HELP ASAP! Please review my Midway reloading order


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1KPerDay
March 31, 2010, 06:11 PM
154114 Lee Safety Prime Priming Unit Small Primers Post 2006 Presses
Available 1 $14.99 $14.99
199200 Wheeler Engineering Screwdriver Bit S&W Rebound Slide Spring
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.79 $4.79
204960 Frankford Arsenal Case Lube 8 oz Pump
Available 1 $7.79 $7.79
215517 Frankford Arsenal Impact Bullet Puller
Available 1 $13.29 $13.29
242098 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 45 ACP
Available 1 $33.29 $33.29
348753 Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure
Available 1 $33.99 $33.99
389104 Lee Chamfer and Deburring Tool
Available 1 $2.79 $2.79
467111 Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner
Available 1 $2.09 $2.09
484416 Lee "Modern Reloading 2nd Edition" Reloading Manual
Available 1 $12.49 $12.49
589591 Lee Safety Prime Priming Unit Large Primers Post 2006 Presses
Available 1 $14.99 $14.99
604242 Frankford Arsenal Electronic Caliper 6" Stainless Steel
Available 1 $12.99 $12.99
786187 Lee Universal Shellholders Package of 11
Available 1 $20.49 $20.49
814175 Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press
Available 1 $85.49 $85.49



What else do I need? A powder measure, right? Do I REALLY need a vibratory case cleaner? Or can I do without for a while? Any other suggestions?

Anything on this list I don't need? I have brass, bullets, and primers, a sizer/lubricator press, a lead furnace, but no pistol powder or dies. What do I absolutely have to have to start reloading?

Thanks! :cool:

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Lee Roder
March 31, 2010, 06:32 PM
i don't see a scale.

1KPerDay
March 31, 2010, 06:45 PM
Yeah. the one I wanted (the cheapest magnetic Lee one) is on backorder. Scales are expensive! I don't know what to do. I don't really want to spend $100+ on a scale at this point but I know I need one.

dakotasin
March 31, 2010, 06:56 PM
you need a scale, and spending a little extra to get a quality scale is money well spent. i would also add a powder trickler because you will use it a lot during load development, but after the load is developed, you may not touch it again. still, for $12, it is money well spent.

i didn't see any trays for holding your cases either. spend the $8 and get one, or build one, but you will need one.

Kernel
March 31, 2010, 07:00 PM
The list of stuff that's nice to have is never ending. Some items you might add to your list:

You have a powder measure, what you need is a scale. There is a digital on sale at Midway, at the moment.

Lee Safety Prime Small and Large (548630). Cheaper to buy them as a pair, rather than one at a time.

A couple of spare turrets (292460).

Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser (114080). Adds some height to the PM so it will clear the other dies on the turret. This is a "must have" and not very expensive. Surprised Lee doesn't just include it with the Classic Turret.

The Lee case trimmer & locking stud (the one trimmer & stud works with all cartridges). Then, the case length gage & shell holder for what ever specific cartridges you intend to load. They all screw together to work as one unit. Very quick and useful tool. I would put it in the "must have" catagory.

Lee Micro Disk for PM. Let's you meter really light pistol loads.

Lee Double Disk Kit. Let's you meter large rifle loads (currently out of stock at Midway).

Lee Adjustable Charge Bar. Let's you meter a variable charge, instead of a fixed volume (currently out of stock at Midway).

Lee Rifle Charging Die. Let's you use normal rifle die set's with the Lee Auto-Disk. Lee deluxe rifle die sets all come with a charging die, and all you need is one (currently out of stock at Midway).

That's a start.

1KPerDay
March 31, 2010, 07:03 PM
Thanks... thought I added the case trimmer but it's not up there.

So barring the out of stock stuff, if I just add the case trimmer and swap the individual large/small safety prime for the combo, am I pretty much set then, for primarily handgun loads (.45 ACP), after I add a scale and the case trimmer? (and dies for whatever...)

