Why doesn't someone make "whacking" grips?

A nice pointy metal protrusion on a revolver grip or a nice pointy extension for the mainspring housing on the 1911?

For those times when you wish to persuade without noise?

;)

Now that's not very PC, and not really as effective as the firearm itself (I would hope). If you're defending yourself it doesn't really matter if you're quite as the bad guys are generally coming to you so once the SHTF noise level isn't all that important.

I think mainly because it just adds weight and bulk to a ranged weapon for use when you've really screwed up so bad that it's not likely to help. If you need a melee capable weapon you should have had a rifle to start with, and now it should have a bayonet. No point in going half-??? in that situation ;)

1) Because companies such as C.R.K.T, and Benchmade exist
2) Because perhaps you are the first to honestly concieve of such a thing
And
**3)** ...........Because it would be too similar to a bayonet on a rifle, and would create a reason for the communi....ahem...legislators, to enact new laws reating to evil features on pistols. Therefore subjecting us all to more unconstitutional violations of our god given rights to own objects that are capable of inflicting harm upon our fellow man.
Just a couple ideas.:D

Also, I kinda' think the idea of being discreet sorta' goes out the window after the first time you bludgeon the poor bas#@^d with it anyway. Simply because at that point, he will most likely be screaming in agonizing pain, thereby alerting others to your presence. A definate covert no-no. James Bond would not approve! ROFLMFAO!!!!!:p

Bill Jordan said "It is actually harder to convince the coroner's jury that you didn't hit somebody too hard than it is to show you didn't shoot him too much."

laynard loops
avail on mspg housing for 1911
1917s had them as did other revos
gunsmith can add to base of frame, you know canoeing, afield, where you hate to lose a firearm...IIRC there are other uses, like opening bottle caps ...
handy

Because eventually you'd have gun-swords, and that's best left in Final Fantasy games...

It's been done. It was even on the cover of American Handgunner 8-9 years ago, IIRC.

A skull crusher would snag clothing silly man! :)

It's been done. It was even on the cover of American Handgunner 8-9 years ago, IIRC.

That's probably it. I was thinking GUNS magazine around '94. I recall a 1911 with the 'skull crusher' featured. I think it was a special mainspring housing that was pointed and extended about an inch below the magwell.

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Make rapid reloads a bit dicey. No things.
I have found that the cylinder/barrel of a full weight revovler does a smashing job of smashing goblins.
If you need more... pull the trigger.

Tim Burke has it right, I believe it was Allen (Alan?) Zita that did that piece. It also had a stand off device bolted to the dust cover (M1911 series) that would keep the slide from being pushed out of battery if you pressed it against someone. I think it had a shrouded hammer to keep someone from blocking the hammer as well. Nice concept pistol, would love to find some more pictures of it.

Article reported it not being an issue for reloads, the spike was swept back slightly and it wasn't exactly razor sharp. Would make you concentrate on your form during reload drills I think.

that was done in the movie equilibrium too. They had some really sweet looking guns there. Awesome gunplay as well. They had about 10 little "pins" that popped out the bottom of the magazine. he then grabbed the guns by the barrels and used them as bludgeoning weapons. Not very save but cool looking on screen.

I second George Hill's point. How am I supposed to reload quickly without cutting my hand? CCW seems iffy also.
Matchlock pistols had skull crushers built into the grip. You could reverse the gun and use as a mace.

I saw a 1911 with a spiked knuckle duster mouted on the frame once.. Gun Digest I think.

Would be the same as CCWing brass knucks.. ILLEGAL.

They have been making melee weapons/hand guns for as long as pistols have existed. The idea didnt make sense 200 years ago. And it really still doesnt. If you can club someone with a pistol then you can shoot them with it too. If its a "level of force" thing clubbing someone on the head or stabbing them are both considered deadly force anyways so your arent saving anything there anyhow.

I think people underestimate the potential need for using your pistol as an impact weapon.

Here's one possible senario

you're walking down a dark and lonely sidewalk on the right side of the road. You're left handed.

A creep jumps out from between two buildings on your right side and attempts to grapple you whilst screaming for your money. Your left hand goes to your pistol and begins the draw but he is already on you (not too unlikey remember the 21 foot rule). Your right hand is up and contacts the attacker at his left shoulder. Your left completes the draw and brings your automatic across your chest. Fearing hitting your own right hand you bring the pistol in close with the attacker aiming COM by point alone. You pull the trigger... click.....dud? broken gun? no round in the chamber? hangfire? who knows? whatever it is you're left with an attack in progress in your right hand and a gun that doesn't work in your left.

I'm not going to let to with my right to rack the slide, I'm going to rack his slide with my left.

You could think up dozens of these. And naturally there are other solutions, but it seems to me if you already have a hard, relatively club shaped instrument in your hand that's a lot quicker than going for a knife or trying to turn it back into a gun.

