Boat Protection Gun.


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KAK
March 24, 2010, 08:32 PM
I have a 21' Majek flats boat and in a world where people kill each other over fishing spots I am thinking about what long gun to get to defend it with.

This gun needs LOTS of rust protection, It will get salt water spray often. I have a glock 17 that I usually put in the dry box, but I need a gun with some more power and reach.

Got about a $600 limit on this one.

A few I was thinking about:

Benelli Nova H2O - Slugs
Mossberg 500 Mariner - Slugs
Mini 14 All weather

Anyone else have any ideas?

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Tinpig
March 24, 2010, 08:46 PM
I keep my boat in salt water, and this is what I keep on board when I feel the need-

Stainless Ruger Blackhawk in .357 magnum.
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/IMG_2070.jpg

NOLAEMT
March 24, 2010, 08:59 PM
I would go with the shotgun. easier to keep in working order on a boat I think. plus shotgun slugs will do a number to an outboard engine or the fiberglass boat body.

joeq
March 24, 2010, 09:40 PM
I think the Mossberg 500 mariner is the way to go.

oneounceload
March 24, 2010, 09:43 PM
If you're in an area where folks kill each other over a fishing spot, personally, I would find another spot........gimme a break

Now if you said you needed protection from gators or water mocs dropping in your boat - that I can believe.but killing each other over a bass?....really now........

Redneck with a 40
March 24, 2010, 09:45 PM
870 marine magnum.:)

SharpsDressedMan
March 24, 2010, 09:47 PM
I think one of those AR platforms, with the Beowolf, anything .45 or .50 with a heavy bullet, would make for one shot stops, AND give great performance in SINKING the bad guys' boat.

LibShooter
March 24, 2010, 09:52 PM
+1 on the Mossberg Mariner. My uncle who had one on his boat sailing from the Pamlico Sound to the Atlantic. He did absolutely nothing to it except soak it down every so often with WD-40 (yikes!) and shoot it once or twice a year (to see if it still worked). It always did.

I'm not recommending his care regimen, but his Mossy survived it.

RainDodger
March 24, 2010, 09:56 PM
<sigh> I tried to protect my boat. Then I dropped not one, but ALL of my firearms overboard. Accidentally, of course. It was a horrible boating accident. No more guns. Bummer for me.

Geneseo1911
March 24, 2010, 10:13 PM
I'd be sorely tempted to get the mini. I mean, if it's good enough for Sig & Ed Hanson ;)

Nothing wrong with a shotgun, but if I'm repelling pirates, I'd much prefer to measure my shots in yards rather than feet.

9mm+
March 24, 2010, 10:50 PM
Either the Mossy or Remy in the mariner version. The variety in the loads help aid in the overall defense and the looser action tolerances give a better must-go-bang chance if the shotgun gets around some goop.

hso
March 24, 2010, 10:57 PM
First off, don't be where trouble is and trouble is less likely to find you.

Second, someone wants your fishing hole, give it to them. It's a hobby and only a lunatic thinks of giving their life to another lunatic for a hobby. (disregard if this is commercial fishing).

Third, make sure that you have safety "rails" on your boat that help keep you on and makes it difficult for the rifraff climb aboard.

Fourth, rifled shotguns give you reach with sabot rounds and close in scattergun ability if they're too close.

Hatterasguy
March 24, 2010, 11:32 PM
Personaly I have been an avid boater my entire life, and probably spend more days on the water per year than most professional's.

I have never come across any situation that I felt required a weapon of anykind, excepy maybe if your shark fishing and feel the need for a bang stick. Nore have I ever heard of a situation involving a shootout between two boats that wasn't pirate related. Well other than some crazy lobster guys that get a kick out of blasting at eachother with shotguns now and than.

Boaters and fisherman are some of the most friendly people you will find, you don't need a gun.

If you insist I would get a Mossberg 590 with the line launcher kit, and paint it international safety orange. This way if you are ever in trouble or need to get a line to a fellow boater in trouble you may have a usefull tool. Learn how to use it though, your want to fire over the boat not at it!

jnyork
March 25, 2010, 12:53 AM
I think I would be looking for a better place to fish! :eek:

Thermactor
March 25, 2010, 01:28 AM
what caliber for pirate?

T2K
March 25, 2010, 03:55 AM
"...in a world where people kill each other over fishing spots..."

What world is that? Not recreational fishing, surely?

I've known oystermen and commercial crabbers to carry guns as people do try to steal their catch or their gear, apparently.

Shadow 7D
March 25, 2010, 04:10 AM
Might I suggest that you take up a safer sport, like skydiving or cave diving?

Really if you want to fish in those holes, I would suggest that you go in with duck taped trauma plates and your automatic shotgun, baring that, make sure that your crack team of mall security is there to back you up, sparing that, go with the mini 14, way more intimidating than some old shotty, even if that said shotgun is more useful a tool.

amd6547
March 25, 2010, 04:28 AM
Nothing says "back off" quite like a folding stock Kalashnikov with a 30rd mag. Plus it is relatively cheap, it is rugged and reliable, and it packs small.

