CC revolver suggestions - no snubbies please


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KennyC
March 25, 2010, 11:54 AM
As I'll be taking the CCH course in about two weeks, I have been researching what to buy for a concealed carry handgun. I've decided I want it to be a revolver (obviously, or I wouldn't be posting here ;) ), but it sure is easy to be overwhelmed by the choices out there.

I currently own only one handgun: a Beretta U22 Neos with 6" barrel. It's a lot of fun to shoot at the range, but certainly not a good CCW. Even though I'm more familiar with autoloaders, I do want to go with a revolver for their reliability; my first automatic jam convinced me of that.

I really don't want a snubnose revolver; never really liked them. I need something that is still fun to shoot. If it's not then I'm not going to practice with it like I should, and if I don't practice with it, I'm not going to feel comfortable with it. And if I don't feel comfortable with it, I probably won't carry it, and that doesn't do me much good. :o

I'm also not infatuated with the huge calibers. 32cal is as low as I'd probably go, but I certainly don't need a handcannon. I even question if .357Mag is necessary for me, though I wouldn't turn it down either. Personally, I'd prefer more rounds over higher caliber.

I'm 6' tall, 180lbs if that helps to know what would be concealable for me.

I have been doing my homework on this, but like I said, very easy for a newbie like me to get overwhelmed and confused. I also plan to visit some local ranges that rent guns and shoot a few to get an idea, but it'd be nice to have some knowledge beforehand. So would y'all have any suggestions for me? :) Thanks!

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keyboard commando
March 25, 2010, 12:16 PM
Sounds like you might be comfortably armed with a Smith & Wesson 4" model 10 or model 64. Both are common fixed sight .38 specials.:scrutiny:

flipajig
March 25, 2010, 12:26 PM
welcome to the madness

I used to carry a auto in 9mm and just picked up a
ruger LCR in 38 spc even though you dont like snubies (I didnt eather)
untill i handled one. As for the 357 mag ive shot a GP101 and didnt like it.
(i do shoot a SBH in 44mag) in my mind you have to be comfertable in what you
shoot and carry. That is why i chose the LCR in 38 spc.

RatDrall
March 25, 2010, 12:31 PM
I carry a 4" S&W Model 64 in a Blade Tech IWB, a very comfortable holster that conceals easily, even with the square butt and 4" barrel. The longer barreled, heavier, hand filling revolver is very easy to carry.

My wife carries a 3" Ruger SP101, which is about the same diameter in the cylinder, but only holds 5 rounds.

Either are fantastic choices that should last forever.

Guy de Loimbard
March 25, 2010, 12:43 PM
A 4" Ruger Security Six is not that big. Heavy enough to make the .357 easy to shoot if you so choose, still light enough to carry all day.

stu454
March 25, 2010, 12:43 PM
A 4" K frame in .38 or .357 should do the trick.

Fixed or adjustable sights, blue, stainless or nickel is your call.

md7
March 25, 2010, 12:51 PM
you want a gun capable of concealing and range, and don't want a snubbie so i would suggest looking at 3" bbl revolvers. a few examples that come to mind:

Ruger SP101, 3" bbl ( i humbly suggest the .357 mag as it can also fire .38 spcl. and that is a very common round)

Ruger GP100 3" bbl. available in .357/.38

S&W model 66 3" bbl. available in .357/.38

The model 10 and 64 are also good recomendations. quality is understood, it's all about preference at this point.

JAV8000
March 25, 2010, 01:29 PM
You can't go wrong with a Ruger GP100 3" or 4". They are bomb proof and aren't any more difficult to conceal than any other medium frame revolver.

dovedescending
March 25, 2010, 01:34 PM
3 inches is easier to carry then 4. SP101 is probably the best pick.

19-3Ben
March 25, 2010, 01:45 PM
GP100 is a big revolver. I wouldn't want to CC that.
I'm 5'11" 170 so we're pretty close in proportion.

