Sexist Gunshops ...-


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axeman_g
November 24, 2003, 02:34 PM
The Racist Gunshop thread made me remember a very funny moment in my life .. I thought I would share it. This story does not really fit with the Racist line, so I started a new thread.

One very rainy Saturday afternoon while I was in college at UGA, I was sitting around the cottage with my roomates girlfriend, Jane (named changed), shooting the breaze and probably recovering from a hangover. A little background on the "Jane", she was a Criminology Major, planning to go on to a pathology career, kenpo trained, loved firearms. She had just returned from her second internship with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation at the Federal Training Facility (FBI, ATF, US Marshall) in Brunswick Georgia. A very capable, dangerous and slim hottie we called her. She introduced me to the wonders of Asps and batons.

She says "lets go look at guns at F%^&%%^*". This is a large shop in the Athens, Georgia area. We go on over and I am looking at GP100s, and Rugers. She is standing at the counter looking at the cases, and nobody, I mean nobody will help her. There are 4 or 5 guys waliing behind that counter waiting on everyone else, all males, but her. If I had been behind the counter I would have jumped at the chance to help her and possibly get a number ...

Anyway, she starts getting pissed and I walked over and asked if she wanted to leave. She says "NO ... watch this." The next guy that walks near her she politely gets his attention, some persistence was needed. She asks to see a Springfield .45 on then top shelf. The salesman, a younger version of his good old boy daddy, gingerly takes the gun out, lays it on the counter and starts the verbal diarhea about how powerful that guns is, and how in his HO she would be happier with a smaller caliber. Jane proceeds to EXPERTLY strip the Springfield into all it pieces.

"You know," she says in a little southern accent, " Springfield should really start using one piece solid alloy guide rods instead of two piece steel one." (or something like that ..I did not really understand it at the time). She then quickly and expertly puts the SA back together racks the slide and hands it grip first to the now stunned, mouth agape young republican frat, redneck boy. And waltzes her little tush out away.

As we walked out, I put my arm around her ... and gave the sales staff a look that said " yeah ... thats my girl ... and she could really hurt me if I ever give her a reason" and away we went , laughing the entire time.

How about it .. especially the ladies ... ever had trouble at the Gunshop or range that is funny ... I am actually pretty sure itn happend more time then we guys would like to think.

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cameroneod
November 24, 2003, 02:57 PM
Its a constant pain in the @@@ to go gun shopping with my wife.She knows more about firearms than most of the people in the shop and they still treat her like a dumb, breakable woman. It is funny to watch her make them look like idiots though. :D

4v50 Gary
November 24, 2003, 03:00 PM
I would have loved to have seen it. :)

George Hill
November 24, 2003, 03:04 PM
Yeah, but did you get her number and a new roommate? :scrutiny:

JimJD
November 24, 2003, 03:06 PM
Wow! That's great!
Does she have a sister!? :D

Some of my female family members have been through that stuff too.
But they can shoot the magnums just as good or better than some of us in the family!

Ol' Badger
November 24, 2003, 03:14 PM
They let wimmin in Gun Shops?

Just Kidding

:neener: :neener: :neener:

axeman_g
November 24, 2003, 03:35 PM
my roomate dumped her a few months later .. he cound not handle her personal strength. She ended up marrying another guy that is a big martial arts fan. They train together ... A nice match.

I already had my SO when this happened. We just had not figured it out yet.

Axe

harpethriver
November 24, 2003, 04:04 PM
A few years ago I received a phone call from a female friend asking if I could refer her to a good gunshop. She was looking for a local gunsmith as well as considering a self-defense shotgun-Remington 870 I believe. Being from out of state she was not familiar with any gun shops in Tennessee. I referred her to a shop near her home that I did most of my business with. A few days later she called again to ask if I would go to the shop with her because they wouldn't give her the time of day. Little did these idiots know she was a better shot and hunter than any of them. She has a recorded buck kill that's in the top 25 all-time in the state she was hunting in. So I called the shop, told them I was bringing in this person to do business with them. We drove to the shop seperately. Ya should've seen the jaws drop when I walked in the door with with this very attractive 30 something brunette(who is also very intelligent AND is a massage therapist), and introduced her as "the buck killer I told you guys about." These guys caught on quick though because once they stopped drooling and came to their senses every guy in the shop and the staff were trying to help her all at once. By the way guys she's single.......

