Mainline media supporting concealed carry?


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Gouranga
March 24, 2010, 11:19 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com.id.34714389/ns.us_news-life

So hell must have frozen over cause this article, even its title seems to support the concealed carry movement. There are some less then stellar arguments presented in it but to see it making front page news like this not too bad.

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wishin
March 24, 2010, 11:29 AM
They must have fired the reporter and pulled the article because the link won't work!:rolleyes:

jakk280rem
March 24, 2010, 11:36 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34714389/ns/us_news-life/

Record numbers now licensed to pack heat
Firearms deaths fall as millions obtain permits to carry concealed guns

By Mike Stuckey
Senior news editor
msnbc.com
updated 1 hour, 48 minutes ago

Waving a chromed semiautomatic pistol, the robber pushed into the building in the bustling Five Points neighborhood of Columbia, S.C., just before 11 p.m. on April 11, 2009. “Gimme what you got!” he yelled, his gun hand trembling.

Attorney Jim Corley was one of four people in the room, the lounge area of a 12-step recovery group’s meeting hall. “He said, ‘Give me your wallet,’” Corley recalled. “So I reached around to my back pocket and gave him what was there.”

Unfortunately for the gunman, later identified as Kayson Helms, 18, of Edison, N.J., that was Corley’s tiny Kel-Tec .32, hidden in a wallet holster and loaded with a half-dozen hollow points. Corley fired once into the robber’s abdomen. The young man turned. Corley fired twice more, hitting him in the neck and again in the torso. Helms ran into the night and collapsed to die on a railroad embankment 100 feet away

Reports filed by officers who arrived at the scene a short time later called it an “exceptionally clear” case of justifiable homicide. Following South Carolina’s “Castle Doctrine,” which allows the use of deadly force in self-defense, police did not arrest Corley. They did not interrogate him. Corley was offered the opportunity to make a voluntary statement, which he did.

Helms’ friends and relatives were left to mourn, barred by the same Castle Doctrine from filing a civil lawsuit.

Jim Corley became an unintentional spokesman for a burgeoning movement of millions of Americans who secretly and legally pack pistols in waistbands, under jackets, strapped to ankles, stashed in purses or — like Corley — tucked in hip pockets.

From its beginnings in the 1980s, the “right-to-carry” movement has succeeded in boosting the number of licensed concealed-gun carriers from fewer than 1 million to about 6 million today, according to estimates from gun-rights groups that are supported by msnbc.com’s research. And while hotly debated, the effect of this dramatic increase is largely unknown.

Gun enthusiasts claim a link between more private citizens carrying concealed weapons and the nation’s dramatic decrease in violent crime. Gun-control activists argue that concealed-carry permits are being handed out to people who should never get them, sometimes resulting in tragic, needless shootings.

Effect on crime is hotly debated
But even with the push to expand concealed-carry rights now in its third decade, no scientific studies have reached any widely accepted conclusions about the movement’s effect on crime or personal safety.

Statistics from the national Centers for Disease Control do indicate that the murder and mayhem predicted by many opponents of concealed-carry laws have not come to pass. But even that point, while celebrated by gun-rights activists and conceded by some concealed-carry opponents, is disputed by others.

Both sides do agree on one thing: More Americans than ever are carrying hidden guns.

Firearms laws have been growing more relaxed across the United States for years. Gun-control activists have failed in efforts to re-enact the nationwide ban on certain semiautomatic rifles they call “assault weapons.” They were unable to block a change in federal law, signed by President Obama this year, which allows guns to be carried in national parks. And they watched in dismay as the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June 2008 that the Second Amendment grants residents of Washington, D.C., the right to own and keep loaded handguns in their homes.

This is the first of three pages. Anyone can can read the other two at msn.

Warhawk83
March 24, 2010, 11:45 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34714389/ns/us_news-life/

That link works.

I can't believe I read that on MSN.:what:

He even put assault weapons in quotation marks!!!

Ashcons
March 24, 2010, 11:48 AM
Hey, I was just reading through and about to post this article.

"Rand, the spokeswoman for the Violence Policy Center, acknowledged that “we don’t have centralized data-gathering to know what people are doing with these licenses.”