I carry an SP101 3". It's smaller than the GP, and with that 3"bbl it points very naturally. Much more so than a snubbie. I actually can't stand snubbies, but would never trade my SP101 for anything.

joe_security
March 25, 2010, 01:45 PM
Might I suggest the classic S&W model 10 pencil barrel version ? Not muzzle heavy, .38 not .357, smooth trigger pull and reloads lightning fast with Safailand Comp 2 speedloaders. This if you prefer 4" barrel revolver.

SwordRapier
March 25, 2010, 01:55 PM
No ones has said it. I guess I will.

Ruger makes a sp101 in .327 federal mag. You get six shots in the same frame as the 5 shot .38/.357.

The .327 is a .32 caliber. It is hotter than the .32 h&r. According to most people doing the ballistics test. the .327 federal's power is better than a .38 special and nearly as good as some .357 loads.

Ruger also has the .327 in a 3" gp 100 and super blackhawk in .327 but the backhawk is a bit big for ccw. Charter Arms makes the .327 in a 4 inch. Smith and Wesson and Taurus also have .327 offerings.

Personally, I own the Charter 4". I bought it because it's more affordable than the Ruger. It also has a lifetime warranty.

For me they are just fun to shoot, and the cartridge is gaining in popularity. More and more gun companies are making products for the cartridge. I personally hope someone makes a lever gun for .327.

Cocked & Locked
March 25, 2010, 01:58 PM
A 4" S&W 66 .357, with a round butt to help conceal it better, works for me at times.

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6486421/383390000.jpg

oayarc
March 25, 2010, 02:01 PM
I am in a near identical situation as the TC, would a taurus 627 4" tracker be a nice concealable non snubbie? Taurus list it as a compact frame, does that mean much?

SwordRapier
March 25, 2010, 02:02 PM
Cocked and Locked

that is one snazzy looking gun. I think I might be in love. Stupid gun porn.

Hey if it goes bang chances are I'll like it.

wlewisiii
March 25, 2010, 02:47 PM
I carry a S&W Model 64 4" in a Maxexpidition Jumbo EDC bag. 18 rounds of Buffalo Bore 158 gr LSCWHP +P will do anything I expect to need it to do.

William

Confederate
March 25, 2010, 03:02 PM
What's a snubbie?

A 3-inch Ruger Speed-Six or a 2.75-inch Security-Six is pretty impressive in power and size. You might have quite a search for the former, but any Smith or Ruger would work.

A Model 10 would also be nice, but being able to stoke a gun with .357 is advisable for road trips and outdoor strolls where big animals might be a problem.

Bear 45/70
March 25, 2010, 03:03 PM
I've carried everything from a full size 1911 (5") to mouse guns. I finally settled on guns in the 2 1/2" to 4" barrel length and was recently forced to go totally revolver. I how carry either a Charter Arms Bulldog "PUG" in 44 Special or one of my Taurus'. Either the 415 or the 425 both in 41 Magnum in which I carry reduced loads. At one time I carried a S&W 586, 4" and concealment issues are way over exaggerated as 98% of the people won't even see your gun if you Open Carry.

Charter Arms Bulldog
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Taurus 415
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Taurus 425
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savit260
March 25, 2010, 09:04 PM
Genaric answer. 4" K frame.

Personaly, I prefer a nice Colt. A 4" Police Positve Special would make a great carry revolver.

ccsniper
March 25, 2010, 09:12 PM
I think a smith 64 is the right way to go. J&G has some police trade in for good money

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/smith-wesson/revolver/p/smith-wesson-model-64-38spl-stainless-steel%2C-bobbed-hammer-very-good-condition/cPath/16_211_431/products_id/2441

W.E.G.
March 25, 2010, 09:40 PM
+1 for the currently-dirt-cheap Model 64.

Fobus paddle holster is cheap and good.

158 grain Semi-wadcutter hollowpoint ammo

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/DSCN6450smaller.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/Fobuspaddleholster-SmithandWessonK-.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/MPDammopouch.jpg

Trebor
March 25, 2010, 10:13 PM
My recommendation is a Smith & Wesson "K" frame revolver in .38 Special or .357 Magnum.

