[Amish]

I know that you can get the semi-auto SAW, but why doesn't FN sell the F2000, which is manufactured here, to the civilian market? I sure would like one.

[natedog]

since when can you get a semi-auto SAW?

[Amish]

Ta-da!!! http://www.urban-armory.com/justin.htm

Only $8,500, but good luck getting one into Cali. Maybe time to move?

[natedog]

i had no idea...well with the fn2000 i believe it is still in prototype stages, plus it has a 14" barrel (not many want to go through SBR troubles)

[c_yeager]

That site is also selling HK91 mags for a meer $55. What a great deal!

[Schuey2002]

plus it has a 14" barrel
The Fn Herstal website lists the barrel length at 15.75 in. (400mm) long.. ;)

[greenmountaingear]

15.75 still misses the mark and would be a SBR :)
I would imagine FN is just worried about military contracts...too much to worry about us lowly civies and some toys.

Would be darn cool to get one though!

[Kharn]

Are you guys talking about the the F2000:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/f2000_1.jpg
or the M249/FN-Minimi/SAW:
http://world.guns.ru/machine/fn_minimi_m249.jpg
?
FN couldnt sell the M249 to civilians because its open bolt, and the ATF considers all new open-bolt firearms to be machine guns.

Kharn

[gun-fucious]

theres prolly a few issues with the FN2000 that might get resolved on September 14th
that make it easier to manufacture for civilian sales IF the AWB goes away.

why bother engineering a 10 round magazine if you can sell a 30 next year?

I really hope we can get this technology into civilian hands
cause the second amendment become meaningless
if we only have the "right to bear" antique designs.

[Skunkabilly]

I'm gonna be Sam Fisher for next Halloween :D

[Badger Arms]

Hmmmm, why would one want that gun? I'm under the impression that this isn't in production yet, but could be wrong on that one. Making it civilian legal would require several hoops. Gotta take off the flash suppressor, add a little length to the barrel, and redesign the bolt carrier, trigger mechanism, and receiver so that they are different and unique compared to the full-auto version. Then you have to get the BATFE engaged and wait for them to approve it for import. If, and that's a big if, they approve it, you must tool-up for the modified gun and begin production. I don't think think that many people are chomping at the bit for a $2,000 gun that does nothing more than an Aug or M17 does. I'd like to see the civilian version of the Tavor succeed first.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=624638

[JShirley]

Yummy. Piston, or gas?

[Harry Tuttle]

barrett was looking at the importing of Tavors last year
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/civi.htm

FN could make FN2000s in south carolina

[Number 6]

why bother engineering a 10 round magazine if you can sell a 30 next year?

The F2000 is STANAG compatible, meaning that it will accept any AR or M16 magazine. I just wish HK and Sig would do the same.

[c_yeager]

Does anyone know the overal length of the FN2000? Im thinking that might be a bigger problem than the barrel length. Anyone know offhand what the minimul OAL is for a semiautomatic rifle?

[russlate]

IIRC, minimum length needs to be over 26" to comply with NFA regs.

[max popenker]

FN F2000 stats:

Caliber: 5.56x45 mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 694 mm (27.3")
Barrel length: 400 mm (15.7")
Weigth: 3.6 kg empty, in standard configuration (7.9 lbs)
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds (any NATO / STANAG type magazines)

more on F2000 (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as41-e.htm)

And i must correct myself: the details of the forward ejection system of F2000 are well clear now; and it is now being tested by several european armies, AFAIK in Norway and possibly Belgium itself

[Badger Arms]

Okay, everybody, I don't like to repeat what I've said earlier, but here's a picture and a quote from The Firing Line:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=954751

"I was thoroughly UNimpressed. The gun has an ejection TUBE that sends brass through a slot near the muzzle. The trip takes the round about 18" up and out the right side of the weapon. I guess the designer of these weapons is a VERY bitter lefty. Same guy who designed the P90.

"Here's what I see right and wrong with the gun... academically of course as I've never handled one. First, what happens WHEN the gun jams? How many things can go wrong with this complex, convoluted, and hairbrained system. There's absolutely no access to the clockwork operating mechanism. The grip on the P90 is bad enough, they've just upscaled it. As far as a civilian market for the thing, it's probably not going to happen from a logistics point of view. It takes years to tool up for and begin producing a weapon as complex as this one. That's just in Belgium. Imagine trying to duplicate all of the tooling so that the parts interchange and meet the Quality Control standards at two separate plants!

"This is much easier to do with a weapon like the AK-47 or FAL which have no plastic or advanced materials in them. Much harder to do on this scale. Who's going to pay $1500 to $2000 for one of these things too? You'd have to sell 20,000 or so to make it worth while. I doubt that would happen when you can get a pre-ban Aug for a little more."