[TheOtherOne]

Okay so my title is a bit out there but it's still a serious question. After reading a post in another forum here and then searching around and finding all the different things that can be successfully used as suppressors, I had some questions about what a silencer/suppressor really was. I found the definition:

18 U.S.C. section 921(a) (24) (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/921.html#921.a_24) The terms ''firearm silencer'' and ''firearm muffler'' mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.


http://www.ontarget-inc.com/suppressors/socomm.jpg
Now, one of these will diminish the report of a portable firearm and I know it's illegal to even have one in your possession (without proper tax, paperwork, approval etc.). Whether you use it on a gun or not, you'll still go to prison for having one.



http://www.loyalty.com.au/coke/coke_bottle.jpg
One of these will also diminish the report of a portable firearm, but can it really be illegal to have one of them?

[sm]

The way I understand it, one is allowed to have plastic coke bottles--However--if one uses the coke bottle to suppress it then falls into instrument of crime , then heads roll.

Interesting how a rock or stick is part of nature, pick one up and defend yourself the rock or stick is now instrument of crime ...when the BG sues you for defending yourself...

probably falls under the BATFEP...Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives and Plastics...

[jimpeel]

It is so easy to make a suppressor it's ridiculous. Note the parts that qualify as "including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, ..." that any of you have in or around your home.

The link below is but one of many that describe the means by which one goes about making one. The banner links at the below site are risque so be aware that there is some adult content there that you wouldn't want your child looking over your shoulder when you go there. Thus, I have broken the link into two pieces that you will have to copy and paste to see the site.

http://www.linkbase.

org/make-silencer/

A good descriptive narration of the effectiveness of suppressors, sub vs hypersonic ammo, suppressor construction and pro/con effects of construction, etc. is here: http://www.geocities.com/furrylogic2/suppressed.html

[Baba Louie]

Why not just pay the tax and have some fun? $200 isn't what it was back in 1934 and its probably better than risking everything... 'sides that... Its THR way to do things :D

Sometimes earmuffs are just a nuisance.

Adios

[TheOtherOne]

I'm not interested in making a suppressor or breaking any laws. I'm mainly just wondering if coke bottles are a suppressor? If you do want to test it out one day and see what it sounds like if you shoot a .22 through it, do you need to fill out the paperwork, pay a $200 transfer tax and wait for BATF approval?

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Sounds like a valid scientific experiment to me:evil:

or, you were having trouble shooting it at a distance and you just wanted to get closer to check your sights:D

[Orthonym]

Does an indoor range with walls so thick that it doesn't hurt your ears to stand outside count as a suppressor? Is a pile of bricks a suppressor?

I thought the gizmo actually had to be attached/attachable to the weapon to count. Saw an ad somewhere, once, for drawings to make a "muffler" (part of the building, next to a window). Would that count?

[Standing Wolf]

Silencers would be a kindness to what's left of my hearing.

[Orthonym]

I think of the people who buy houses near old established shooting ranges and complain about the noise.

I think of deer-control squads having to use suppressed weapons in new 'burbs so as not to frighten the yuppies who complained about Lyme disease and said deer eating their azaleas.

[Orthonym]

I imagine how nice, and what a fun bonding experience, it would be to hunt rats in the garage with my cat without scaring the poo out of the poor critter. (I'm serious!)

Don't forget Joy Adamson proved that a lioness makes an EXCELLENT bird dog.:D

[Preacherman]

probably falls under the BATFEP...Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives and Plastics...Nope - DEA. After all, coke is their business...

:neener: :p :D

[CleverNickname]

I've got a couple glass bottles, some rags, gas, and matches. I guess the BATF will be invading/burning down my house soon because I have everything necessary to make a Molotov cocktail.

Anyway, to be a suppressor, it has to be attached to a firearm (so a pile of bricks isn't a suppressor. :rolleyes: ) Plus, it has to be readily usable in such a form that in the state it's in it doesn't have another legal use. So while merely possessing duck tape, a plastic liter bottle and a firearm doesn't make you in possession of a suppressor (unless the tape/bottle is actually attached to the firearm), a piece of metal that's been machined to interface between a firearm's muzzle threads on one end and the threads on the mouth of a liter bottle on the other end, is. The reason is that piece of metal has no other use. How do I know? Because it was tried awhile back. The guy who made it tried to argue that a solid piece of metal with no baffles couldn't be a suppressor, and that it would only be a suppressor once the bottle (which he didn't supply) was attached. However the BATFE said they'd take him to court if he didn't follow the NFA, so it didn't pan out.

:Edit:
Here's a page on such an adapter. (http://www.kaehny.de/export/ppk.htm) I ran across the link in another thread. I believe the one in the US was designed for a MAC subgun, though.

[Orthonym]

I don't have my "Machinery's Handbook" handy at the moment, but I betcha the threads on the end of ANY threaded barrel are probably something common, for which you could buy a tap or die at any good hardware store.

I can imagine (and I'm not all that creative) two or three situations in which I might want to connect a soft-drink bottle to a piece of pipe, with no criminal, nay malicious, nor even rude intent.

[carpettbaggerr]

If you do want to test it out one day and see what it sounds like if you shoot a .22 through it, do you need to fill out the paperwork, pay a $200 transfer tax and wait for BATF approval?

Yes.