For a concealed carry revolver check out the 3" barrel guns. This is a compromise between the standard 4" barrel and the snub 2" barrel. The 3" barrel guns shoot well and conceal well.

Look for a Model 10 (.38 Special, but harder to find in 3"), Model 13, or Model 65. The Model 65 is a .357, but you can still shoot .38 Specials so you don't *have* to shoot Magnum loads. The 65 is also stainless steel, which is nice for a carry gun. It's what I carry.

Rexster
March 25, 2010, 11:25 PM
Another recommendation for the 4" S&W Model 64 revolvers that seem to be plentiful lately.

As for new guns, the 3.06"-barreled SP101 is a great little package that is longer than a snubbie. Mine is .357 mag; the new .327 Federal version is available.

My "Holy Grail" is a 4" S&W Model 19, pre-keyhole, now discontinued, of course, when I can manage to find a good one. I very much regret selling the two I used to own, during a consolidation/thinning in the mid-to-late-1990's, when I was deeply into 1911 pistols.

Also on the pre-owned market, the Ruger Security Six, Service Six, and Speed Six, are nice. The Speed Six is a bit of a cult item, and therefore neither common nor cheap, if in good condition. My 4" Speed Six is not for sale, for any reasonable amount of money. It would take six or seven Benjamin Franklins to even tempt me.

The GP100 is a great sixgun, but its greater weight and bulk are probably not worth it unless a guy likes shooting magnums. I do shoot magnums, so the GP100 is good for me.

BullfrogKen
March 26, 2010, 12:46 AM
A 3 inch revolver will do a lot for you. You'll find it quite versatile and it'll carry very well.

3" Colts are very tough to find.
3" Smiths can be found, and they often command a premium over the same model with a 4" barrel.
3" Rugers are still in production, and don't carry the collector premium of the Smith & Wessons. A 3" model in the Six series (Speed/Service/Security) would serve you well as your first "business" gun. Even if you find something you like better later on down the road, I doubt you'll ever get rid of it. And if you do, you'll probably find yourself regretting you did.

BOOM-BOOM
March 26, 2010, 07:21 PM
I have two 357's both are taurus. one is a mod 617ss 2 1/2 and the other is a mod 627 mat.ss 4"....

I carry them both, no problem with concealment....

gordy
March 26, 2010, 07:35 PM
I would have to say a S&W m65 in a 3inch with a round butt. I love mine and you can go from 38 to 357 in a moment.
Or a S&W m10 in a four inch. You have to like them. How could you not?

Radagast
March 26, 2010, 07:38 PM
Another recommendation for a three inch gun. Have a look at the S&W Model 60 with adjustable sights and a three inch barrel.
If you are willing to buy second hand then a s&W Model 13 or Model 66 with a three inch barrel will serve you well.

content
March 26, 2010, 08:42 PM
Hello friends and neighbors // Plus 1 for the Model 60, 1st choice if not a snubbie.

I'll also plus 1 on the 3" sp101 if you want new.
I'll also plus one on any of the Ruger Sixes either 3" or 4" (once you get tired of looking for a 3" go ahead and get a 4" LOL) If mostly target get the Security Six if mostly carry get the Speed Six.

You get the 357 or 38 option with outstanding durability in each of these revolvers.

savit260
March 26, 2010, 08:43 PM
I think 3" still falls under "snubby", or at least "borderline snubby", in my opinion.

Bear 45/70
March 26, 2010, 08:53 PM
I always thought the 2 1/2" was the break point for a snubbie.

Rexster
March 26, 2010, 08:57 PM
A 3" revolver, with hand-filling grips, "acts" much more like a service-sized revolver than a mere snubby. Near-snub, perhaps, but somewhere around to 2.5" is the borderline, in my humble opinion.