Beren
November 24, 2003, 04:07 PM
Reminds me of the time I ran into an extremely attractive, intelligent, and /TALL/ (very important!) R.N. at an area range one weekday evening. Spent about an hour shooting with her and talking firearms, then discovered as she left that she had just married the previous week! Nooooooooo!

The gunshop I usually frequent treats women as promptly and respectfully as they do men. Every place I visit varies in their attitude, but I have yet to find one that was more rude towards women than men. Even the bad ones in my area are gender-blind when it comes to neglecting customers - they treat us all with equally poor service and a smirk. ;)

buzz_knox
November 24, 2003, 04:12 PM
young republican frat, redneck boy

Explain to me how in opposing discriminatory attitudes of one type, you feel justified in engaging in the same behavior? Or am I too much of a republican redneck to understand?

Raistlin
November 24, 2003, 04:25 PM
... look at guns at F%^&%%^*". This is a large shop in the Athens, Georgia area.

Tell ya somethin' axeman - the troglodites at that shop haven't improved since y'all were in there. If anything, they've fossilized more over the years. I use the range next door, but it's been quite some time since I darkened that gunshop's door.

jade
November 24, 2003, 04:36 PM
this is one of the reasons i hate going to new gun shops or asking questions at gun shows. there is no need to tell me what i need and why you think i need it. there are certain gun stores that i won't buy from because of some of the comments or "suggestions" made. i may be female, but my money is just as good.

jade

JohnKSa
November 24, 2003, 10:48 PM
Down here women don't get treated the same, but they tend to get attention.

When a woman walks into a gunshop, the owners tend to figure they're not there to shop, they're there to buy and they're all over them.

The down side is that they figure that they know nothing about guns and will say anything to get a sale--moreso than with guys, IMO.

Could be different in different shops, but's that's the way it's been in the shops I frequent.

Jammer Six
November 24, 2003, 11:03 PM
Her Highness and I dive.

What isn't obvious is that we met on a dive boat, when I was on about my twentieth dive, and She had well over 200. We actually started out as dive buddies, and then things got completely out of hand.

Now we have close to 400 dives together, but I've learned not to forget exactly who taught who how to dive.

One of the fastest, surest ways to make us both mad, and to get us to leave your dive shop, is for a dive shop employee to listen to Her ask a question, and then turn to me, and tell me the answer.

She is a PhD, Princeton, no less. She is the real diver. I'm just the guy She allows to carry the tanks, who She hopes someday will learn enough to be a real diver.

Part of me is glad She's an anti, because I'd hate to see what would happen in a gun shop...

Standing Wolf
November 24, 2003, 11:59 PM
A knowledgeable, pleasant, polite young woman works in one of my local gun shops, and handled a transfer for me last week.

axeman_g
November 25, 2003, 12:11 AM
but if that comment offended you ... maybe you know the guy?

Cmon ... most of the southern members of THR have seen this kid ... he usually drives some cool SUV with Duck Unlimited stickers on it, yet has never really duck hunted because that would entail getting out of bed early. He shops at Orvis for his hunting pants, yet has not seemed to go hunting yet. He takes one or two expensive trips a year to hunting/fishing destinations and drinks the 5 days away. He wears a tatered, filthy college ball cap, even though his daddy owns the company that makes the caps. Works at a gunshop so he can brag, he doesnt need the money and has a non-customer service attitude.

Relax buzz .... I didnt know frat boys were still that touchy. I thought that went out when I left the frat life upon graduating.

Axe

danbh
November 25, 2003, 07:38 AM
NO, Never had a problem like that. the gun shop that my wife and I go to has more than 1 women behind the counter who knows everything there is to know about guns and is willing to give help to everyone.. We also live in GA. I guess you got to know where to go. Also My wife has never had any problems at gun shows either.:)

Delmar
November 25, 2003, 08:30 AM
Sad to say, but I have seen this movie a couple of times. Once, a woman I casually dated for a while went into a gunshop, having made up her mind to buy a Hi Power, the moron behind the glass kept pulling out Glocks.
I could see her blood pressure rising higher and higher until she stomped out of the place. I called for the manager and asked him if it was policy for his sales staff to anger a buying customer to the point where they left with their cash, and pointed the salesman out....

