can having a foid card prevent you from getting a job?


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BrotherIron
April 5, 2010, 12:57 AM
I want to take my girlfriend shooting at the nicer of my local ranges, but they require each person to possess a foid card. I told her to send in and get one ASAP so we can go shooting. but she is in the process of trying to find a career and doesn't want anything to stop her from getting a job. she is worried that if some employers find out she has a foid, they may think she is a gun nut or something and not hire her (we live in the ridiculous gun hating state known as Illinois). I think i already know the answer to this question, but can having a foid card prevent you from getting a job? do employers even have the ability to know if you have one? why would it even be an issue? I told her she would simply be exercising her 2nd amendment rights and that no one should be penalized for it, but I wanted to see what you guys/gals would think.

thank you in advance for your replies.

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David E
April 5, 2010, 01:01 AM
Used to live there........

I wouldn't worry in the least about having a FOID card keeping me from getting a job. I don't think they can access that kind of info. Even if they could and denied me a job as a result, I wouldn't want to work for them, anyway.

RevolvingGarbage
April 5, 2010, 01:26 AM
Oh how different our two states are...

Here in Florida, requiring someone to have an ID card to own a gun would be a felony as it would create an illegal registry of gun owners. Even if that wasn't illegal, we have laws that make it a crime to deny employment to people holding CCW or Armed guard licenses, as well as making it a crime to inquire in any way to a prospective employee whether or not they have a firearm in their vehicle.

Sorry if that was a bit off topic, wish I had more information to help!

joe_security
April 5, 2010, 10:07 AM
Tell her to hide that foid card in the back of her wallet. My friends in Chicago tell me that the police there may search people and vehicles upon seeing the foid card.

zoom6zoom
April 5, 2010, 10:13 AM
If you're in Mass., the card is required just to have OC spray, doesn't necessarily mean the holder is a gun owner.

BrotherIron
April 5, 2010, 10:28 AM
so basically no one can prevent hiring her because of possessing a FOID. thats basically what it comes down to. i would hate for some far left winged liberal to see that she has one and deny her of a job opportunity

BCCL
April 5, 2010, 10:38 AM
If she doesn't tell them she has one, they have no way of knowing.

rattletrap1970
April 5, 2010, 10:38 AM
Ummm. Whats a FOID

rmfnla
April 5, 2010, 10:48 AM
Firearms Owners ID card.

rattletrap1970
April 5, 2010, 10:50 AM
Ahh, I see. What state requires that?

Gunfighter123
April 5, 2010, 10:55 AM
If she doesn't tell them she has one, they have no way of knowing.

That is 100% correct ---- I have had a valid IL. FOID card for the last 35-40 years and have LOTS of jobs --- NONE knew if I was a firearm owner UNLESS I TOLD THEM !!!

Gunfighter123
April 5, 2010, 10:57 AM
RattleTrap ---- In Illinois , you must have a FOID card issued from the Il. State Police to own or posses a firearm OR AMMO. Just a way for the State to jip a few more dollars from us.

The_Pretender
April 5, 2010, 11:28 AM
Let's think about that a second... These gun owners of Illinois most certainly have jobs. There are members of the Illinois house and Senate that posses them.

Have you ever had an interview where you were asked if you owned guns?

I've had jobs where I am somewhat hesitant to bring it up when people ask me what I like to do or the subject comes up. However, I've made a lot of new friends by this subject coming up.

You should never have to feel like an outcast or a criminal for exercising your God given, Constitution-recognized/protected right.

I honestly wouldn't sweat it. Takes over six weeks for it to arrive anyway. Plenty of time to get a job. :)

EDIT: Better check into that range's rules and make sure that isn't just referring to the guy/girl showing up wanting to shoot. It is perfectly legal for someone that does not have a card to shoot in the presence of someone that does. Ranges usually throw a fit more about non-members. But immediate family, in my experience, is usually permitted.

rikman
April 5, 2010, 11:41 AM
I'm pretty sure you can take the girlfriend to the range and shoot "your" guns without her having a foid. Without one she can't rent the ranges nor purchase ammo or have ammo in her possession.

Rikman

MisterMike
April 5, 2010, 11:52 AM
I've been an IL resident since birth. I've never heard of anyone having any employment issues as the result of having been issued an FOID.

Gunfighter123
April 5, 2010, 02:00 PM
I'm pretty sure you can take the girlfriend to the range and shoot "your" guns without her having a foid.

NO she can not --- at least at any local Chicago-land ranges --- if she is shooting YOUR firearm , she IS IN possession of it !!! And at most gun shops -- you CAN NOT even pick up a gun to examine it without a FOID card --- YES , IT IS A VERY STUPID LAW !!!

tackstrp
April 5, 2010, 02:14 PM
Living in that state must really be taxing to ones mental health.

stonecutter2
April 5, 2010, 02:50 PM
Nobody knows you have a FOID unless you tell them. I live in IL and the only time anyone knows is if they see it.

Tell her to get it, leave it at home and not carry it with her unless she needs it.

No police background check or anything will identify her as a gun owner, as the FOID doesn't require a gun purchase to get it - so for all anyone knows, she just has the card so she can plink with her friend's .22 at the range once in awhile.

It's really not anything to worry about...at least as far as a job search.

JWF III
April 5, 2010, 02:56 PM
Even if they could and denied me a job as a result, I wouldn't want to work for them, anyway.

Would also make one heck of a nice payday after the discrimination lawsuit was over and done. But you'd have to have proof that was the reasoning behind it. Otherwise they could just make up some reason and get away with it.

