Why are Poly Tech AK's so expensive on the used market?


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ijosef
April 2, 2010, 01:15 PM
From the research I've done the net, they were among the best pre-AWB semi-auto AK clones on the market, especially the Poly Tech Legend. My question is, do they justify the $1500-$2000 price they are taking on gunbroker?

An older guy I go to the range with bought one just prior to Clinton's AWB. He's not into the AK, but figured he should get one in case they're never allowed again in the traditional configuration. He went to a gun shop and picked one out of a crate and paid $300 plus $75 for 1000 rounds of milsurp ammo. When I told him what prices those guns were going for, he was floored. Even the stamped, non-Legend models are taking around $900.

So, are they worth that price, especially when you can buy a professional converted Saiga for less than half that?

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svaz
April 2, 2010, 01:23 PM
An AK for $1500? HA HA HA

The only AK I've ever seen worth more than $500 is Saddam Hussain's (http://www.weaponsblog.org/entry/saddam-husseins-golden-ak-47-still-holds-the-glitter/).

Why would anyone pay that kind of $ for an AK? Don't get me wrong. I like AK's, I just don't like them that much.

Avtomat Kalashnikova
April 2, 2010, 01:27 PM
they are collectable

cougar1717
April 2, 2010, 01:47 PM
I'm not sure if this analogy is totally valid, but Poly tech is to the AK what Colt is to the AR - it's the brand associated with the gun.

ijosef
April 2, 2010, 01:50 PM
I guess it makes sense for diehard collectors. I suppose once guns enter that price range, they're not really for the occasional shooter anymore. Whatever the market will bear, I suppose. If I could go back in time and buy a crate full of them for $300 a piece and flip them for $1500 per unit, I'd be plenty happy!

benEzra
April 2, 2010, 02:13 PM
Poly tech is to the AK what Colt is to the AR - it's the brand associated with the gun.
Only for people who were already old enough in the 1980's to read gun magazines. Few entering the market today have probably ever heard of Poly Tech.

Having said that, Poly Techs command a premium for the same reason that 1965 Corvettes do---they are nice, the supply is limited, and they aren't making any more of them.

mp5a3
April 2, 2010, 02:56 PM
Too bad there wasn't a sunset on that law. We would still be importing tons of Polytech's after 2004.

zhyla
April 2, 2010, 03:02 PM
Yep, never heard of polytechs. I can't imagine what is so wrong with other AK's to justify $1000. I'd rather have 3 or 4 AK's.

Gelgoog
April 2, 2010, 03:09 PM
Yep, never heard of polytechs. I can't imagine what is so wrong with other AK's to justify $1000. I'd rather have 3 or 4 AK's.

pre-ban+ limited number + high quality build + you will never see them again = high price.

Ohio Gun Guy
April 2, 2010, 04:22 PM
Had a post ban one. They are finished better than any other AK, the action is smooth crisp, the barrel is heavier, the reviever is thicker, the mags fit well, everything is as nice as an AK comes...........but its still an AK..... a very nice ak......but an AK. :rolleyes:

Would I shell out 1500-2000 for a milled preban AK47? Maybe if 2,000 wasnt a lot of money to me. And to some 2,000 isn't that much money. I wouldnt argue with them buying what is perhaps the nicest AK available for the money. For my hard earned dollars however, I would rather have a couple WASRs and money to get a few other rifles.

Just my humble opinion.

Gelgoog
April 2, 2010, 04:34 PM
well they are nice, but not the nicest AK. That title goes to the valmets.

Prince Yamato
April 2, 2010, 06:16 PM
Polytech AKs are based off of the Chinese Type 56 (at least the pre-89s are). They are built with thicker receivers and barrels. In general the metalwork is just "better" than a standard AK. Polytech is also part of China North Industries (aka Norinco), the corporate end of the People's Army. So you basically get a real military gun when you buy a Polytech.

Maj Dad
April 2, 2010, 06:34 PM
I have a Poly Tech from the early to mid-80's imported by Kengs Firearms, Atlanta - it is very well made, fit and finish-wise, and shoots an honest 3" group at 100 yds with Wolf and Chinese ammo. It has been shot probably 200-300 rds & that's it. No scratches, no dings, and the wood is a very nice blond. Compared to some of the eastern European versions, it is a crown jewel among swine. I came into it via a trade and am not an afficionado of AKs, but its quality speaks for itself.

CA2005
April 2, 2010, 06:42 PM
They are the best quality AK ever available to the US market...period. They are 100% military grade and very, very well made and nicely finished. Plus, none have been imported since 1989, nor will they ever be again.