This all goes back to the idea that self-defense isn't just a gun... it's a system.

The Spiked Knuckle 1911 :)

http://www.tjscustomgunworks.com/Photos1/HELLGUN.jpg

I would tend to agree with our lefty friend WheelMan, the use of a handgun as an impact weapon is realistic. In spite of what C_Yeager thinks I can see the potential use of my pistol as a less than lethal bludgeon. A thrust to the ribcage or abdomen using a drawn handgun is not going to be veiwed as a lethat attack. Strikes to the head may be but strikes to the body, probably not. History supports this useage too, how many times did Wyatt Earp use his Colt to drop someone without firing a shot? He shot few people in his career but he 'buffaloed' dozens. Many lawmen used this technique up into the mid 70s, then times began to change for the law enforcement community. Thrusting the muzzle into someones chest would be better with a revolver than an auto but either would be viewed as more friendly than shooting them.

Yeah, why did Wyatt Earp favor long barreled pistols? Because they are better to buffalo people with.

And this shows up in movies. Ron Perlman's character had bladed pistols in Blade II. The beretta 92s in Equilibrium had the pistol whipping spikes and the heat shields/flash suppressors for this reason as well.

They break. Both the bit added to the pistol and the pistol itself. What did you pay for the sights on your pistol? What would it cost to replace them? Get a walking stick.

They break. Both the bit added to the pistol and the pistol itself. What did you pay for the sights on your pistol? What would it cost to replace them? Get a walking stick.

$67... now what would it cost to replace your life? I think that's the more important question.

I think you're right to say there's a reasonable possibility of needing to use a hadgun as a bludgeon. Fortunately, like any lump of metal, anything bigger than an Airweight should get the job done well without resorting to spikes or other protrusions. I am certain the butt of my Series 70 could be lethal.

There is an article-length ad in a fairly recent Shotgun News titled, "Whack him with a .45" and was about some sort of black tactical device you can attach to your .45 which allows you to use the barrel end like a club or a kubotan without worrying about the slide being forced back and the action opened during that use.

I forget who made that thing, but it was in the magazine.

I'll look for it.

hillbilly

Is he suggesting I shoot someone with a walking stick? If I strike someone with my pistol it is because I had to wait until the last possible instant to decide on either shooting or beating the rat bastard. The walking stick only allows me to beat someone and while it can be either lethal or non lethal it's reach is limited. The pistol can certainly be lethal and at contact distance it can be nonlethal but it's reach is far better. The stick also requires far more skill to use and requires a more aggressive nature by the wielder. Takes more strength, speed and skill than does a handgun and it gives a few more options. While I am at it I will add that it is far easier to carry a concealed handgun all day than a walking stick. Hard for me to go about my daily life keeping my staff at hand, might raise a few questions for me while picking up groceries on the way home.

45R:

That's just plain evil, man....

Although if i need something 'pointy' on a weapon, I'll flip out the bayonet on my Mosin-Nagant M-44 rfile....

:D

Jake 98c/11b - Good to see you on the board again.
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Shouldn't you be buffing your dome?
:p

Because pointed parts of handguns tend to get hung up on persons.....and........if you are out of ammo, using the muzzle jab technique is already pretty good.

1. It would suck to conceal.
2. If concealment isn't a problem, i.e. you are carrying it openly on your webbing then you can carry a knife which would be a whole lot better.
3. It makes the gun heavier.
4. It is one more thing that can break and tie up your gun.
5. I would have no problem defending myself in court if I bashed a guy in the head with my pistol in self defense, but I think it would be harder to defend if I impaled him through the skull with a purpose built spike.
6. It has been done, ZM Weapons did make one. It was called the Skull Crusher. It was in American Handgunner. Apparently it didn't exactly sell like hotcakes. :)
7. We ain't in the old west anymore. If you are a CCWer, you can't conceal a gun that is good for buffaloing. If you are a cop that is what ASPs are for. If you are military then that is what that big honking knife is for.

There ain't nothing wrong with smacking a guy in the head with your gun. A good friend of mine did so with a meth head mugger once. :p But building a gun so that it makes a better impact weapons strikes me as silly. There are trade offs for everything.

I agree with what Jim Watson (& Bill Jordan ) said.

No buffing needed George, that sheen is natural. Don't get to drop in as much as I would like but now and again I get to drop by. You headed this way any time soon. Have the preliminary drawings done for the new range to show you if you are interested.

Available from a dealer near you:

I don't think I'll be back that way unless something tragic happens, or something really really good happens. I'm a college boy again.
You guys need to relocate to near that Racetrack in Midlothian... Near Genito or on Genito. Build a whole new joint out there.


Mushinto - That was just wrong.