Bound to have been some good ones burned on this pile...


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farmallmta
April 7, 2010, 02:01 PM
Some rifles on this pile being burned in Nairobi, Kenya look like some oldie-but-goodies. How many can you identify?

http://www.time.com/time/picturesoftheweek/0,29409,1975392_2094440,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/picturesoftheweek/0,29409,1975392_2094440,00.html

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CoRoMo
April 7, 2010, 02:06 PM
Oh, I'd think most of those were good. They could have sold them off to some underfunded military or police force somewhere in the world, and made a lot of money that could have actually gone to good use. Hope none were loaded!

http://www.time.com/time/potw/20100325/potw_03.jpg

X-Rap
April 7, 2010, 02:07 PM
Those things have to make the UN lovers hearts skip a beat.

dovedescending
April 7, 2010, 02:09 PM
now i'm all depressed :(

X-Rap
April 7, 2010, 02:17 PM
Hillary is probably there with her marshmellows

RSVP2RIP
April 7, 2010, 02:25 PM
Kenya just made their carbon footprint a little larger. Stupid. They could have don't a million things to them other than burn em to raise money. Seems to me their GDP ain't so good. Now all they get is scrap iron.

Kentucky_Rifleman
April 7, 2010, 02:43 PM
Hmmm. That's positively heart-breaking to see. Kenya remains one of the most violent places on Earth, so I fail to see the logic of destroying weapons folks could use to defend themselves.

The caption labeled them all as "illegal weapons" which is incredibly vague. I wonder how many were confiscated from criminals as opposed to taken from otherwise law-abiding citizens trying to protect themselves in a place our state department flags as a danger zone for US travelers:

U.S. citizens in Kenya and those considering travel to Kenya should evaluate their personal security situation in light of continuing threats from terrorism and the high rate of violent crime.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_923.html

I also wonder how many homes / people were left defenseless by this fire?

KR

merlinfire
April 7, 2010, 02:47 PM
That's probably $100,000 or more worth of guns there. Even if it cost $5,000 to transport them and $15,000 to export them, thats $80,000 for food and medicine for the poorest people. I think sometimes ideology blinds people to the good that can be done with what you have.

Cosmoline
April 7, 2010, 02:53 PM
The arms in question are confiscated from the people who will be the target of massacres. The ones who do the killing don't give up their arms, and the blue hat "peace keepers" are too scared to confront them. It's happened over and over again all over Africa and even in the former Yugoslavia. They even require starving refugees to hand in their meager defensive arms in order to be given food.

ny32182
April 7, 2010, 03:00 PM
Feel-good crap at best, disarming future genocide victims at worst. :rolleyes:

Uncle Mike
April 7, 2010, 03:08 PM
Words cannot describe the sin that took place with those firearms being torched!

Those dudes probably will shoveling coal in hell for doing that! lol hehehehe

Seriously.... it is a shame that takes place, they could have given them to the members of a well known forum! lol

If you look really hard....you can see Charles Schumer and Dianne Feinstein's face in the smoke!

RP88
April 7, 2010, 03:58 PM
I see lots of FALs, AKs, mausers, maybe a Garand or two, some M16A1s, CETMEs and what also look like HK G-series and STG-series rifles.

I'd quintruple the 100,000 dollar value guesstimate on that depending on who they're sold to and assuming they get their money's worth.

Well, either way, for every dollars' worth of guns lost, give it a month and you'll have a body for every penny lost as well.

paintballdude902
April 7, 2010, 04:00 PM
i think im gonna cry.

i see a few Enfields, an M-16(i presume maybe an AR), G3, many AK's


they could have made a good chunk of change selling the rifles and parts kits on the surplus market here.

sterling180
April 7, 2010, 04:22 PM
i see a few Enfields, an M-16(i presume maybe an AR), G3, many AK's
Yes,I think your correct there.M16s are used by the Nigerain,Seirra Leonian&Yemen armed forces&its likely a few of them,might of gotten on to the black-market,via these armed forces.I know that the Zimbabwean&Rowandan armed forces,used H&K G3s.

SwampWolf
April 7, 2010, 04:28 PM
I'm surprised there's not a pile of books on fire nearby. :( :fire:

This photo should be required viewing for every gun owner in America who's not a member of The National Rifle Association.