“(But) anecdotally, we know they’re doing quite a bit of harm,” she said. "

:scrutiny:

ny32182
March 24, 2010, 11:48 AM
Shocking indeed to see that on MSNBC.

Straight Shooter
March 24, 2010, 11:56 AM
Very positive article.

Statistics from the national Centers for Disease Control do indicate that the murder and mayhem predicted by many opponents of concealed-carry laws have not come to pass. But even that point, while celebrated by gun-rights activists and conceded by some concealed-carry opponents, is disputed by others.

In the 1980s and ’90s, as the concealed-carry movement gained steam, Americans were killed by others with guns at the rate of about 5.66 per 100,000 population. In this decade, the rate has fallen to just over 4.07 per 100,000, a 28 percent drop. The decline follows a fivefold increase in the number of “shall-issue” and unrestricted concealed-carry states from 1986 to 2006.

It is statements like these that are changing people's minds and the laws for better.

There is also a poll in this article:
http://world-news.newsvine.com/_question/2010/03/23/4036468-how-safe-do-you-feel-knowing-there-are-people-around-legally-carrying-concealed-guns

Gouranga
March 24, 2010, 12:34 PM
Sorry about the link, my clipboard has decided not to work today and I fat fingered it. Yeah, the article took me aback. I mean it flies in the face of the usual anti doom and gloom predictions. Even shows an example of a case where a guy had to use it lawfully protect himself. There was some anti stuff in there but it seemed actually balanced at least.

gearhead
March 24, 2010, 01:41 PM
I live in Columbia, I remember that case well. Another case happened only a couple of months before, less than 20 miles away in one of the suburbs. Three young men had phoned in a bogus pizza delivery order and waited in the bushes in the yard of the address they used to order the pizza. When the delivery guy walked up the drive, one guy jumped him and knocked him to the ground beating him while two others stood in the bushes. The pizza delivery man was lawfully carrying and pulled his weapon (a .38 Spl. revolver, IIRC). The assailant was shot and killed, the other two were apprehended later by the police. Like the incident in Five Points, it was judged to be completely justified and even though the 17 year old assailant was unarmed the authorities agreed that the delivery guy had a legitimate fear of death or grave bodily harm.

woodsoup
March 24, 2010, 02:05 PM
I just sent Mr. Stuckey an Email thanking him for his objective article.

Buck Snort
March 24, 2010, 02:23 PM
I just sent Mr. Stuckey an Email thanking him for his objective article.
We ALL should do the same. Mikestuckey@msnbc.com

Texas Gun Person
March 24, 2010, 02:43 PM
Sent him a message. :)

NMGonzo
March 24, 2010, 03:28 PM
Wonderful news!

More regular Joe's trained in SD = more good guys with guns = less victims.

Strahley
March 24, 2010, 03:34 PM
I will be sending him an email as well. A good one I mean!

Driftertank
March 24, 2010, 03:36 PM
Wait WHAT? You mean shooting deaths are actually REDUCED when the good guys have guns too? That can't be right. Almost validates my CWP posession...

brausso
March 24, 2010, 03:40 PM
Good article, thank you.

Did you guys read the responses on the poll that was in the article? It's amazing to me how narrow sighted people are. Every single idiot who apposed CCW said "I don't want some red neck, short tempered wacko with a gun next to me". How ignorant can you be? How do they not get that it's a honest, hard working, law abiding citizen that may save their life some day when some reckless thug who gives two sh*ts about legal carry puts a gun to their head asking for money.

I just don't get it. Do they think that outlawing CCW that criminals won't carry with the intent to hurt or kill. Then what? wait for the police to get there 10 minutes later when your brains are splattered on the sidewalk? It scares me how irrational people are.

kda
March 24, 2010, 03:55 PM
I just sent Mr. Stuckey an Email thanking him for his objective article.
Thanks, I followed your lead and sent him a thank you e-Mail also. Great idea.

Kingcreek
March 24, 2010, 03:59 PM
within that article there is an online poll. currently running- 73% feel safer knowing citizens are armed: 23% feel more in danger: 4% not sure. about 40k votes so far.