Mrs Delmar is ogling an ultimate bright stainless Officers Model at a Ft. Worth gunshow, and fool behind counter finds out how horrendous an Italian/Scottish temper can be when he drawls, "Aw, I got just the thing for the little lady", and pulls out a nickel plated Raven with pink grips. He might have gotten a kinder response by asking if it was okay to change her spaghetti recipe....



Delmar is awful glad he was not on the receiving end of that one!:what:

JackM
November 25, 2003, 02:01 PM
A young friend of mine went into a major Western Canadian gun store with all her papers and plastic, looking for a deer rifle for herself. She finally blew a fuse and left with her papers & plastic still in her purse. Won't be back there.

Bye
Jack

buzz_knox
November 25, 2003, 02:09 PM
but if that comment offended you ... maybe you know the guy?

No, I just don't like hypocrisy. As for being in a frat, I couldn't afford it.

forquidder
November 25, 2003, 02:24 PM
"This story does not really fit with the Racist line, so I started a new thread."

"mouth agape young republican frat, redneck boy. "

I'm in agreement Buzz. Should have just continued with this in the racist thread. :)

Gus Dddysgrl
November 25, 2003, 02:36 PM
I have not been in a lot of gun shops, but when I am they are very nice. I don't know a lot yet so being told what each one is and how it feels when shot is nice.

However when talking to people in class I surprise them with the little I do know. The other day I had a guy come up to me after class and ask me what I could teach him about guns. He read my paper for Adv. Comp and was quite impressed. (that's the class in which I freaked out the prof cause I said I was into guns.) He wants to learn more since he knows less than I do and thinks it's cool.

Can't wait till I can totally blow people away like "Jane" did

Swamprabbit
November 25, 2003, 02:48 PM
Yea, most gun counter employees tend to tick me off as well. Not just how they treat women customers but everyone that isn't part of their little group. I know that with most whipper-snappers, I probably shoot more in a week's time than they do all year. I now deal with only two gun dealers and, even then, with only selected employees there just because of these attitudes. I don't know why but it just seems like, at least in this part of the country, all of the male species seem to think they were born with supreme knowledge of firearms above and beyond anyone else.

I know from first hand accounts that ladies will most always learn to shoot and handle a firearm much faster than a male will. This is because most ladies start out knowing they don't know and are willing to learn. Males seem to not have this trait.

Great story and I know that if I were to have been working at that store at that age and a woman came in looking like that - you would have never been waited on, I would have been busy with another customer :cool: .

HarryRod
November 25, 2003, 03:06 PM
Hmmm....i guess i would have to say a gunshop where all of the counter people are beautiful, large breasted women wearing lingerie while showing you the weapons.
oh.....im sorry.....i thought you said sexiest gunshops.....my mistake.

treeprof
November 25, 2003, 03:13 PM
Last year, while exercising my membership at the range next door to the particular store mentioned in this story, an elderly (75+ yrs) lady came in with a new Ruger P97 and some ammo that they'd just sold her. She told me that she had wanted something a "little more powerful" than her .22 revolver since her husband had recently died, and that this is what they had recommended. Any moron could tell that a full size .45 was way too much gun for her - small hands, kind of shaky with an unsteady gait and having only shot a .22 previously. I helped her as best I could, but she didn't even get thru a full magazine before she decided that "maybe this wasn't the best gun" for her. I offered some alternative suggestions for her, and told her to talk to the owner and insist on full credit towards another gun.

BTW, one of my undergrad students used to work there. He was most definitely "plus-sized", but he didn't belong to a fraternity and was an all-around good kid. I can't say that for all the rest of the help there, tho. The new gun shop in town makes a point in their adverts and when you walk in th door that they are all about serving you, and it has put the hurt to
F%^&%%^*" business.

sm
November 25, 2003, 03:32 PM
I get both tickled and mad at the stereotyping of genders and stores/businessess. Not just gunshops, car repair comes to mind. Anyway...

I will never forget being out of town and being in a gunshop with a friends wife whom is a ED Doc. Petite, but CCWs a Lt. Wt Commander. Fella behind the counter is telling her she needs to look at the "little guns" instead of the "big guns". Nevermind she is looking for a gift for her dad, fella never even bothered to ask. Well I can tell she is about to lose patience. She does, when the fella said he carried a .380 , that's what she needed.

