Would you fire this gun?


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cowtown22
March 28, 2010, 09:28 AM
S&W model 27 -2 n.i.b. d.o.b. 1975 mint mint mint Thanks

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MrBorland
March 28, 2010, 09:49 AM
Depends...

If NIB means never fired, with box and papers...

and if it was a particularly hard-to-find gun, cost a pretty penny up front, but will likely appreciate in value...

and if I had other guns I shoot a lot (I do)...

and if I don't mind spending money on a gun that I'll never shoot...

...I probably wouldn't. YMMV, though.


This 27-2 sounds like a nice find, and many feel the M27 to be the quintessential .357, but I don't think it's a particularly rare gun. Tough call.

FoMoGo
March 28, 2010, 10:07 AM
Its a gun... its meant to be shot... I refuse to own a safe queen.


Jim

dfjaws
March 28, 2010, 10:14 AM
Either you own the gun or the gun owns you, I say shoot it! They're mean't to be shot. Even old guns. It's like firing a piece of history.

Iggy
March 28, 2010, 10:21 AM
Sell it on the S&W forum and have money to buy a shooter and ammo to boot.

SaxonPig
March 28, 2010, 11:01 AM
Yes. I shoot my guns. I have purchased numerous older guns that were unfired when I acquired them (including several Model 27s, BTW) and I have shot every one of them. I wasn't looking for unfired examples, I just happened to find them at my price.

I wouldn't shoot a collector gun if I paid collector price for it. Then again I would never pay collector price.

Old Fuff
March 28, 2010, 11:04 AM
Keep in mind that some of out members simply hate money. :what:

O maybe it's a case of just being dumb. :uhoh:

For longer them some of them have been alive the Old Fuff has been able to partly support his gun buying habit by knowing what to shoot, and what not to.

If it's really unfired, an older Smith & Wesson revolver, especially an N-frame, and extra especially if it's an early model 27 or pre-27.... well it's like money in the bank, and better - particularly at today’s interest rates.

In this case the 3 1/2 and 5 inch barrel lengths are especially popular, and draw the most $$$$$. A box with papers and accessories will add substantially, but not having them won't reduce the basic value of the gun.

If you watch the larger collector auctions (and I don't mean ones like Gunbroker or Guns America) you would know, as I do, that classic and antique high quality guns are going through the roof - even in the present down economy.

Shooting a perfect unfired collectable will reduce it's value, and it's the collectors - not the I-shoot-everything-I-got crowd that have the desire, and big bucks to pay for what they want.

On the other hand if what ever you have has already been used or shot some, the extra-high value of an unfired/unused piece is gone, and shooting it a bit more won't decrease the value enough to matter so long as the additional use is only occasional.

As for shooting antiques - using current smokeless cartridges in what was made to shoot black powder can reduce a valuable collectable to scrap, and if you break a spring or some other part, finding a replacement and a qualified gunsmith to fix it will likely prove to be expensive, and without a fix the value is substantially diminished.

On the other hand since I know how to repair some of these older guns I've taken some of the I-had-to-shoot-it-'cus-it-was-made-to-shoot guys to the cleaners after I bought the remains on-the-cheap because they had too do what they had too do.... :evil:

So do what you want. But keep in mind that they're two kinds of people. Those that always buy what they have out-of-pocket, and those that buy using profits from what they buy. I'm way too smart to shoot everything I've got.
;)

MCgunner
March 28, 2010, 11:11 AM
I don't own guns to look at. If it was worth a lot of money and I picked it up cheap, I'd sell it and buy something I could shoot. JMHO.

Old Fuff
March 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
Obviously MCgunner doesn't hate money.... :D

Yup' that was my point. If you buy something that isn't a particularly good shooter (or maybe even is) for the right price and then turn around and make money on the transaction you can go out and buy a better "shooter," or whatever.

If you do something to reduce the value of the first purchase (such as shooting a mint/perfect collectable) you likely can't. :scrutiny: ;)

Old Fuff
March 28, 2010, 11:44 AM
Recently while watching a collector's auction I watched a gentleman pay over $1,200.00 for a Smith & Wesson pre-war Military & Police .38 revolver. :what:

There was nothing exceptional about it except it was in "like new" condition.

Would I pay that price to get that gun? No way!!!

But if I had one I sure would sell it for that! :evil:

natman
March 28, 2010, 12:03 PM
Not if it is indeed NIB. Either keep it as an investment or sell it to a collector and buy a good used one to shoot. Put the difference in your pocket.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=162329948
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=162136171

19-3Ben
March 28, 2010, 12:19 PM
Depends...

If NIB means never fired, with box and papers...

and if it was a particularly hard-to-find gun, cost a pretty penny up front, but will likely appreciate in value...

and if I had other guns I shoot a lot (I do)...

and if I don't mind spending money on a gun that I'll never shoot...

...I probably wouldn't. YMMV, though.


This.

I'd keep it as an investment and by an old Security Six for $300 as a shooter.

Carl N. Brown
March 28, 2010, 12:27 PM
I am happy with my ~$300 Security Six shooting iron/nighttable gun with a few scratches and dings.

I would not be happy with a pristine NIB I was afraid to shoot. Besides, every gun has been fired, even if only as test at the factory.

sagebrushjim
March 28, 2010, 01:22 PM
Guns are Like Women and Trucks -- Meant to Enjoy and if You Put a Few Miles on Them and Maintain Them Properly You Have No Problems ...... Ride it, Drive it and Shoot it !!!!!

sw282
March 28, 2010, 02:31 PM
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9324134

I won this a couple months back. It truly never has been fired outside the factory. As evidenced by every other cylinder charred by factory test firing. Have a box and papers for it. sn puts it in the mid 60's. Its gonna get shot. Like cars and women. Gonna be enjoyed. Not just looked at. It will be well cared for. After 3000 rds the nickel will still shine. No nicks in the wood. The only sign of wear will be a cylinder ring. I say all this because I have others that have been treated the same and look like they did when I got them years before

rcmodel
March 28, 2010, 02:58 PM
Yes.