1KPerDay
March 31, 2010, 07:10 PM
Okay: list updated... tell me what you think.
This is getting expensive.... :scrutiny:

114080 Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser
Available 1 $7.19 $7.19
199200 Wheeler Engineering Screwdriver Bit S&W Rebound Slide Spring
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.79 $4.79
204960 Frankford Arsenal Case Lube 8 oz Pump
Available 1 $7.79 $7.79
215517 Frankford Arsenal Impact Bullet Puller
Available 1 $13.29 $13.29
242098 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 45 ACP
Available 1 $33.29 $33.29
271467 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 308 Winchester
Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
292460 Lee 4 Hole, Classic 4 Hole Turret Press Turret
Available 2 $9.99 $19.98
309802 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 38 Special, 357 Magnum
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $33.29 $33.29
348753 Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure
Available 1 $33.99 $33.99
389104 Lee Chamfer and Deburring Tool
Available 1 $2.79 $2.79
439386 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 9mm Luger
Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
467111 Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $2.09 $2.09
476992 Lee Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud
Available 1 $3.99 $3.99
484416 Lee "Modern Reloading 2nd Edition" Reloading Manual
Available 1 $12.49 $12.49
548630 Lee Safety Prime Small and Large Primer Feeder for 2006, Later Reloading Press
Available 1 $20.99 $20.99
604242 Frankford Arsenal Electronic Caliper 6" Stainless Steel
Available 1 $12.99 $12.99
605320 RCBS Model 502 Magnetic Powder Scale 505 Grain Capacity
Available 1 $64.79 $64.79
786187 Lee Universal Shellholders Package of 11
Available 1 $20.49 $20.49
814175 Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press
Available 1 $85.49 $85.49
832923 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 38 Special
Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
880062 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 45 ACP
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.49 $4.49
885350 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 9mm Luger
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $33.29 $33.29

Kernel
March 31, 2010, 07:28 PM
You still need to add the Lee Case Length Gage for the .45 ACP cartridge. It comes with the special shell holder that works only with the Locking Stud. The normal shell holder that works on the press won't fit the stud.

I'd leave anything out of stock off the order, otherwise Midway will kill you on the shipping when they do come in. Cleaning primer pockets is something you really don't HAVE to do anyway. Especially handgun cartridges.

GW Staar
March 31, 2010, 07:37 PM
This is getting expensive....

What's the price of shipping for all of that?

Might be worth your while to check out Grafs (http://www.grafs.com/product/261758) If they have most of this stuff in stock, the total shipping would be a whole $4.50!!

Kernel
March 31, 2010, 07:46 PM
I see you add some spare turrets. If you have other non-Lee pistol die sets, you'll need to get the Lee Powder Through Expander for each specific pistol cartridge. Otherwise, you won't be able to actuate the powder measure. All Lee pistol die sets come with one.

Kernel
March 31, 2010, 07:53 PM
$65 for a beam scale seems like a waste. A decent electronic one with check weights will cost $90, and be ten times quicker and more usefull.

Kernel
March 31, 2010, 08:01 PM
Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser (114080).

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pcwirepro
March 31, 2010, 08:06 PM
Hey 1K... they have the $20.00 Lee perfect powder measure right down the street at Cabelas.

RustyFN
March 31, 2010, 08:37 PM
114080 Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser
Available 1 $7.19 $7.19
You want the pro auto disk.
199200 Wheeler Engineering Screwdriver Bit S&W Rebound Slide Spring
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.79 $4.79
204960 Frankford Arsenal Case Lube 8 oz Pump
Available 1 $7.79 $7.79
You don't need to lube straight wall pistol cases with carbide dies.
215517 Frankford Arsenal Impact Bullet Puller
Available 1 $13.29 $13.29
Good to have.
242098 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 45 ACP
Available 1 $33.29 $33.29
Good set.
271467 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 308 Winchester
Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
You will need case lube for 308.
292460 Lee 4 Hole, Classic 4 Hole Turret Press Turret
Available 2 $9.99 $19.98
Very good press.
309802 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 38 Special, 357 Magnum
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $33.29 $33.29
348753 Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure
Available 1 $33.99 $33.99
This is the right one.
389104 Lee Chamfer and Deburring Tool
Available 1 $2.79 $2.79
439386 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 9mm Luger
Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
No need to trim straight wall pistol brass.
467111 Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $2.09 $2.09
476992 Lee Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud
Available 1 $3.99 $3.99
484416 Lee "Modern Reloading 2nd Edition" Reloading Manual
Available 1 $12.49 $12.49
548630 Lee Safety Prime Small and Large Primer Feeder for 2006, Later Reloading Press
Available 1 $20.99 $20.99
604242 Frankford Arsenal Electronic Caliper 6" Stainless Steel
Available 1 $12.99 $12.99
605320 RCBS Model 502 Magnetic Powder Scale 505 Grain Capacity
Available 1 $64.79 $64.79
786187 Lee Universal Shellholders Package of 11
Available 1 $20.49 $20.49
No need for this, all lee dies come with the shell holder.
814175 Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press
Available 1 $85.49 $85.49
832923 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 38 Special
Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
Again no need to trim pistol brass.
880062 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 45 ACP
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $4.49 $4.49
885350 Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 9mm Luger
Out of Stock, Backorder OK 1 $33.29 $33.29