She lit into him about looking at the big bore revos for her dad, whips back her jacket to show him she CCWs a 1911..." I'm a ED Doc I'll remember this when you shoot yourself with that peashooter and end up in MY place of work, first thing I'll order is a larger foley for sure".

We left, sad thing is I bet the guy has no idea what a foley is...

GySgt
November 25, 2003, 03:43 PM
I like most of you, used to believe that women should be encouraged to shoot, dive, hunt, etc.....but I have since seen the light. Women have no business playing our games, hey we don't go to their quilting guild meetings!!! At first, they just want to be with you, then it's to keep track of you and finally...when they get just a "little" knowledge about a subject, they start thinking they know more than you and that they are the resident authority on "every" subject. Of course, when it's time to disassemble and clean their weapons, or they malfunction....they're quick to act like helpless females, because they don't have a clue how they actually operate. And before you all have your significant others light your flamethrowers, to burn me to nothing but cinders........stop and think about when men were men and women were women.....ah, the good ol' days ;)

Yes, I know there are acceptions to the above, but the vast majority of those women either don't like guys, or are too ugly, or annoying to get and keep a man. It's really simple, we cannot join their groups, but they think they have the right to not only join ours, but to take control.......

Donning my flameproof suit..........GySgt :p

Cosmoline
November 25, 2003, 04:09 PM
It's a big problem. I've lost count of the number of times I've overheard salesmen talking down to female customers and encouraging them to buy something smaller. Some clerks bring their personal issues to work with them, apparently.

Jammer Six
November 25, 2003, 04:26 PM
I like most of you, used to believe that women should be encouraged to shoot, dive, hunt, etc.....but I have since seen the light. Women have no business playing our games, hey we don't go to their quilting guild meetings!!! At first, they just want to be with you, then it's to keep track of you and finally...when they get just a "little" knowledge about a subject, they start thinking they know more than you and that they are the resident authority on "every" subject. Of course, when it's time to disassemble and clean their weapons, or they malfunction....they're quick to act like helpless females, because they don't have a clue how they actually operate. And before you all have your significant others light your flamethrowers, to burn me to nothing but cinders........stop and think about when men were men and women were women.....ah, the good ol' day

You need to meet a better class of women.

pax
November 25, 2003, 05:19 PM
You need to meet a better class of women.
Jammer Six,

Naw, it ain't the women that're the problem.

pax

The Right Kind Of People

Gone is the city, gone the day,
Yet still the story and the meaning stay:

Once where a prophet in the palm shade basked
A traveler chanced at noon to rest his miles.
"What sort of people may they be," he asked,
"In this proud city on the plains o'erspread?"
"Well, friend, what sort of people whence you came?"
"What sort?" the packman scowled; "why, knaves and fools."
"You'll find the people here the same," the wise man said.

Another stranger in the dusk drew near,
And pausing, cried "What sort of people here
In your bright city where yon towers arise?"
"Well, friend, what sort of people whence you came?"
"What sort?" the pilgrim smiled,
"Good, true and wise."
"You'll find the people here the same,"
The wise man said. -- Edwin Markham

GySgt
November 25, 2003, 05:24 PM
Naw, it ain't the women that're the problem.

Spoken like one of those evil female's seeking a redistribution of power.:p

pax
November 25, 2003, 06:34 PM
GySgt,

That's because I am one of those evil females seeking a redistribution of power.

A firearms instructor, a friend of mine, commented recently that the only way to deal with misogynist attitudes like you expressed is to simply outshoot the guy.

I'm strangely okay with that...

pax

Strings
November 25, 2003, 06:52 PM
funny... we had an opposite experience when Spoon bought her USP: the guys there were fighting over helping her with the paperwork. Next gun for her will be a NM AR... planning on making sure she's confidant with the manual of arms first, then doll her up and take her to a gunshow... :evil:

treeprof
November 25, 2003, 07:03 PM
I clean her guns when she shoots, she cleans the utensils when I cook. Works for us.

I'm happy to shoot w/women, and even happier to help them learn. Most of them seem to take to it much more easily then men. I remember when my wife started shooting and got some training, she said "So you point it and shoot it, what's the big deal? Why do men overcomplicate everything?" After shooting a coupla mags with the shorty Bushmaster "Isn't it neat how all the holes are so close together?" "Yes dear, very cool. Now, can I have my gun back?".