For a while in the 1980's, I had a square-butt 3" bull-barrel S&W Model 60, and a 2" round-butt tapered-barrel S&W Model 60. The difference in performance between the two was dramatic. I could "qual" on my agency's qual course with the longer Model 60 much more like I shot with a 4" N-frame duty sixgun. Of course, the better-sized grip frame and grips did play a part.

I still need to get out and shoot my 2.25" and new 3.06" SP101 snubbies more, to better test this belief. This will at least factor out the grip difference that existed with my Model 60 fiveguns.

oneounceload
March 26, 2010, 09:00 PM
Another vote for 3" - there's always the 547 3" in 9mm, otherwise something to handle 38+P will also work very nicely

MCgunner
March 27, 2010, 08:08 AM
You say you don't like snubbies, but they are the CCW specialist revolvers. Carrying a 4" is not always possible and if I'm going to be an armed citizen, I'm going to be armed 24/7. As such, I have a variety of firearms and, yes, I have autos. My autos are proven to me. They run 100 percent and I can clear 'em if not, but they never fail if properly fed.

But, nixing the auto and the snubby, how about a 3" gun? It's on the same snubby frame sometimes, sometimes on a medium frame like a M66 Smith or Taurus, but medium frame gun. I have the Taurus, the 3" Smith being rather rare and expensive. 2.5" K frames are easier to find, but I wanted the 3" and it really is an easier gun to carry than a 4" and a lot easier to shoot than a 2" J frame. It strikes a happy medium.

Now, in lieu of the 3" K frame, how's about a 3" Ruger SP101? I had the 2.3" version and it was very accurate. The 3" is only easier to shoot due to the extra sight radius. The SP101 is heavier than a J frame, but lighter than a K frame and thinner with the 5 shot cylinder which makes it ride better IWB, less lumpy. You can get it in .327 Magnum if you're afraid of bigger, but bare in mind that you can shoot .38 special loads in any .357 magnum and if you WANT to shoot the mags, you have the choice. Some of the better loads in .38 special are very good fight stoppers and they're mild to shoot compared to the full power magnums. There are light magnums out there, too. The variety of loads will be from very mild to very wild if you get a .357, everything from light 148 grain .38 wadcutter target loads to full power 180 grain Buffalo Bore magnum bear stoppers.

I suggest that the Ruger 3" SP101 should top your list, just going by your post. It's a very easy gun to shoot due to its weight, yet very easy to carry due to its compact size. Put a Hogue grip on it and it's wonderful in the hand and at handling recoil, yet its round butt design hides very well on the belt. Of the guns I see suggested, too, the Ruger is the strongest, toughest little lump of steel. It'll be shooting into the next century. K frames are rather fragile in places like the flat bottomed forcing cone (had a forcing cone split on a K frame in the past) and I never was that enamored with the hammer mounted firing pins. I much prefer the rugged Ruger transfer bar system and floating frame mounted firing pin. When Ruger came out with the Six series, they had a display at the SHOT shows with a machine dry firing a Six over and over and over, just to show how rugged the guns are. The SP101 is a stronger gun than the Six series, too, better lock up, and in my experience, better accuracy, though that varies gun to gun. My Security Six never impressed me with accuracy. The SP101, 2.3" barrel and all, was more accurate with any .38 load and almost as accurate with heavy magnums. The Six was a 4" gun.

fluffi
March 27, 2010, 08:27 AM
If the reason u hate snubs is the feel in yor hand,most modern revolvers can have alot of different grips on them,including full size.The weight is not yor friend when carrying all day.And dont believe the myth that short barrels cant b accurate.I own a 4" model 66,a 2 1/2" security six,but i carry my model 37 snub.It weighs 14 oz.The other 2 are like 34oz i believe.

savit260
March 27, 2010, 10:40 AM
Seeing as a 3" revolver isn't going to be a pocket revolver, I'm again going to go against the conventional wisdom of the thread here. We're now talking a "belt gun" . I just don't see a 3" revolver being any easier to carry than a 4" with a good IWB holster (unless you are small in stature, then that inch might make a difference) . A compact 6 shot .38 special, like or similar to a Colt Police Positive Special would seem ideal, or the slightly larger ubiquitous K frame, or "six" series Ruger.