I know people say Arsenals are nice, Valmets (only AK based), Vepr, etc. These people are not wrong...but these guns cannot match the Polytech as far as quality. Especially if we're comparing them to the milled Polytech Legend.

nalioth
April 2, 2010, 06:49 PM
well they are nice, but not the nicest AK. That title goes to the valmets. Valmets aren't Kalashnikovs.

They're rifles based on the Kalashnikov.

No disputing they're nice, though (just not an AK).



The PolyTechs are actual Kalashnikov klones.

mshootnit
April 2, 2010, 09:40 PM
If you ever shot a really slick milled AK you would know why they go for that price.

CA2005
April 2, 2010, 10:36 PM
If you ever shot a really slick milled AK you would know why they go for that price.
Very true.

chihuahuatn
April 2, 2010, 11:02 PM
They are the best quality AK ever available to the US market...period. They are 100% military grade and very, very well made and nicely finished. Plus, none have been inported since 1989, nor will they ever be again.

I know people say Arsenals are nice, Valmets (only AK based), Vepr, etc. These people are not wrong...but these guns cannot match the Polytech as far as quality. Especially if we're comparing them to the milled Polytech Legend.

Lets not forget about the Steyr Maadi AK's, emphases on Steyr imported AK's. Some things about the Chinese ones are inarguably better. But there is just something about a Maadi they were the closest thing to a real Russian and were made on Russian tooling.

Hiaboo
April 2, 2010, 11:02 PM
Major reason; preban.

nathan
April 2, 2010, 11:12 PM
THey are so sweet to shoot. THe trigger breaks like glass. Oh yeah, CHicom babies are hard to find nowadays. NO more cheap AKs from China so the prices shooots way up there.

CA2005
April 2, 2010, 11:14 PM
Lets not forget about the Steyr Maadi AK's, emphases on Steyr imported AK's. Some things about the Chinese ones are inarguably better. But there is just something about a Maadi they were the closest thing to a real Russian and were made on Russian tooling.
Good catch, I totally forgot about the preban Steyr Maadi rifles. They were very good as well. And as you mentioned, very close to a Soviet AKM.

ijosef
April 3, 2010, 12:02 AM
Can you imagine what kind of impact the lifting of the Chinese import ban would have?
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/index.shtm

I know those are Canuckistan dollars, but imagine $139 Norinco SKSs, $350 1911s, etc. I'm sure the AKs would be down in the basement as well. It would sure anger a lot of dealers with old "pre-ban" inventory though, as I'm sure prices would plummet. It would be hard to sell that crusty old SKS for $250 when people could order them in better condition for half that.

CA2005
April 3, 2010, 12:19 AM
Can you imagine what kind of impact the lifting of the Chinese import ban would have?
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/index.shtm

I know those are Canuckistan dollars, but imagine $139 Norinco SKSs, $350 1911s, etc. I'm sure the AKs would be down in the basement as well. It would sure anger a lot of dealers with old "pre-ban" inventory though, as I'm sure prices would plummet. It would be hard to sell that crusty old SKS for $250 when people could order them in better condition for half that.
This would be very awesome. Even if we couldn't get the Chinese AK, the SKS new production at low prices would be outstanding.

Prince Yamato
April 3, 2010, 12:50 AM
The heck with that, what about the M14 clone?

CA2005
April 3, 2010, 01:13 AM
That would be cool too...nice forged receiver at a reasonable price....can't beat that.

ijosef
April 3, 2010, 02:24 AM
If you ever shot a really slick milled AK you would know why they go for that price.
I guess I'll get the chance to see for myself soon enough. It's still hard for me to believe that a rifle that was $300 twenty years ago is now over $1500 primarily for performance based reasons. I'd like to compare it with my WASR... to be fair, that's a gun that took under $200 ten years ago and now commands at least twice that.

CA2005
April 3, 2010, 02:30 AM
Times change. We didn't know what we had back then. Inflation and such makes these good AKs worth that, especially when cheaper weapons broke into the market. The difference is obvious upon first sight, let alone working the action or firing them. The Chinese could back in the 1980's (and probably still can) crank out these high quality AKs much cheaper than modern Western companies.

Chinese make a lot of junk, but when it comes to small arms, this is not the case. Their AK and SKS series weapons are top notch, and the best of the best.

nalioth
April 3, 2010, 02:44 AM
Inflation and such makes these good AKs worth that How quickly we forget that at the time, the Chinese AKs held the same spot at the WASR does today - low end crapola.

wayne in boca
April 3, 2010, 04:31 AM
A Norinco MAK 90 is every bit the equal of a Polytech in every way except cost.It was made under one roof in a Chinese military factory with a 1.6 MM receiver and military grade fire control parts.Still the best bang for the buck in AK's.

nathan
April 3, 2010, 09:33 AM
A lot of villification of the AK 47 was back then bec of its commie connection. Red China just fired on its own people at TIananmen Square and Americans for the most part were outrage in 1989. And of course a lot of elitist feelings that anything from the commie world is crap and of no good.