The Lee classic turret is a great press. I have been loading on one four years now and am very happy. I think you can save yourself smoe headaches by looking at Kempf, https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=26&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41 and add the upgrades for pro auto disk and both safety primes. The press will come with one set of dies but you will need to add a scale.

guntech59
March 31, 2010, 09:04 PM
I think you would be better served with a collet style bullet puller. I have had very limited success with the impact pullers. The collet ones were a godsend for me.

Just my opinion, of course.

Kernel
March 31, 2010, 09:37 PM
114080 Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser
Available 1 $7.19 $7.19
You want the pro auto disk.

Regardless of which PM you get, you'll need the RISER.

832923 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 38 Special
Available 1 $4.49 $4.49
Again no need to trim pistol brass.

That's debatable. You may not NEED to in order to make a shell that goes "bang", but you will get a more consistant crimp if you do, among other things.

1KPerDay
March 31, 2010, 09:37 PM
Thanks guys. Rusty, don't you need the powder measure riser if you use non-lee dies? I don't have ANY dies right now so I suppose I don't need the riser, but I thought maybe I'd find some other brand dies locally or something.

Don't pistol cases stretch? And don't 9mm and .45 ACP headspace on the case mouth? Is there a reason you don't need to trim them? Thanks for your patience with a reloading noob. :cool:

bds
March 31, 2010, 09:54 PM
Is there a reason you don't need to trim them?

Because you don't need to. 15+ years and 300K+ reloads, never trimmed pistol cases.

Also for your order list, I have the Frankford Arsenal vibratory tumblers (old and new model) - great units ($47 on sale).

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=587176&utm_source=bsfatumbler_img&utm_medium=homepage118008

Kernel
March 31, 2010, 10:33 PM
Read the reviews on Midway. You need the Riser for two reasons. 1) To clear tall dies AND 2) something about clearance with the Safety Prime mechanism. In fact, a number of poster say to get TWO Risers and stack them on top of each other in order to get enough clearance off the Safety Prime. With only one Riser installed you can still get interference.

You don’t have to trim. You can certainly regurgitate rounds a lot quicker if you don’t. However, if you want to take the time an make the highest quality handload possible, then IMO you should. Trimming results in a more consistant crimp and helps to locate the crimping grove, realative to the case mouth, in a more uniform fashion. Both aid in better accuracy.

RustyFN
March 31, 2010, 10:45 PM
Regardless of which PM you get, you'll need the RISER.

Rusty, don't you need the powder measure riser if you use non-lee dies?

Yes Kernel is right you do need it. I miss read it and thought it was the auto disk powder measure.

grubbylabs
March 31, 2010, 11:02 PM
Funnel for returning powder to original container and for pouring straight into the shell.

jmortimer
April 1, 2010, 12:16 AM
As indicated above you need a scale and the Lee scale is adequate especially if you use powder dippers. You could eliminate the powder measure and get the dippers - around $10.00 I think. Even then, you still need a scale to check the first couple dipper loads - then you can put the scale away. I hate scales. Also, I highly recommend the Lee Auto Prime for hand held priming. Was just using one Sunday and knocked out 50 rounds in about four minutes while carefully checking each primer to ensure it was flush. What a beautiful $12.00 reloading tool. Also, the Lee universal funnel as indicated above. You are off to a great start.

tunnug
April 1, 2010, 12:28 AM
Nobody's suggested this and I'm surprised, I didn't add up your purchase but have you thought about getting one of the starter kits that have just about everything to start reloading, might be cheaper than buying everything separately, then just add whatever you feel you still need.

Kernel
April 1, 2010, 01:04 AM
You're buying a four hole semi-progressive press and jmortimer thinks you need powder dippers. LOL!

rogn
April 1, 2010, 07:42 AM
I really like Lee equiptment , but their powder scale is a desperation unit. I works and is accurate but it is extremely unfriendly and slow to use. Get a 505 and dont look back. The cheaper electronic scales are good for street corner drug deals and have varying accuracy and general lack of repeatability, thier range of utilityis only 0.2 grains, and the battery function is short lived. They on the other hand are useful for quick weighing of cases, loaded rounds, and other general tasks-setting up a load to weigh-you dip say 49.8 gr of a 50.0 gr load and finish dribbling it on the Ohaus scale, this is quick and accurate. But again on the othert hand if you want to spend >$100 for an electronic scale the Blue one has a good reputaion and has AC hook up- In short dont scrimp on either scale-youll just wind up buying another in the future--experience talks.