Strahley
March 24, 2010, 04:07 PM
Count me in as part of the 73%

oldpuppymax
March 24, 2010, 06:04 PM
Upon reading the article you'll find this MSNBC "reporter" does far more to advance the cause of gun grabbers and the Brady people than that of CC and 2nd amendment advocates. Just the "packing heat" nonsense in the title makes his position pretty clear. Why not write that Americans are "taking advantage of their 2nd amendment rights!"

Driftertank
March 24, 2010, 06:22 PM
The facts touted by the anti-gun people as far as people legally being able to have guns, and it's effect on crime rate, is seriously hindered by real-world examples like switzerland.

Case in point?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm

It's not the guns out there that cause the problems. It's the people's attitude towards them that causes the problems. People that treat guns as a source of power and a means of enforcing their will on others.

Meh, that's all the rant I'll give this one.

MedWheeler
March 24, 2010, 11:47 PM
He's a reporter, puppy. "Packing heat" grabs readers more than does "exercising 2A rights".. Most of my gun-owning friends use that phrase, too.
In response to a similar editorial in our local paper lamenting the possibility of "some redneck or yahoo" carrying a gun in proximity to the whiner, I posted a response citing the over-one-million CCW/CCF licenses issued here in Florida (it's closer to two million now) and reminded her that that makes the odds show about one in 25-30 eligible adults licensed, and suggested she think about how many such people she passed the last time she walked through the local mall. I'm sure she now feels lucky to have escaped with her life.

mack
March 25, 2010, 12:23 AM
Well who'da thunk - msnbc really. I read it but I still don't know that I believe it.

ClayInTX
March 25, 2010, 01:17 AM
I sent him an email thanking him for an unbiased report. Perhaps the statistics are changing his mind about gun control—we can hope.

I noticed in the responses that the ant-gunners were getting more sparse toward the end. Dare we hope they, or some, are getting the message?

cchris
March 25, 2010, 01:30 AM
Great article, I'll get around to emailing him when I upgrade Firefox to a version that will work with my email. I actually only just now heard about the self-defense use of a handgun in Columbia when I was walking past the building, and a friend of mine (and fellow shooter) filled me in on the story of a guy who tried to rob the place and a CWP holder was able to stop the threat.

At least reading this opened me up to a new satirical "agreement" comment for the anti-concealed carry crowd...

"I refuse to get my concealed weapons permit, because someday it may bring harm to a murderous criminal."

wrs840
March 25, 2010, 01:54 AM
I just emailed this to Mikestuckey@msnbc.com :

Subject: Great CCW Article!

I enjoyed your article on Concealed-Carry! I'm 51, and I've been shooting since eight, and been a "gun owner" since Dad gave me a .22 rifle for my 12th birthday.

Guess what? I've never shot anyone, never been arrested for anything, and I'm a responsible self-made entrepreneur. I'm also a concealed-carry permit holder, and if you see me with pants on, you see me armed.

Thanks, Mr. Stuckey, for the kind of fairness I'm not used to seeing from the home of maniacal zealots like Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman.

Kudos Sir,

Lester Moran

Gouranga
March 25, 2010, 05:04 PM
Well they posted a new one today...not as favorable.

So here is my fear guys. Healthcare passed, we have SCOTUS deciding a key 2nd amendment case, now we are seeing an increase in news articles on CCW in the media. I have heard plenty of rumors and fears about the administration going after 2nd amendment rights...is this a sign that the fight is about to begin?

dec41971
March 26, 2010, 12:48 AM
No relax with the fears. Its not going to happen. Just look at the reader responses on MSNBC article. Their probably mostly democrat reader at that. The antis are in the minority. Last I saw that article it was 74% said it made the feel safer. The article was a welcome surprise, but the reader response just astounding!

BTW a few weeks ago CNN did a poll and guess what? Yup we were in the majority on CNN poll too. We are talking CNN readers. There is something in the water, it tastes good and trust me they are not as stupid as you think. They might be anti, but this is one issue they wont touch. They know its a guaranteed looser and Obama even told AG to back off with the rhetoric when he had started saber rattling.:D

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