We have some close couple friends who "don't like guys" whom I've helped learn to shoot because, above and beyond the normal concerns most of us here have for self defense, self protection against small-minded bigots is not a trivial issue where they live.

Jammer Six
November 25, 2003, 07:45 PM
Jammer Six,

Naw, it ain't the women that're the problem.


What sort of women do you think he attracts?

There's only one way to change that...

pax
November 25, 2003, 07:55 PM
Clarification --

Rereading my earlier post I see that it could have come across as a personal attack, which wasn't my intention at all.

For clearer understanding of what I meant, please read the poem in the sig on that post.

pax

Barbara
November 25, 2003, 09:06 PM
I can only think of one time I've had any kind of hassle at all and that was when a salesperson was trying to talk me into buying some kind of crap..I don't even remember the details, just remember walking out..he was just a crappy person, though, and he would have tried it with anyone he thought he could get away with it with. Most times people are decent.

Now, car repairs..that's a different story. I am not a mechanic, but I'm not an idiot, either, and more than half the places I've ever taken a vehicle to have tried to scam me. Sad, too, because once I find one I trust, I stay for years.

Jammer Six
November 25, 2003, 09:47 PM
For clearer understanding of what I meant, please read the poem in the sig on that post.


Well, if I had been paying attention, I could have kept my smart assed comments to myself.

Of course, if I knew how to do that...

Jammer Six
November 25, 2003, 10:02 PM
Sad, too, because once I find one I trust, I stay for years.

Us, too.

Back before we could afford new cars, we chose our mechanic by the simple expedient of having her take the car in to a few places.

The next day, I took it in.

We stuck with the mechanic that gave us both the same price for ten years.

I couldn't believe what we heard from some of the places, and I wondered for several years just how many blue Camaros they had all seen that day.

GySgt
November 25, 2003, 10:07 PM
Pax, Jammer and the rest of you girls......

Obviously, I need to work on my delivery......as that was meant to be
Sarcastic Humor !!!

Or, this board has become too libertarian PC.....hmmmmm?

pax
November 26, 2003, 12:52 AM
GySgt,

Ah, I get it. You were joking.

pax

The clearest indication of character is what people find laughable. -- Goethe

GySgt
November 26, 2003, 02:24 AM
Ah, I get it. You were joking.

I get it too, you weren't........

Your quotes are a clever way of driving home your opinion and insulting at the same time. You remind me of someone I used to know on a couple other forums, is that you Sharyn ?

pax
November 26, 2003, 08:09 PM
GySgt,

I have no particular desire to offend or insult you. If you found that last quote offensive, you found it so only because your "joke" was itself offensive.

Dunno any Sharyn. I'm only a member at a few boards -- here, TAC, the defunct TFL and that's about it.

pax

CB900F
November 26, 2003, 09:19 PM
Pax;

Sorry, I never found poetry able to clear anything up. If somebody wants to make it 'clear as mud' to me, all they have to do is versify it. Frankly, I quit bothering myself with it after I cleared the english requirements for a degree.

Don't have anything against females, qua females, shooting, in gun shops, riding motorcycles or much else.

Just thought I'd point out that one person's clarity, or sense of humor, or name it, can be another person's obfuscation, sore point, or whiff.

Ain't communication an adventure though?

900F

justice4all
November 26, 2003, 10:54 PM
What the heck's a foley?

mnealtx
November 27, 2003, 03:30 AM
A Foley catheter is inserted through the urethra into the bladder, where a small inflatable "balloon" keeps it in place. There are various sizes to ensure a good seal in the urethra.....

....and that whole comment just makes me *shudder*.....

Aces
November 27, 2003, 11:23 AM
Sooooo.... they were loath to even wait on her, but stand there and let her field strip the weapon without saying a word? OK.
Quite the woman, she even carries the little allen wrench needed to remove the front section of the guide rod with her at all times? Or only when shopping Springfield 1911's knowing they have the inferior two piece design?