[jimpeel]

Um ... what about those expanding gases entering the bottle and blowing it off of the end of the firearm? Even with the handy-dandy muzzle/bottle adapter, what keeps the bottle from being blown off?

[Orthonym]

The traditional Mafia/anybody-who-needs-one suppressor.

[Edward429451]

Um ... what about those expanding gases entering the bottle and blowing it off of the end of the firearm? Even with the handy-dandy muzzle/bottle adapter, what keeps the bottle from being blown off?

Now I've certainly never done this, me being the law abiding citizen and all, but its the duct tape, or so I theorize, heard, think, but not done. I've heard that the wide mouth Mtn Dew bottles or even the 2 liter bottles are the plastic bottle of choice of those scoundrels that would attempt such a thing. With the bottle taped tightly to the muzzle, it basically shoots through the same ragged hole and stays in place rather nicely. At least with 22's is what I heard. I haven't heard anything about anything larger in caliber.

[Moparmike]

If you wanted to be really high-teck about it, you could take a 2-liter, and saw the bottom of it off. Then you take some fiberglass insulation and make sure that the paper is touching the plastic, sort of lining the bottle with insulation. Make sure there is a hole all the way down the middle. Tape the bottom back on, which is filled with insulation as well, save for a small hole. Tape the bottle on to the firearm.

Now I have never tried this, but I did think it up during the minute it took for me to read the entire thread. :D And they think banning something instantly makes it imposible to duplicate....:eek: :uhoh: :scrutiny:

So, if you are in possession of duct tape, a 2-liter bottle, and some left over R-19, then you are screwed. Otherwise, its all good. Hmm, I wonder what filling a bottle with spray foam would do...

[clubsoda22]

The posession of a coke bottle in itself is not a crime, but ad a roll of duct tape to the mix....

[cracked butt]

a piece of metal that's been machined to interface between a firearm's muzzle threads on one end and the threads on the mouth of a liter bottle on the other end, is. The reason is that piece of metal has no other use. How do I know? Because it was tried awhile back. The guy who made it tried to argue that a solid piece of metal with no baffles couldn't be a suppressor, and that it would only be a suppressor once the bottle (which he didn't supply) was attached. However the BATFE said they'd take him to court if he didn't follow the NFA, so it didn't pan out.



I wonder what would have happened if the inventor of this contraption marketed it as something else? Maybe a fishing weight or something. I'm sure someone else would have been smart enough to figure out the firearms related use for it sooner or later.:evil:

[Hal]

Are gun owners allowed to own plastic coke bottles? (NFA) NFA probably not.

Ohio revised code R.C. 2923.24 - - you betcha it's against the law.

See, here in Ohio were all considered uncaught felons.

That's what a police state is all about. So many felony laws are passed, and the definition is so vague, it's impossible not to break them.

[WonderNine]

Pillows and potatoes do the job.

[Leatherneck]

I've never thought about this, and I never, ever would. :evil: You guys are trying to get me in trouble for just having this thread on my 'puter! Now go back and be properly servile, please. :rolleyes:

TC
TFL Survivor

[Tierhog]

What about a lawnmower muffler?

[Master Blaster]

I saw a movie on TV once where the bad guy who was a teacher, decided to off his girlfriend (based on a true story) and he used an oil filter, of some type with a hole in the end, the filter has threads already and the barrel of the gun was threaded to accept the filter threads.

A $3 suppressor use it a few times and discard.

Warning dont try this you could blow you self and your gun up.

This is illegal and being mentioned for entertainment pruposes under the 1st amendment.

[sm]

Preacherman:
Nope - DEA. After all, coke is their business...
Yeah I thought I about that, however, what about the root beer ( granted slitting hairs with the 'beer' part) or any other "sodas". Not to mention, though I don't drink, I just thinks it's wrong to see fine "spirits" in plastic containers. I can see some fella using a "spirit" bottle for this and the alphabet agencies arguing over juridiction...

What is this world coming to? Gives me more respect for "moonshiners" of yore ( ?"ahem) , at least they made a honest living and not on dole...and the mason jars were glass.

I have used suppressors, not for any reason in particular, but to keep noise down for hearing ( one's own , other's) . Just how many "bad rashes of crime" have supressors been involved in?

IIRC the only case a "machine gun" used in a crime was that of a LEO many many years ago.

Gun Control and all these restrictions...phooey!

[clange]

Why not just pay the tax and have some fun?
That'd be great..if they were legal in my state.

[tiberius]

Why not just pay the tax and have some fun? $200 isn't what it was back in 1934 and its probably better than risking everything... 'sides that... Its THR way to do things

Its not the tax that I mind....well as much anyway. Its the fact that I (or anyone else) cannot possess such an item without the express permission of the "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" of my area. I have no idea if he would agree or not, but I am not about to go begging hat in hand for permission to pay $200 so I can own a threaded pipe. If it was "shall issue" unless they could prove that I was a convicted felon or diagnosed nutjob (likeCHL licenses) I would probably go ahead and do it because it would be fun to play with. As it is, I'll do without.....and just complain about it :)

[Kharn]

If it mounts to the firearm and makes it quieter, it requires a tax stamp.

Bench-mounted items (like a row of tires or whatever) do not require a stamp.

Kharn

[jsalcedo]

SOF had an article about 20 years ago describing the plastic bottle silencer. They said it worked well .