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lgbloader
April 4, 2010, 05:01 PM
Hey THR Folks,

I didn't want to hijack a thread but who has used 'The Load' in 30 caliber rifles?

Please post your experiences with this and also advise the size caliber you assembled ammo for.

Thanks and cheers...

LGB

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rcmodel
April 4, 2010, 05:09 PM
I have not, mainly because I never had any need to shoot .30 cal rifles at that speed.
I have lots of other rifles in smaller calibers such as 25-20 WCF, 32-20 WCF, .30 Carbine, & 30-30, that do anything I need to do like that as well or better.

If I were going to do it, I would use Trail Boss as outlined in the April 2010 Handloader magazine. Seems like the safest way in any caliber & most likely to give the best results.

rc

lgbloader
April 4, 2010, 05:11 PM
I need to get that issue because I thought Trailboss was only good for Lead?

LGB

rcmodel
April 4, 2010, 05:15 PM
See this about that.
Right from the horses mouth. (Hodgdon)

http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf

Handloader magazine testing resulted in bullet instability and poor accuracy in several calibers at the MAX load minus 30% starting loads very low velocity.

I think reducing 30% for the Starting load is probably overly cautious, and probably more then necessary.

rc

zxcvbob
April 4, 2010, 05:22 PM
I've used it in .30-06 with Berry's plated .30-30 bullets. Very accurate but IIRC they shoot low. I tried a few late last year, liked them, then loaded up a whole bunch and haven't been back to the rifle range yet.

rcmodel
April 4, 2010, 05:26 PM
That's another reason I have never done it.

Light gallery loads do not shoot to the same POI as the full power loads the gun is sighted in with.

I ain't fooling with scope or iron sight adjustments just to kill a few 100 yard beer cans with light gallery loads.

rc

Offfhand
April 4, 2010, 06:16 PM
"The Load" Why am I laughing? Check the source.

joneb
April 4, 2010, 07:58 PM
I worked up some reduced loads for a bolt action .308 Win. with Blue Dot (I gave up on BD for pistol and don't reload shotgun) and Nosler 125gr Ballistic tips (I bought a bunch of factory 2nds at their Pro Shop) I was able to achieve sub MOA accuracy with this combination. The recoil of this load could be compared to the difference between .38spl and .357 Mag, this load was clean and the barrel stayed cool compared to standard loads. I was quite pleased with it, but as mentioned the POI is somewhere else :)

R.W.Dale
April 4, 2010, 08:09 PM
I have in the past, particularly with 8x57 and 30-30wcf. But gave up on the practice after noticing that with just about any Kboomed rifle report you can find some variation of "the load" gone bad was a result. At that point I decided that the benefit (I never found one see post 6) far far outstripped the potential consistences. If I want my rifles to shoot like they're chambered for a handgun round I'll buy em chambered for a handgun cartridge.

joneb
April 4, 2010, 08:55 PM
If I want my rifles to shoot like they're chambered for a handgun round I'll buy em chambered for a handgun cartridge.
I wish I could afford so many rifles.
If none of us were willing to sail uncharted waters we would all still be throwing stones and waving pointy sticks about.
But still, I see your point :)

lakerfan5858
April 4, 2010, 10:13 PM
Damn i think i am missing something because i have no idea what (The Load) means:o

Walkalong
April 4, 2010, 10:17 PM
Google is your friend - Red Dot - The Load (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=The+Load+-+Red+dot&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=The+Load+-+Red+dot&gs_rfai=&fp=ca6b5a4f84435186)

lgbloader
April 4, 2010, 11:21 PM
"The Load" Why am I laughing? Check the source.

What's wrong with Ed Harris? or am I missing something?

LGB

aprayinbear
April 5, 2010, 06:16 AM
I've been loading twelve grains Red dot under a 135 grain Beartooth bullet for my Mosin. Bottom line..... great results, very accurate for an old warhorse and with virtually no recoil (as compared to standard military rounds.) And since I'm a target shooter on a budget that's all good news to me. Someone expressed concern over the risk of double loads, but a double load fills the case up to the bottom of the neck. That's hard to miss.:D

robctwo
April 5, 2010, 10:17 AM
I've been shooting "the load" in my 20" Savage .308. I like the 110 gr speer hp and spire point, and the 110 gr Hornady spire point. Zeroed at 50 yds is zeroed at 100 yd. I've also run some 150 gr fmj, but have no need for that much bullet weight.

These are for fooling around, or small critters. In the original article they were developed for a small game/bird round to run through the hunting rifle.

Fatelvis
April 5, 2010, 11:02 AM
I haven't tried the Red Dot "Load" yet, but have shot Harris's 16 grns. of 2400 load, and it is great. If the Red Dot load is anything like the 2400 load, it should be a winner. It's definately on my "to-do"list. Oh, by the way, if Ed is reading this, how may grains of Red Dot should I use in a 30-30 with a Lyman 311401 (173 grn) bullet?

Remo-99
April 5, 2010, 11:31 AM
If your using a particular high powdered rifle for a special low powered purpose, such as low cost pest animal erradication and such with cast lead slugs, as I often do.
While I do agree "the load" is one starting point, there are other "loads" worth exploring also.
In my 308win 11 grains of Trail Boss with a cast 150gr bullet is very accurate out to a hundred yards(producing cloverleaf groups @100yds), allowing for several inches drop.

The rifle is sighted for 150gr softpoint hunting loads, which I usually carry in my pocket for any need that arises.

The cast lead ammo costs me around 5 cents per, where as the the hunting ammo costs around 30-40 cents per. It adds up fast when using a k or 2 per month for controlling pests.

And since I like to use my favorate rifle for practice(if that's ya can call it) then that's what I use, anyhow.
;)

Kernel
April 6, 2010, 04:30 AM
It adds up fast when using a k or 2 per month for controlling pests.

Remo, you're either a terrible shot or you've got a major problem with infestation. I'm guessing it's the later. What kinds of critters are giving you so much grief (and target practice)?

Remo-99
April 7, 2010, 12:57 PM
What kinds of critters are giving you so much grief (and target practice)?

I do a lot of pest erradication on a buddys property for him,(as well as some other properties) it's over 180,000 acres of grazing pastures and theres an abundance of rabbits, foxes, dingoes, goats, pigs, deer, etc that he is paying to feed whilst also trying to feed he's livestock(cattle, sheep).

Sometimes the pests get so thick, I can drive around and shoot hundreds of them and go back the very next day and it hasn't even put a dint in their populations.

you're either a terrible shot or you've got a major problem with infestation

I'd say approx 85-90% of shots are effective, occassionally miss or follow up shot needed.

But since he is happy to have someone shoot them and I don't mind the practice.

btw. The local pasture protection board just done a shoot from helicopters over the property, and they claimed they shot over 800 pigs in 2 days.

LeonCarr
April 7, 2010, 02:16 PM
PM Ed Harris for all the information you need to know on "The Load".

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

joneb
April 16, 2010, 10:27 PM
This from the Hodgdon's web sight for .308 Win.

168 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Titegroup .308" 2.800" 8.0 1080 25,000 CUP
168 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Clays .308" 2.800" 8.0 1060 26,800 CUP

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