I guess that's why I sold my snub 19, because the 4" was no more difficult to carry , with the all the benifits of the longer sight radius.

Now 4" Colts ride where the 19 used to reside.

joed
March 27, 2010, 10:43 AM
It's tough to beat a S&W K frame for what you're suggesting, I have owned several. Never wanted a snubbie myself but for CCW I purchased a S&W 66 with 2.5" barrel. The range results were pretty interesting. I didn't expect good results from such a short barrel but the gun proved me wrong. This is now my favorite carry and I wouldn't get rid of it.

woodswalker2
March 27, 2010, 10:58 AM
I carry a GP100 4" . The only handgun I currently own . It's weight and bulk don't bother me . Maybe I'm just used to it . The only problem I have with it is trying to conceal it during the warm weather/summer . I'm saving up to buy a 3" SP101 .

RatDrall
March 27, 2010, 11:00 AM
Once you move to belt carry, specifically inside the waistband, a 4" barrel is better than a 2.5" barrel. Decent holster makers know how to use the longer barrel to provide leverage to push the butt of the gun into your side, using your belt as a fulcrum.

The only thing that really matters, when carrying a 3-4" revolver IWB, is the width of the cylinder. Again, for this, the 3" SP101 or 4" S&W K-frame are the best options due to their narrower cylinders.

At this moment I am wearing my 4" S&W Model 64 in a Blade Tech IWB with a 1.75" belt, experiencing zero discomfort. Later today we will hop in the car and ride a couple of hours, again with no discomfort. I might take a nap this afternoon, with zero discomfort. It isn't a big deal to carry a full sized revolver, so long as its done right (gun, holster, belt, attitude).

Rexster
March 27, 2010, 02:19 PM
Ratdrall: "Once you move to belt carry, specifically inside the waistband, a 4" barrel is better than a 2.5" barrel. Decent holster makers know how to use the longer barrel to provide leverage to push the butt of the gun into your side, using your belt as a fulcrum."

Indeed. I noticed this same thing as far back as the 1980's, with 4" and snubby-length versions of similar-framed sixguns, carried IWB. Same with 1911 pistols, too; the 5" versions were more comfortable IWB than even Commanders.

FWIW, I have a VERY comfortable Milt Sparks PMK, which is, of couse not IWB, that I use when I tote my 4" Speed Six. Heavenly! (It is actually made for a K-frame; Sparks does not catalog the PMK for the Speed Six, and neither I, nor Milt Sparks, will guarantee a proper fit when using a holster for which the rig was not made. A Security Six will NOT fit inside this particular holster.)

KennyC
March 27, 2010, 10:44 PM
First off, thanks for all the responses! Honestly, I never expected this many suggestions, but I'll take them. :)

I really do like the 3" barrels and don't consider them to be snubnosed. I also like the rounded butt, it seems like it would be easier to carry.

As it's easier to get info on new guns, that's mostly what I have researched thus far. I have to say that the SP101 is standing out for the new ones, but I have no problem buying used.

Anyway, I still have research to do, especially 'real-world' research where I need to get out and lay hands on these pistols, but keep the suggestions coming if you have them!

BullfrogKen
March 28, 2010, 01:00 AM
I doubt you'll be terribly unhappy with a 3" SP101. If you're looking new, that's probably going to be the easier one to come into.


After you get more comfortable knowing what you're looking at, you can begin your search for something used. I have no problems buying used. I don't always get what I'm looking at for one reason or another, but I own just as many used guns as I do new one. Sometimes what I want simply isn't manufactured anymore.

clang
March 28, 2010, 01:27 AM
S&W Model 60-10. It's got a 3" full lug barrel and adjustable sites. Looks like a mini 686.

The Model 36 was also made with a 3" barrel.

Colt Police Special is a 4" barrel version of the Detective Special (technically, I think the Dick Special is the 2" version of the PPS). Very light and concealable.