Aces
November 27, 2003, 11:34 AM
Sounds like that shop needs a little diversity. Fire some of the redneck/republican/frat boys, and hire some bedwetting libs. Or black welfare queens. Or libertarian beret wearing latte sippers.

jdkelly
November 27, 2003, 02:39 PM
"She lit into him about looking at the big bore revos for her dad, whips back her jacket to show him she CCWs a 1911..." I'm a ED Doc I'll remember this when you shoot yourself with that peashooter and end up in MY place of work, first thing I'll order is a larger foley for sure". "



SM,

Here is a different twist on your story, it's not rip at you but just trying to look at it from a different point. I do not mean to offend.



It didn't occur to me for a couple of hours after reading your thread, but what your female Doc friend did is threaten physical harm to a male person's gentiles, while displaying a firearm.

I don't believe we (you, me and every one who has read it) would react the same, if a male Doc had threatened a female gun store employee in a similar manor.

I guess we are all sexists (me too) in our own way.


In the PC world of today you Doc friend my have violiated the clerks civil rights. It may be more criminal to threaten a person while displaying a firearm and it certainly is unprofessional.

I would hope that as her friend, that you at least bring these last few points to her attention, it may save her a world of trouble in the future.


Respectfully,

jkelly

Black Snowman
November 27, 2003, 04:12 PM
One very popular gunstore in my neck of the woods is owned by a woman and is one of the most compedative stores around. They move a LOT of used guns in particular and everyone who works there is helpful, patcient, and knowlegeable. They'd never get hired if they weren't.

If anyone is near the north side of Kansas City it's worth a side trip to Kearny, MO to visit "Great Guns".

capt_happypants
November 27, 2003, 08:07 PM
Most of these incidents can be avoided if the clerks...

1. Ask questions
2. Don't assume anything.

I tend to go the other way with female customers - I figure that if they're in the shop, they're shooters, and they'll know what they want.

As to clerks pushing lightweight J-Frames towards females, my job isn't to sell the gun that *I* think is right for a woman - it's to sell what she wants. If she wants her first handgun to be a Kimber Custom II, I'll suggest a book or a video that covers field stripping (heck, I'm a guy, and I haven't the faintest clue how to field-strip a 1911).

Why I don't have attractive, single, female customers with a yen for black rifles and Sig Sauer pistols for customers at Blast-O-Rama is beyond me.

dustind
November 28, 2003, 12:09 AM
Or libertarian beret wearing latte sippers. Where did you get that? What Libertarian drinks latte or wears a beret? I thought that was communists?

Raistlin
November 28, 2003, 08:12 AM
Where did you get that? What Libertarian drinks latte or wears a beret? I thought that was communists?

Wait a minute - I like a good latte (and I'm no commie)! :D :D :D

Dr.Rob
November 28, 2003, 08:44 AM
Seen this far more often than I'd care to admit. Sadly, chauvanistic attitudes and knuckle dragging still occur.

Guns are still a male dominated hobby/sport. The few attempts to attract female buyers (pink Witness pistol anyone?) have been sort of.. laughable or downright gruesome (Colt ad with prowler menacing in window...).

I don't blame all gun owners/shop keepers etc. Not afraid to take my business to a place with better customer service.

duck hunt
November 29, 2003, 01:46 PM
A group of us went shooting at Blue Ridge Arsenal (http://www.blueridgearsenal.com/) in Chantilly Virginia a couple of months back. Our group included about five women and maybe eight guys. We were treated equally, all given excellent service and assistance and -- here's where you separate the men from the he-man woman haters -- the place had the nicest ladies' room I've ever seen anywhere, much less a range. Little baskets of complimentary products like a hotel! Clean and well-stocked! Details like that really mean a lot as far as customer service. It's something that seems to be lost on many retailers these days. Bravo to Blue Ridge Arsenal.

Ed Ely
November 29, 2003, 02:25 PM
who get PO'ed when the ladies do not get first attention or
no attention. My question now, after reading all the posts,
"What the he*l would you do if the behind the counter sales
person completely ignored you from the first step into his
place and came on to the female who is accompanying you,
and started to jawing with her in gun talk lingo and completely
left you out of the picture"?

I bet one thing, you would want to go after that dude because
the male harmones would be about to drive you to fits about
this time. Could it be that the sales counter person is just really
being a she-male protector himself? By his directing gun talk
to the accompanying male, he is tyring not to embrass the fairer
sex of any ignorance on the subject. Taking on the role of the
devil's advocate again, yea!