1KPerDay
April 1, 2010, 11:29 AM
Thanks again. Tunnug, the list above was about $430 with shipping. But I haven't redone after removing the items Rusty pointed out I don't need.

The kits I've seen are not comprehensive. You still have to add the things that experienced reloaders already have (scale, dies, sometimes trimmers/gauges, etc.)

If anyone knows of an "everything you need to get started reloading" kit that includes a quality turret press let me know.

GW Staar
April 1, 2010, 07:01 PM
I'll bet you could save $50 or more if you price this stuff at Graf & Sons, or MidSouth. I did what you're doing 18 months ago and with my stuff. I saved over $100. $30 on the press alone. Wouldn't have shopped at all except that the shelves were practically bare at Midway just after Black Tuesday, and the panic buyers hadn't finished off Grafs yet.:)

Hope history doesn't repeat, now that Obama is done with healthcare. If his next focus is on gun control...we may have to go through all this again.

bullseye308
April 1, 2010, 08:20 PM
The Lee scale works just fine, get it. One loading manual will not be enough down the road, you will be better off if you buy a few more soon to compare and cover loads not listed in the one you have. No need to trim 9mm or 45, but you may want to trim 38/357 one time. It isn't necessary, but if you want all your crimps to be the same it helps. I trimmed 1k and didn't trim 1k (don't forget to chamfer & debur) and really didn't notice enough of a difference after 5 loadings to bother keeping them separate anymore.
The Lee hand primer kicks butt. You can prime brass anywhere and in a hurry. You might not benefit from loading blocks unless you get a single stage, but keep that in mind if you do. A tumbler will be nice but is not necessary right now. There are threads recently about how to get along without one till you get one.

benzuncle
April 1, 2010, 08:53 PM
1K, the Lee Classic Turret Press will serve you well. You mentioned more than once that "it's getting expensive". Consider just setting up for the 45ACP to get rolling and learning; you will make a few mistakes along the way. Once you figure out what you are doing you can add dies and turrets for about $50 per caliber. As Rusty said, you don't need the trimmers for straight wall pistol brass either.
Now, having said all that, and being a regular customer at Midway, consider looking at www.kempfgunshop.com for Lee Classic Turret Press setup and compare their prices. Their kit is $177.95 for the 45ACP and includes quite a bit of the stuff that you want and a $22 upgrade price for the Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure and the large and small safety prime systems. They also have the Lee scale for $22.95. I bought my LCT rig from them and added almost everything I needed in that one order for 45ACP. The Lee scale is not easiest to use but it is accurate. You can upgrade later if you choose to. I bought my setup from Kempf about 2 years ago and still use the Lee scale. Good luck in your purchase and new hobby!

RustyFN
April 1, 2010, 09:00 PM
Nobody's suggested this and I'm surprised, I didn't add up your purchase but have you thought about getting one of the starter kits that have just about everything to start reloading, might be cheaper than buying everything separately, then just add whatever you feel you still need.

There is a link to the kempf kit in post 14. I think that is the best kit available right now. You will need to add a scale. If you order it in the rifle kit then it will come with,

Rifle Caliber Kits include:
Lee Classic Turret Press
Lee PaceSetter Dies (3 Die set)
Lee Auto Disk Powder Measure
Lee Saftety Prime System (Large or Small)
Lee Auto Disk Riser
Powder-Thru Rifle Charging Die
Case Lube
Double Disk Kit

Price: $177.95

Upgrade to the pro auto disk and both safety primes is around $22. Add the Lee case trimmer for your rifle caliber, scale and caliper and you should be good to go. When you add a pistol caliber all you will need to add are the dies and a turret.

Kernel
April 1, 2010, 10:48 PM
Midway has a lot of this Lee stuff on sale right now. Their price for the "Kempf Kit" is about $20 less than Kempf right now. Midway's sale price on just the four hole press is $10 less than Grafs' sale price. Plus Midway has a $30 off $300 coupon thing going right now (or a $10 off $50), which basically means free shipping.

kludge
April 1, 2010, 11:00 PM
If you are going to do single stage loading, you'll curse yourself for not having a powder measure other then the Pro Auto Disk.