Zack
April 7, 2010, 04:37 PM
Are those welded to the tower thing?

paintballdude902
April 7, 2010, 04:41 PM
zack the tower looks like wood to me

Al LaVodka
April 7, 2010, 09:40 PM
The horror. The horror...
Al

Big_E
April 7, 2010, 09:58 PM
Terrible, I hate these gun burnings and things like gun buybacks because it destroys history. Kenya should have kept these to sell them to other countries or maybe arm their citizens (oh wait, they like to control them). Getting rid of our past is sad and we will not learn by destroying/covering it up.

gasteffens
April 7, 2010, 11:22 PM
That is on the level of the cash-for-clunkers scam.

FirearmsEnthusiast
April 7, 2010, 11:26 PM
that's probably $100,000 or more worth of guns there. Even if it cost $5,000 to transport them and $15,000 to export them, thats $80,000 for food and medicine for the poorest people. I think sometimes ideology blinds people to the good that can be done with what you have.

+100000

az_imuth
April 7, 2010, 11:34 PM
That is only one of many similar piles that were torched. I saw photos of several of those stacks before fire was set to them. I have no idea how many arms were in each stack, but it looks like hundreds.

What a waste...:banghead:

Mandolin
April 8, 2010, 12:11 AM
Yopu know, if the machine0gun registry was opened, again, violence in Africa would go don, Americans would be buyign up every full-auto on the continent. OTOH, the smart Africans would charge a fortune for their AKs, then go and buy HK weapons, thus showing that their enemys suck and....you get the point.

Keauxbi
April 8, 2010, 02:14 AM
I'm surprised there's not a pile of books on fire nearby

What kind of kindling do you think they used to start the fire? :fire: Hopefully it was copies of Dreams of my Father:) or The Audacity of Hope:D

Flashburn
April 8, 2010, 03:23 PM
here is a enlargement.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k308/deesnikon/TB%20crash/gunsburning.jpg

mickeydim468
April 8, 2010, 03:24 PM
Sad! Very Sad!

I just can't get my head around how people can be so stupid!

Mikey!

SwampWolf
April 8, 2010, 04:13 PM
Well, at least I'm sure their crime rate took a nose-dive...:what:

noob_shooter
April 8, 2010, 05:47 PM
and that's suppose to stop the killing?

SlamFire1
April 8, 2010, 09:31 PM
Obsolete military arms are worth their value as scrap. That is about it.

There are very few nations which allow private ownership of firearms, the US being very generous compared with the rest. Even so, who are you going to sell machine guns to in the US?

There are literally hundreds of millions of AK’s out there, add up the bolt rifles given away in the Cold War, probably hundreds of millions of them.

There are so many and there are so few legal buyers.

I hope that my firearms are shredded after my lifespan is complete. But, I may live too long, the way things are going.

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 8, 2010, 09:44 PM
Sort of off topic but can bring a properly demilled parts kit with any special license in the US?

Mr.Davis
April 9, 2010, 12:22 AM
I hope that my firearms are shredded after my lifespan is complete.
Um, what?

RP88
April 9, 2010, 01:10 AM
not all of those were obsolete. Hell, in the enlarged pic, you can clearly see an RPG-7

offthepaper
April 9, 2010, 11:12 AM
Obsolete military arms are worth their value as scrap. That is about it.

I dunno. The Taliban and Iraqi fighters have been making a pretty good show of themselves against the "worlds greatest superpower". While I understand that a modern military rifle will lay down more firepower and some with a bit more acurracy than a older bolt action or even older semis, to say they have no value, well I disagree. From the reports of discovered weapons caches of everything from muskets, mosins, mausers, enfields, sks's, beater ak's, and even some homemade rifles; the fighters have managed to pretty much hold us (a.k.a. "worlds greatest superpower") at bay in what is now the longest war this country has ever been in. They have no navy, air force, satellite imaging, drones, , advanced missle systems and yet they are still pose a very serious danger to our forces and the countries natural inhabitants . They have determined fighters and use guerilla tactics and use their knowledge of the terrain to their advantage. This coupled with the willingness to die for their holy war makes them an extremely difficult enemy to defeat. Their obsolete weapons have served them well.
This not to even mention the value of one of these weapons to a citizen in the area of a conflict such as africa or where ever. If you have to defend yourself and/or your family from the BG's, it sure works better than some rocks or a stick.

There are very few nations which allow private ownership of firearms, the US being very generous compared with the rest.

This is known as freedom and liberty.


Even so, who are you going to sell machine guns to in the US?

Machine guns can be bought in the US.
I'd like to have one.

I hope that my firearms are shredded after my lifespan is complete.

No problem.
Send them to me. I have perfected a technique of making guns inoperable. I put them in my safe and religously remove them and wear out their barrel linings one round at a time. This may take some time, but I'm willing to help you out with your last wish.


But, I may live too long, the way things are going.

On this my friend, we agree.

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