Ed

pax
November 29, 2003, 08:08 PM
"What the he*l would you do if the behind the counter sales
person completely ignored you from the first step into his
place and came on to the female who is accompanying you,
and started to jawing with her in gun talk lingo and completely
left you out of the picture"?
Any man who is secure in his manhood wouldn't have a problem with that.

The measure of a man is not how insanely jealous he becomes during an ordinary social interaction. That's ugly and unhealthy.

She ain't your property, man.

pax

Barbara
November 29, 2003, 08:55 PM
I'm trying to figure out what exactly a she-male is.

Ed Ely
November 29, 2003, 09:11 PM
during an ordinary social interaction. That's ugly and unhealthy.

pax, if it is not ugly and not unhealthy for the majority of the
posters on this thread to voice a concern about the fairer sex being
completely ignored in the gun shops, then would that not be an
ordinary social interaction. If that be the case, why are most of
the posters gripping in the first place. Is that not ugly and
unhealthy also?

Edited for Barbara -
I'm trying to figure out what exactly a she-male is.
It is not an offensive term, please do not read anything into it. My
wording for a very nice, good loooooking, attractive FEMALE, that's
all.

pax
November 29, 2003, 09:14 PM
Ed,

I can't navigate your tortured grammar well enough to figure out what you're asking. Want to try it again?

pax

Barbara
November 29, 2003, 09:22 PM
Ok. What are we cranky, middle aged, chubby women called? I like "woman" myself, but that's just me. :p

Ed Ely
November 29, 2003, 09:22 PM
Sorry pax, that is the best I can do with a second grade
education.

pax
November 29, 2003, 09:23 PM
Um, I wasn't trying to be rude. I was simply trying to figure out what you were trying to say so that we could have a discussion.

pax

Ed Ely
November 29, 2003, 09:35 PM
pax, I did not take it as being rude. For the record, before someone
jumps in and accuses me of saying that you are the one with the
second grade education, nope that is me.

Barbara, you are a WOMAN. MRCC (http://www.hammer9.com/join.html)

Looks like I am hijacking this thread, that I will not do. Bye.

Geech
November 30, 2003, 02:17 AM
Any man who is secure in his manhood wouldn't have a problem with that.

I never like being completely ignored when I'm with someone else, regardless of sex. If I really felt that a female companion was getting more than her fair share of attention, I might indeed feel frustrated... but as a person, not an "insecure" man.

Strings
November 30, 2003, 04:01 AM
I have to say that my wife HAS recieved what some might term "more attention than is warranted". And it never caused any undo feelings of jealousy in me: quite the contrary, I usually laugh to myself. Of course, that's just me...

CB900F
November 30, 2003, 12:59 PM
Barbara;

Please, just what is the MRCC? I presume it's the Michigan something-or-other, but what? I'm in Montana & that starts with an M also, and gee, I'm Male too. Uh-oh, if I didn't have this minuteman in my backyard with 10 nuke warheads, all live by the way, I could get paranoid!

You think I'm kidding about the ICBM? Don't worry though, they don't let me play with it very often.

:D 900F

Barbara
November 30, 2003, 01:28 PM
It's a long sad story that has a lot to do with union corruption and my state gun rights organization (which for good or bad, I am currently a director of) and very little to do with men in general. :(

I'm sometimes a little cranky about men, too, but these two things are not related. ;)

P.S. The "Screwing with the brotherhood" thing is based on a quotation from one of them (my now fellow director) saying that people should know better than to screw with the brotherhood.

Moparmike
December 1, 2003, 06:45 AM
What the he*l would you do if the behind the counter sales
person completely ignored you from the first step into his
place and came on to the female who is accompanying you,
and started to jawing with her in gun talk lingo and completely
left you out of the picture"?Well, I wouldnt punch him, unless he started making untoward advances and/or touching her in an unprofessional manner.* I like to think that chivalry isnt completely dead, its just in the ICU and fading fast.

I would however start looking around at what I came in for, casually interupting to get the opinion of "she who wears the pants in the family" on something of interest, trying to get his attention focused on us as a pair of customers, not her as a love interest. It really depends upon the situation at the moment. I havent had any experience with men hitting on my gf, so I cant really accurately say what I would do.


*An example of a professional manner of touching her would be like fitting for gloves or something. He holds his hand up, asks her to press hers against his (sizing up her hand in comparison), and more accurately determines the size of the glove she needs.

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