If it was a 1910 Colt SAA worth $5,000+ I might not.
But it isn't.

It's a really nice S&W, and I would shoot it as I have both a NIB 1967 Model 36 and a NEB 1958 Model 34 I found in the last couple of years.

rc

Vonderek
March 28, 2010, 03:30 PM
Is there really such a thing as "unfired"? I thought all guns were test fired at the factory before shipping.

MCgunner
March 28, 2010, 03:41 PM
If I could just go back in time with a wad of cash before the movie "Dirty Harry" came out. :D But, I don't manage my own IRA for a reason.....:scrutiny:

cottonmouth
March 28, 2010, 04:26 PM
You could take a picture of it, frame it and then send me the 27, I'll shoot it!!

J.B.

Supertac45
March 28, 2010, 06:34 PM
I'd hang onto it unfied for another 10 or so years. Money. Buy another used for shooting.

Oro
March 28, 2010, 06:57 PM
I'm way too smart to shoot everything I've got.

I may be accused of trying to ride Old Fuff's coattails here, but that's my sentiment. I have a few ANIB guns and I don't shoot them. But I also have duplicates of them I do shoot. Is my blued steel ANIB S&W 19 going to shoot differently than my nickel one? No. Why lop a few hundred off its value? Ditto with several Colts.

If you want a shooter, buy a shooter. If you want ANIB, buy that and leave it that way. If you can buy ANIB at a "shooter" price, then do so. Then either keep it as is or sell and buy two shooters with the profit.

I won this a couple months back. It truly never has been fired outside the factory.

Nickel N frames are lovely. And that was a great deal. I also like that seller; I have a few guns I bought from them. My favorite Colt Series '70 "shooter" came from them a few years back. I don't go back and check their inventory often enough.

NG VI
March 28, 2010, 07:24 PM
I'm the opposite of FoMoGo.

I refuse to shoot any gun I own.

Phydeaux642
March 28, 2010, 08:57 PM
Its a gun... its meant to be shot... I refuse to own a safe queen.

A coin is just money. It's meant to be spent.

A stamp is just a stamp. Put it on a letter and mail it.

A flame maple 1959 Les Paul is just a guitar. Let your buddies play it at the weekend bbq.

Etc.

If you own it, do what you want with it. If I had a truly NIB older 27 I would probably leave it that way and find something else to shoot for fun.

Guns are Like Women and Trucks -- Meant to Enjoy and if You Put a Few Miles on Them and Maintain Them Properly You Have No Problems


WOW!:what:

OldCavSoldier
March 29, 2010, 12:52 AM
Buy another new production M27 and shoot the new one. Leave the old one as an investment.

Just my opinion, and you know how good they are......

...that being said, I have shot and still shoot every handgun I own. Sometimes it is a year or so before one may come up in the rotation, but, they are all shooters. The only investment grade gun I own is a near-NIB 28 ga Parker VHE I inherited......

captain awesome
March 29, 2010, 03:47 AM
If I already had it, probably. If I didn't, I wouldn't buy it, and get something else, a used one of the same thing and fire that instead. its too tempting, owning a gun, and never putting rounds through it.

I could see it now, the gun staring up at me with those puppy dog gun eyes begging me to take it to the range every time I open the safe. I am weak. Women have the same effect on me:D

springfield30-06
March 29, 2010, 09:45 AM
I say shoot it, clean it and properly take care of it and it will be more gratifying than just letting it sit there looking pretty!

X-Rap
March 29, 2010, 10:49 AM
If I had a truly NIB gun that was over 30 yrs old I would leave it that way. I don't lack things to shoot and do have a few safe queens and that doesn't make me loose any sleep at all.

Elvishead
March 30, 2010, 05:44 AM
I think you should DBA, and FTR it before you shoot it. IMHO!:uhoh:

chriske
March 30, 2010, 10:28 AM
I'd have a narrow serrated trigger fitted to it & shoot the hell out of it DA-wise.

JimPGov
March 30, 2010, 11:02 AM
Shoot it. It's like having a playboy centerfold girl for a wife and not sleeping with her. It's not a nun. Jp

Guillermo
March 30, 2010, 11:13 AM
you rarely go wrong listening to Old Fluff or Oro.

Instead of thinking about it monetarily, think of the 27 as a gun multiplier.

It is one gun (a very nice one) if you shoot it. It is two or three (dare I say four?) guns down the road if you don't.

Or to use JimP's analogy, it is a playboy centerfold now...it is a harem in the future.

Maj Dad
March 30, 2010, 10:00 PM
Make a collector's day, and let him/her trade you a shooter exactly like you want for the pristine item. I had a friend who collected some incredible finds over the years in rural Georgia, and who would not entertain any offers whatsoever. He never shot them, and took an electro-pencil & scribed his SSAN on the sides of every one. Winchester 76, 92, 1895, Smiths, Lugers, Parkers doubles, the nausea returns... But the point is, collectors want to keep them and the rest of us like to shoot them. They will pay big bucks for the collectibles, and we can pay fair shooter prices and everyone's happy. Shooting an unfired example is like scratching your name on it when you could make money & have a shooter, or buy two shooters for the one. Dos centavos mios...

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