Now after twenty plus odd years thing s have changed. Opinions changed as well. But for most American arms makers they would thank good ole CLinton for banning these cheap imports and thus curtailing their endless supply and subsequent competition in the market.

Even the recent ban of AK barrel imports is another way to stop a good AK design from making it to the streets.

BamAlmighty
April 3, 2010, 12:00 PM
Vepr AKs are well worth the $900-$1000 they go for now, 1 moa out of the box... can't argue with that.

My only regret is not buying more than the one.

ijosef
April 3, 2010, 01:54 PM
Vepr AKs are well worth the $900-$1000 they go for now, 1 moa out of the box... can't argue with that.

My only regret is not buying more than the one.
I know I'm going to regret this, but how much did they cost when new (back in the day)?

nathan
April 3, 2010, 03:00 PM
2004 i got a new in box MAK 90 from Gunbroker. It cost me $400 to my door after shipping and FFl fee. And its one of the best shooting AKs i have . Glad i did. But if i had bought it in 1998 it would had been only $250 plus tax in gunshows.

BamAlmighty
April 3, 2010, 08:39 PM
I know I'm going to regret this, but how much did they cost when new (back in the day)?
I paid just under $500 for mine.

http://www.wetworks.info/imgs/vepr.jpg

HorseSoldier
April 3, 2010, 10:17 PM
If you ever shot a really slick milled AK you would know why they go for that price.

I've trained on .mil Bulgarian 5.56 rifles with milled receivers and Galils, and didn't find anything about either that would justify a higher price tag for milled versus stampled.

CA2005
April 5, 2010, 06:50 PM
How quickly we forget that at the time, the Chinese AKs held the same spot at the WASR does today - low end crapola.
Can you state what it is about the Chinese AK that makes them WASR like in quality? What do they not do right in their build and manufacture of the components?

If you can explain the above quote, you'll have me sold. Otherwise, I have a hard time understanding how a milled Polytech Legend with nicely finished wood and metal, never any issues with canted FSB, forged fire control parts, thick chrome lined hammer forged AK47 barrel, etc is same as a WASR.

State here the facts that make the Chinese AK crap. I remember everyone assumed and called them "Chinese junk" during the 80's...due to ignorance and bias towards Chinese made goods. I suspect the same here.

This is the same low end Chinese AK that from Vietnam that kept firing while our troops were knocking stuck casings from the M16 with a cleaning rod.

nalioth
April 5, 2010, 09:02 PM
How quickly we forget that at the time, the Chinese AKs held the same spot at the WASR does today - low end crapola.
Can you state what it is about the Chinese AK that makes them WASR like in quality? What do they not do right in their build and manufacture of the components? You're reading more into it than I meant.

Jim88
May 7, 2010, 01:34 PM
A Norinco MAK 90 is every bit the equal of a Polytech in every way except cost.It was made under one roof in a Chinese military factory with a 1.6 MM receiver and military grade fire control parts.Still the best bang for the buck in AK's.
No way, No how, and No comparison! The Mak90 does not even come close to a POLYTECH LEGEND AK47, not even the stamped version....

The MAK90 is like a Nissan (Japanese rice burner) and the POLY is like a 455 Buick Skylark (USA iron tough) assembled like a Rolls Royce. LOL

FYI - The MAK90 is a frankenstein AK (Maadi receiver with the remainder Chinese) all put together (pinned) by drones with mallets....

daskro
May 7, 2010, 02:24 PM
Pre-89 AK and AK variants such a Polytechs, Norinco, Valmets, Galil, and Maadis are all 100% factory rifles in their original military configurations and can no longer be imported into the US. As such they command a certain collectors' value due to these factors.

Mechanically and practically speaking there's no difference between them and the variety of AKs on the market today. People are not buying these type of guns for a practical purposes, they're buying them for collectors' value.

vanfunk
May 8, 2010, 05:20 AM
FYI - The MAK90 is a frankenstein AK (Maadi receiver with the remainder Chinese) all put together (pinned) by drones with mallets

There is little that is correct in this sentence. You are confusing the MAK-90 with the MISR, which was a MAK-90 parts kit built on a MAADI receiver. As to the barrel being pressed and pinned, yes, stamped receiver MAK-90s have their barrels pressed in and pinned, and so do about 50 million well-functioning AK-pattern rifles. It is hardly a problem.

vanfunk

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