Wyman

Jorg Nysgerrig
April 5, 2010, 02:58 PM
Would also make one heck of a nice payday after the discrimination lawsuit was over and done.
Since firearms owners aren't a protected class under any state or federal law, what would be the grounds for the suit? Perhaps Illinois has some laws I am unaware of, but as EEO laws wouldn't apply, I'm not sure what the basis of the suit would be. Not that any employer would give that as a cause for not hiring someone.

earlthegoat2
April 5, 2010, 03:12 PM
I would wager if an employer had a certain agenda and somehow knew anything that went against his agenda then, yes, they might deny you the job for that reason. It would be illegal but since when has that stopped employers from hiring their buddies instead of someone who was actually qualified.

Point is, it can happen and there is nothing you can do about it.

I think I have been turned down a number of times for things even more trivial than a FOID card (or in my case a CWL).

BCCL
April 5, 2010, 04:01 PM
Yes, she can shoot at a range if you are with her or someone else is, that is over 21 and has a valid FOID.

430 ILCS 65 FOID Information (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapAct=430%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B65%2F&ChapterID=39&ChapterName=PUBLIC+SAFETY&ActName=Firearm+Owners+Identification+Card+Act.)

(15) A person who is otherwise eligible to obtain a
Firearm Owner's Identification Card under this Act and is under the direct supervision of a holder of a Firearm Owner's Identification Card who is 21 years of age or older while the person is on a firing or shooting range or is a participant in a firearms safety and training course recognized by a law enforcement agency or a national, statewide shooting sports organization; and

bigalexe
April 5, 2010, 11:35 PM
The employer does not know you have an FOID unless they either steal your wallet or you tell them. If the FOID comes up on a criminal background check (which employers will do) that is ridiculous and I would say worth a case in court against the State of Illinois.

thub
April 5, 2010, 11:39 PM
I don't think I would stay in a state like that when you can live in America not too far away.

Clifford
April 5, 2010, 11:51 PM
FOID card, really!!!! How can that be legal? Thank god I live in AZ:D How many states/counties require this?

Encoreman
April 5, 2010, 11:57 PM
I can say this because I was born there, long ago. It was such a bad place that Lincoln moved to DC, now that's bad!!

BCCL
April 6, 2010, 08:07 AM
Believe me, that border into Kentucky is only 45 minutes away and looks better all the time!

If my entire family wasn't here, I'd be gone a long time ago. :)

mgregg85
April 6, 2010, 08:33 AM
The real solution to this problem is to move out of that dump called Illinois. Michigan or Indiana or, and I shudder to say this, Ohio would be far better.

cambeul41
April 6, 2010, 08:41 AM
Some years ago when interviewing for an engineering position, my wife was asked this: "This job is stressful. What do you do to relieve stress?"

"Well, I like to read." (Not a wonderful answer) "I like to take my dog for walks." (Not a wonderful answer) "But when I'm really stressed I go to the range and practice. I find pistol shooting to be very relaxing." Good answer! The all male interview team could then see her as fitting in. She got the job.

REPOMAN
April 6, 2010, 08:47 AM
BCCL..... Come on down brother!!!!!!! There's room for some more gunnuts in KY.... All is welcome ;)

Ohio Gun Guy
April 6, 2010, 09:02 AM
OH-IO

We're not quite Az or AK but there have been good improvements. We dont register Pistols, wait to but anything, register, or have FOIDs. Compaired to some of the states in the neighborhood, were doing well, and improving. We have Must issue Concealed Carry. A recent Constitutional Amendment striking down City gun bans (Still working on Cleveland). Our State Constiution has a very directly worded right to arms, "The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power."

Carl N. Brown
April 6, 2010, 09:45 AM
Here in Tennessee, the Memphis Commercial Appeal newspaper put up a website where you could type in a person's name and find out if they had a pistol carry permit because they felt it was info that people had a need to know (one of the reader comments in support of it was that it was a good thing so the reader would know who to shun). I typed in my name and got back my name and zip code. They used to post street address, but evil demon gun nut lobbists forced them to stop. Supposedly after getting the carry permit database open to the public, they were going to do the same for the registered sex offender database, but first things first.

I don't know if there is an Illinois site where the idly curious can type in a person's name and find out if they have a FOID, but given how some people hate guns and gun owners even more than they hate sex offenders, I would not be surprised.

BCCL
April 6, 2010, 10:04 AM
I don't know if there is an Illinois site where the idly curious can type in a person's name and find out if they have a FOID, but given how some people hate guns and gun owners even more than they hate sex offenders, I would not be surprised.

As of now no, it's only available to LEO's and (Dept. of Human Services) when they run certain checks.

Each evening the Illinois State Police Firearms Identification Record Bureau sends the Illinois Department of Human Services (IDHS) a list of
valid FOID card holders and DHS checks the list for any individuals who have been committed to a state hospital for mental health purposes.

essayons21
April 6, 2010, 10:26 AM
I don't think I would stay in a state like that when you can live in America not too far away.

Winner.

Ohio Gun Guy
April 6, 2010, 11:53 AM
I could go on, and on. But how about a lisence for these: (Sarcasm) :rolleyes::fire:

A lisence to practice religion or to exercise free speech
If you need A FOID why not permission to operate as a member of the press.

I'm not avocating these things, just applying their logic to other rights to show how crazy this stuff really is!

sonick808
April 7, 2010, 03:23 AM
i had a foid card for many years in IL, never had problem with jobs requiring considerable background checks.

I would still live in McLean county if the gun laws in IL weren't so screwed up

RippinSVT
April 7, 2010, 03:27 AM
I hate this state. HATE IT.

earlthegoat2
April 7, 2010, 05:52 AM
Anything in an employers market can keep you from getting a job.

They want 10 years of experience down here to be a machine operator.

A trained monkey can be a machine operator.

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