have "relations"? It doesn't make sense biologically, morally, or socially to me. I don't think a gun that cost $20k would have kept me away from girls at that age and I think it is perfectly normal and healthy. He is an adult at 18 and has to understand there are consequences for bad decisions, and I understand not wanting your son to have casual unprotected sex with numerous partners. But if he gets himself a nice girl and they get serious at that age, I see nothing wrong with it. And I really don't think the promise of a $200-400 dollar gun will keep him from doing his thing.

That said, if you want to buy him a gift there is nothing wrong with that and I am sure he will appreciate it. Just have a little faith in the young man and the way he was raised.

BlayGlock
March 23, 2010, 04:03 PM
A used Glock 17 or 19.

Deus Machina
March 23, 2010, 09:10 PM
I take issue with this and frankly find it insulting. Immature males do such things. This is because society does not place responsibility on them, not because of hormones. What you have stated suggests that males are incapable of controlling their behavior and are controlled by impulse and hormones.

Take all the issue you want, but I didn't say it to be insulting, and I never implied that males of that age are incapable of controlling their actions.

What I meant by it was that males of that age are influenced by urges and hormones, more than at any other time. Their hormones affect them worse than at any other point in their life, and their 'guidance' on the matter is often other 18-21 year olds. These problems can, of course, range, generally starting between 16 and 18.

It by no means implies that they should assume any less responsibility over their actions, just that society doesn't unfortunately usually place it upon them, that they're having a tough time during that part of their final transition from boy to man (I know my brain and body were at odds and confused from 16 to early 19!) and that they haven't made their own mistakes to learn from yet.

If they're lucky, they see things beforehand and don't make them at all, but if they're not more logic-bound than your average HS graduate and have been sheltered from making and seeing others' mistakes, they're either inexperienced to it or rebellious.

The military is a great environment to set a 18-21 year old on the right track. It teaches responsibility and allows freedom but punishes transgressions. A sheltered home life and a social environment comprised completely of late teens and recent graduate-age lead to negative outside pressures or a natural rebellion, unless the parents are good and the kid's already on the right track.

No inflammatory remarks intended. But look back at people you knew in high school. Ever known a guy from middle school to college age? At 17, they are an entirely different person than at 21, and I can bet money on that.

Lairvine
March 24, 2010, 07:28 AM
A 1911 I cannot believe noone has said this!!!!!

You can get an Armscor or Rock Island Arms one in your price range I have one and love it!

cz75bdneos22
March 24, 2010, 10:01 AM
glock 17,19,26 new or used...your call!;)

22-rimfire
March 24, 2010, 10:27 AM
I would buy something that he is already familiar with but maybe a tad better depending on what you take to the range.

22 rifles are always good. I'd give him a 22 rifle immediately upon graduation. Lots of good 22's to choose from and anyone who shoots should probably have a 22 rifle. The choice depends on how he likes to shoot. I would say you try to please him, not you necessarily with the choice. AR type 22 rifles run around $500.

A handgun choice would be entirely based on what you know. Glocks are always good and not too expensive. Revolvers are always good and the good ones are expensive.

A Ruger Mark III 22 with a heavy barrel would be an excellent choice and one that lasts a lifetime.

Officers'Wife
March 24, 2010, 11:14 AM
No inflammatory remarks intended. But look back at people you knew in high school. Ever known a guy from middle school to college age? At 17, they are an entirely different person than at 21, and I can bet money on that.

Blanket statements are never true as it only takes one example to the contrary to make them false. There is one gentleman in Pulaski County that is now at age 23 much the same as he was at age 17. However, his family was very business oriented (agriculture) and he was taught both personal and financial discipline from his early teens.

Boys may be influenced by their hormones but whether they are slaves to them depends on the level of discipline they have learned from their parents.

clyde619
March 24, 2010, 08:54 PM
I think a .22 rifle would be your best bet to buy someone his/her first gun. A marlin 60 would be a very nice rifle to consider. The price of ammo is another thing to consider, especially with Obama in the picture.

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