3" S&W Model 65, it heavier, but a good choice.

Nick5182
March 28, 2010, 01:32 AM
My dad's CCW is a Smith and Wesson 625 Mountain Gun, 4", 6-shot, DA/SA, .45 Colt.

BullfrogKen
March 28, 2010, 01:39 AM
clang,

Three of those guns you mentioned are no longer produced, and a 3" Model 65 demands a high premium right now.


I wouldn't send someone new to guns off to try to find something from the used market, especially something as desireable as a 3" Model 65.

GRIZ22
March 28, 2010, 05:23 AM
I carry a 4" K frame size revolver on a regular basis. As far as your size goes you can conceal anything if you dress for it. I carried 4" K frames since I was you size (haven't gotten any taller) and see no problems there. There's a ton of them out there new and used S&W, Taurus, and Ruger Speed Six. I like stainless for a carry gun as you needn't worry about the finish so much.

jad0110
March 28, 2010, 10:28 AM
The only thing that really matters, when carrying a 3-4" revolver IWB, is the width of the cylinder. Again, for this, the 3" SP101 or 4" S&W K-frame are the best options due to their narrower cylinders.

True. Though I still carry 3" and shorter guns frequently, simply because they are usually equipped with easier to conceal round butts. And they are a hair more comfortable if sitting a lot. And as for the cylinder width, I agree as well. I really don't find much difference between the 5 shot J Frame and Ruger SP, so I carry 6 shooters IWB, but YMMV.

Actually, given time to acclimate and really good quality gear (like a Lobo Gunleather IWB holster and a Beltman 1.5" bullhide belt), a 4" N Frame like my S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman in .357 Magnum is possible, though it is not my most frequently carried gun. I carry it when I can though because I shoot this particular gun better than just about any gun I own. Plus, the intimidation factor, though certainly not to be counted on, might be a bit higher with the big blue N Frame than a little S&W 642 :evil: .


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Gear/DSC07503.jpg


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Gear/DSC07512.jpg


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20Model%2028%20357%20Magnum/DSC07913.jpg


More often though, I carry my 4" Ruger Police Service Six in .357 Magnum in a FIST #20 IWB holster. I paid only $275 for this gun, and it carries very comfortably. It is very accurate in my hands too, though not quite as natural as my M28.


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Ruger%20Service%20Six%20357%20Magnum/DSC07863.jpg


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Gear/RugerSix2.jpg


As for 3" guns, I really like my S&W Model 13. I paid $450 for mine 6 months ago, including the original box and papers. That price may have been a little high at the time, but I'm seeing (online) a number of 3" 13s breeching the $500 threshold these days. I've not started carrying it yet, but I'll use a K Frame FIST #20 when I do. Like others, I don't consider 3" K frames snubs as they have a full length ejector rod. As stated earlier, the compact round butt makes the gun extremely easy to conceal, even with just a white T-Shirt.


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20Model%2013%20357%20Magnum/DSC07829.jpg


4" .38s are another option:

Model 10: Fixed sights, blue
15: Adj sights, blue
64: fixed sights, stainless
67: adj sights, stainless


I own a 4" Model 15 that I paid $309 for about a year ago. I carried it pretty frequently up until the time I purchased and proved my Service Six to be reliable. It has since been living in my safe more often, but I still carry it every now and then. I like guns with holster worn finishes, but this one is close to mint and I think I'd lke to keep it that way.


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20Model%2015%204%20inch%2038%20Special/DSC08116.jpg



With the exception of the Model 28, all of the above pictured guns can be carried with reasonable comfort by most individuals. The 28 does take more patience, and one probably ought to get used to carrying a medium frame gun for a while first. For me, the 28 is simply too accurate (in my hands) not to carry. :)

Guess that means I'll be looking for a 4" N frame with a caliber starting in "4" before long :evil: .