If your going to do load development for the .308, it won't be any fun on the AutoDisk.

The Lee Chamfer Tool is useless on 9mm, but you probably won't need it there very often.

Natchez has better prices than Midway, maybe not better than the sale price, just sayin'.

DaveBeal
April 1, 2010, 11:16 PM
Since you're looking mainly for Lee products, check out the Lee factory website (http://www.factorysales.com/index.html).

pcwirepro
April 1, 2010, 11:17 PM
Kernel, Did you see that deal today?

bds
April 1, 2010, 11:28 PM
check out the Lee factory website.

http://www.factorysales.com/html/company.html is another online vendor website.

"This is what inspired the Factory Sales web site. My simple goal is to provide instant access to shooting sports supplies at great prices. Our flag ship vendor is Lee Precision, we can guarantee great service on this companies products, as my business is just a howitzer shot away from their plant."

Lee's official website is - http://www.leeprecision.com/

vtail
April 1, 2010, 11:51 PM
Don't forget a current discount code too!

Kernel
April 2, 2010, 04:51 AM
Kernel, Did you see that deal today?

To receive your Savings:
1. Place in-stock products in your shopping cart totaling:
$100 for $10 off - Use Promotion Code 1032210
$200 for $20 off - Use Promotion Code 2032210
$300 for $30 off - Use Promotion Code 3032210
Enter the promotion code in the box entitled "Promotion Code" on the shopping cart page.
2. You will see the discount on the Confirmation page before placing your order.
3. Remember, this promotion code is valid for orders placed on MidwayUSA.com.
4. Limited to one per Customer and one promotion code per retail order.
5. Offer cannot be combined with Birthday or Special Pricing.
6. Offer valid for retail Customers only.
7. Offer not valid on MidwayUSA Gift Certificates and Nightforce products.
8. Hurry, offer starts at 12:00 AM CT March 22, 2010
and ends at 11:59 PM CT April 14, 2010.

http://www.midwayusa.com/staticAppPages/32220107_page.htm

There is one catch though. For those of us who have a C&R or FFL, you can't use these discounts codes with Dealer Pricing. Depending on what you have in your cart it might be cheaper not log-in to your account and forego dealer pricing. You just need to run the numbers both ways and see which one is cheaper. On my last order, which was over $300, I looked at it both ways and dealer pricing was still cheaper than the non-dealer prices with the discount code. But only by a couple of bucks.

That said, though I think Midway is a good company, most of what I buy from them is just stuff that's on sale. Even with dealer pricing, their everyday prices are almost always more expensive than places like Natchez, Grafs, and Mid-South.

Right now their sale price on the Lee Four Hole Classic press is smokin' hot.

markshere2
April 2, 2010, 07:15 AM
just $.02 more........

I love my little digital scale for checking cast bullet weights and setting powder loads.

I lube all my cases, even when using carbide dies.

I screwed around with a collet bullet puller a LOT, then went to a kinetic "hammer" one. love it!

pcwirepro
April 2, 2010, 09:17 AM
Thanks Kernel,
I think I'll use that for a case feeder.
I wonder why I didn't get that promotion in my e-mail.

Duckdog
April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM
Lots of good advise here. I have the pistol length trimmers, but have never really used them or found a need. In fact, in Lee's book, he'll tell you he doesnt think they're needed, but he makes them 'cause there's a market for them. I do use te 9mm Makarov for case forming, though. I would get the Lee dippers, as when you load rifle, you'll probably not be able to use the auto disk,(I don't, even though I have a double disk kit). If you have a scale, you'l find you can pretty much set the powder measure off to the side, as you can easily find your load with the dippers and a scale. These are cheap at about $8-$10. Second the powder funnel.
I have several auto disks,(standard model, as I do not like to mess with changing the disks... god I'm lazy!), and it works just fine. I use one riser, but two would work. One does get clearance, but not by much. You can add a second later. I have several scales and the Lee is accurate, just a bit slower to set, but very good.

The auto prime that works with the Lee clssic turret rock, and you'll be happy.

What rustyFN posted about the Kempf kit is right on. It will get you reloading and get you into this additction. I would add the powder dippers, but that's up to you. You will use them.

Like many here, I've been reloading for many moons, and I did not just go out and buy everything right off, I accumulated it as I found a need. It does make you appreciate it once you get it, and makes you understand the ins, and outs, of reloading. Sometimes it's not the best to go from a to z without stopping in between. In any case, welcome to the club!

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