Travis McGee
March 25, 2010, 08:08 AM
Is this is US waters? Everything changes overseas.

aka108
March 25, 2010, 08:15 AM
I've had a Mossberg Mariner for over 25 years. Great gun for the price and one that given a little care should last for generations.

Tinpig
March 25, 2010, 09:11 AM
Portland, ME; 2009
A turf war in the lobster-rich waters off Maine escalated into a dispute that left a lobsterman with a gunshot wound to the neck and another in jail, law enforcement officials said Tuesday.:uhoh:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=8135785

Tinpig

wishin
March 25, 2010, 09:19 AM
Anything in stainless unless you're fishing the BassMaster Tourney, then a .50 cal. MG.:rolleyes:

shockwave
March 25, 2010, 09:27 AM
AR-15s have long been a preferred gun for boaters. Great firepower and range, and simple operation. But I've gotta go with the opinion that a fishing hole isn't worth killing people over.

Ed Harris
March 25, 2010, 09:35 AM
Last time I observed a martime security and safety team (MSST) operating on the Potomac River near Washington, DC the riverine patrol craft armament was an M2HB cal. .50 machinegun and crew were armed with three Beretta M9 pistols, two M4s and a Mossberg 500. They can fish anywhere they want!

Lee Roder
March 25, 2010, 09:47 AM
Boaters and fisherman are some of the most friendly people you will find, you don't need a gun.

One cannot ever be too careful. If not armed to the teeth, you'd make an easy target for pirates. And walkin' the plank ain't fun

:evil:

shooter514
March 25, 2010, 10:17 AM
If you're in an area where folks kill each other over a fishing spot, personally, I would find another spot........gimme a break

Now if you said you needed protection from gators or water mocs dropping in your boat - that I can believe.but killing each other over a bass?....really now........
you must not fish salt water...... fresh water = more relaxed inexpensive fishing, salt = crazy dumb asses who spent 100's to fish that day that will run you over to drop some lines on the weed line you found 1st...! (in a big ocean) then get mad at you cuz they have your line in there prop..... and the boat ramp is a whole other story!!! I hate the dumb asses that have invaded my homeland here in south fl...

lions
March 25, 2010, 10:49 AM
...in a world where people kill each other over fishing spots...

He's not saying his favorite fishing hole is a war zone, he is saying that things happen in this world and he wants to be prepared, probably the same thing all of us who CCW say. Let's all lay off giving him the Brady treatment telling him he doesn't need a gun for fishing or that he is somewhere he shouldn't be and is asking for trouble.

I would go with whichever company's marine model shotgun you like best.

Crawford
March 25, 2010, 11:37 AM
The shotgun with buckshot and slugs is probably you best bet, but a stainless Mini-30 isn’t a bad choice either. I carried both (along with a Glock-17) for 6 years throughout the Bahamas and the Caribbean. But, I wouldn’t underestimate the utility of one of the commercial (or mil surplus if you can find them) flare pistols. I knew a guy on a 50 ft. sailboat that kept a half-dozen of them scattered around the boat. All you have to do is land one flare in the other boat and then watch ‘em bail like rats leaving a sinking ship. Especially with the smaller, gas-powered sport fishing boats, there are usually enough gasoline fumes floating around that onboard fire is the biggest fear.

pikid89
March 25, 2010, 11:45 AM
870 marine magnum...i want one

shephard19
March 25, 2010, 11:55 AM
An AK47. You might wan't to mount a blackpowder cannon on your bow loaded with grapeshot if you can afford and its legal, most people would probably think its just a decoration.

X-Rap
March 25, 2010, 12:09 PM
What no HiPoint:confused: I thought they were the fishermans choice:rolleyes:
I just came back from a 4 day fishing trip and I had a Glock in the rod locker. Not many Pirates on Lake Powell but its always nice to have a gun and better to have it in the boat than stolen from the truck at the landing.
Even better now that its legal.
I know nothing of the Maritime Laws but if you could keep it stored from the elements a cheap SKS would be the ticket in case you had to drop it over the side to avoid some Banana Republics shore patrol.

RatDrall
March 25, 2010, 12:15 PM
34 round magazines for your Glock should do, for a hicap handgun to fire while you drive the boat with your other hand.

If you need a rifle the SS Mini-14 would be my choice, but you'll have to get the factory magazines coated in hard chrome or something. Watch the springs for corrosion...

dusty14u
March 25, 2010, 12:22 PM
I think you will find that belt fed pedastal mounted guns would be what you are looking for. They do crowd the casting deck a bit but are well worth the investment.;)

Carl N. Brown
March 25, 2010, 12:24 PM
I think the OP was hyperbole (deliberate exaggeration).

On the other hand, boating unarmed where druggies are known to boat-jack is dangerous.

And in Louisiana, water mocassins may attack a string of caught fish, and climb in the boat after the fisherman. That .410 Snake Charmer mini-shotgun answered a real demand.

However, a cylinder 12ga 18" to 20" barrel will fire 12ga marine flares safely (DON'T try it in barrel with any choke).