MCgunner
March 28, 2010, 10:59 AM
IWB, an SP101 is much more comfy (narrower under the belt and lighter) than any K frame I've ever tried to carry. I don't like 4" barrels, either. I'd have to wear a shirt down to my knees to cover it up OWB and IWB it just rides too far down and slows the draw that much more. It is amazing how much better a 3" gun works for me than a 4" and I'm not vertically challenged.

Truth be told, I really like 2" alloy snubs like the 642 or Taurus Ultralites for carry. I shoot well with them and .38 +P is plenty hot enough for self defense. The smaller gun will be there all day. I'll be tempted to leave the bigger gun at home. Belt guns are special carries in my collection, not suited for all day carry, never will be. Everyone has different jobs and different daily habits, though. When I'm rolling around under a tractor repairing or attaching something, I don't want a gun on my belt. If I walked upright all day and never bent over or laid down or squatted to do something, perhaps wore a business suit, it might be different.

MCgunner
March 28, 2010, 11:07 AM
BTW, I carried a Kel Tec P11 for the last week 24/7 and decided to carry my new to me Polish Radom P64 today, 9mm Makarov, since I tested it yesterday. I like this thing, very accurate and reliable. The revolver in my pocket rotation is a Taurus M85SSUL and I carry it quite a lot, especially if I have a belt gun on as a primary. The same .38+Ps will work in both guns, common reload, reloads carried in speed strips. Makes sense to me, anyway.

GoHerdGreg
March 28, 2010, 12:21 PM
How important is the "concealed" part to you? To me, it is the driving factor.

Cylinder thickness is the key dimension here (as noted above).

I carry a Ruger LCR (I know you don't like snubbies) for all of the above reasons. The cylinder is very slim (5 shots, fluted). The overall length and weight of the gun is very nice.

.38 special with medium loads (I reload) makes it a joy to practice with at the range. Factory loads are very snappy, but not uncontrollable or violent.

It even fits in a pocket holster. I hope you find the ONE that works for you.

Bear 45/70
March 28, 2010, 12:46 PM
How important is the "concealed" part to you? To me, it is the driving factor.

Cylinder thickness is the key dimension here (as noted above).

I carry a Ruger LCR (I know you don't like snubbies) for all of the above reasons. The cylinder is very slim (5 shots, fluted). The overall length and weight of the gun is very nice.

.38 special with medium loads (I reload) makes it a joy to practice with at the range. Factory loads are very snappy, but not uncontrollable or violent.

It even fits in a pocket holster. I hope you find the ONE that works for you.
If "concealed" to you means no one can tell then you will never achieve your goal. An expert will KNOW from the way you stand and move. In the real world I will not give up stopping power for conceal-ability, ever. Then again if I could shoot like my wife doe,s I would be satisfied with a 38 or a whimpy 9. Since that is not gonna happen, I carry a Big Bore handgun. On top of that, in the last few years I've gone to Open Carry and still over 98% of the people never see the damn thing on my hip, and that includes the stainless 4" Taurus in a slide. Oh and recently the wife went back to a 38 Special, an LCR was her choice (as always it is her choice). The first time she fired it, she put all 5 rounds in a 5" center of mass group, they just got tighter from there.

Nushif
March 28, 2010, 03:12 PM
A three inch Detective Special would probably fit that bill.

clang
March 29, 2010, 10:10 AM
sorry, duplicate post

clang
March 29, 2010, 10:16 AM
clang,

Three of those guns you mentioned are no longer produced, and a 3" Model 65 demands a high premium right now.


I wouldn't send someone new to guns off to try to find something from the used market, especially something as desireable as a 3" Model 65.
I forget that not everyone has owned guns as long as I have (or been to as many gun shows). It's been a long time since I have even considered buying a new gun, because a good used gun is a much better value. There were a bunch of 3" 65 trade ins being sold less than a year ago for much less than the price of a new gun. They were snatched up pretty quick.

But, if in doubt, go the new route - S&W Customer Service is outstanding, I would recommened looking at almost anything from them (if you can stand the lock on new guns). Rugers are a good gun too, but they are a little chunkier than the Smiths. I have no actual experience with their CS.

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