Added: I recall touring battleship Alabama in the late 1960s and one of those pedestal mount Oerlikons with a drum magazine of 20mm would look nice on the quarterdeck of a cabin cruiser.

searcher451
March 25, 2010, 12:28 PM
The anti-piracy water cannon:

http://cominganarchy.com/2009/04/27/anti-pirate-water-cannon/

Franco2shoot
March 25, 2010, 12:37 PM
What about the Judge? 410 or .45 your pick.

KKKKFL

Delaware_Dan
March 25, 2010, 12:42 PM
I am really suprised to rear people say AR15s. They are jamomatics on dry land let alone in a marine environment. I reccomend an 870 Mariner, and a Saiga w/ 30 round mag. Both can be had in your price range.

ForumSurfer
March 25, 2010, 01:05 PM
870 marine magnum...i want one

I have one. :neener:

I bought it when it was new back in 93 or 4, can't remember exactly. Cost me $300 OTD. It's my favorite piece in my collection for some reason. Shoots great and the finish is still outstanding. There is some wear at the plug end since it hangs out past the barrel. I'd rather shoot it than keep it pristine. :rolleyes:

I second the 870 Marine Magnum. Great gun and it will hold up well.

That being said, I question needing one. Fishing offshore in NC, I have never seen the need. But if you want a recommendation, there you go. Whatever floats your boat, bro! :cool:

LoneCoon
March 25, 2010, 01:10 PM
Something that floats. With all these people losing guns in boating accidents, I'd want something that's not going to sink.

And +1 on the cannon. Avast!

Onward Allusion
March 25, 2010, 01:24 PM
Get an el-cheapo WASR AK and get it Dura-coated. I have one and between the synthetic stock and dura-coat, it is as good if not better than the Mariner with a hell of a lot more firepower in your situation. A Mini-14 (even all weather) may not be appropriate in your application. You'll want something with loose tolerances.


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I have a 21' Majek flats boat and in a world where people kill each other over fishing spots I am thinking about what long gun to get to defend it with.

This gun needs LOTS of rust protection, It will get salt water spray often. I have a glock 17 that I usually put in the dry box, but I need a gun with some more power and reach.

Got about a $600 limit on this one.

A few I was thinking about:

Benelli Nova H2O - Slugs
Mossberg 500 Mariner - Slugs
Mini 14 All weather

Anyone else have any ideas?

Onward Allusion
March 25, 2010, 01:29 PM
+1! Got a duracoated (see the theme?) :-) Saiga and it's almost as good as the WASR in that type of environment (because of the tighter tolerances).


Delaware_Dan (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=83790)
I am really suprised to rear people say AR15s. They are jamomatics on dry land let alone in a marine environment. I reccomend an 870 Mariner, and a Saiga w/ 30 round mag. Both can be had in your price range.

lions
March 25, 2010, 01:36 PM
You'll want something with loose tolerances.

Got a duracoated Saiga and it's almost as good as the WASR in that type of environment (because of the tighter tolerances).

So which is it, looser or tighter? You can't have it both ways.:) Is it the Mini with its tighter clearances. Or the Saiga with its looser clearances?

Onward Allusion
March 25, 2010, 02:04 PM
In bad enviroments, the Saiga is almost as good as the WASR because the Saiga has tighter tolerances. You'll want looser tolerances in inhospitable environments (sand, water, salt...etc). The WASR's rattle and can't usualy do better than 2" groups at 50 yards but they will still shoot after getting wet with mud & other crap on them - as long as you brush it off.



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You'll want something with loose tolerances.

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Originally Posted by Onward
Got a duracoated Saiga and it's almost as good as the WASR in that type of environment (because of the tighter tolerances).

So which is it, looser or tighter? You can't have it both ways.:) Is it the Mini with its tighter clearances. Or the Saiga with its looser clearances?

KAK
March 25, 2010, 02:59 PM
If you're in an area where folks kill each other over a fishing spot, personally, I would find another spot........gimme a break

Now if you said you needed protection from gators or water mocs dropping in your boat - that I can believe.but killing each other over a bass?....really now........

It happens, its rare, but it happens. Always be ready for everything. Thats why I chose to carry too, not because im paranoid but because bad people are a reality.

It will not happen to me, because I choose to defend myself. ;)

Some of yall seriously sound like antis. I would like a gun on my boat JUST IN CASE.

My uncle had a friend that went missing 30 or so miles off the coast of Marco Island FL. His boat turned up at a auction, someone jacked him.

Yachts get jacked all the time.

Hann
March 25, 2010, 03:16 PM
If you sail around South Florida or in the Caribbean in general, especially if you island hop you will soon learn there are some rough people in the region. I wouldn't go looking for trouble and would avoid it at all costs but I'd want to have a gun anyway. I wouldn't rely on the Coast Guard myself, especially if you are in another country's territorial waters.

KAK
March 25, 2010, 03:22 PM
I think these would fit the bill nicely. I like the folding stocks, they would stow nicely. I think im going to duracoat one of these then hose it with corrosion x that I use on my reels.

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/images/ssi-2008/55125.jpg

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/images/sub2000/pic2.jpg

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