Most powerful magnum loads with an SP101?


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TwoNiner
April 8, 2010, 02:32 AM
I've shot the federal american eagle (http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/handgun.aspx?id=77) 158g JSP load (539ftlb at 1240fps) out of my SP101. Good accuracy and the recoil was stout but manageable. It looks to be one of the more powerful 357 loads available. Another I'm considering, but have not shot, is the Corbon 180g JSP (http://www.dakotaammo.net/CORBON-Hunter/357-Mag-180gr-CORBON-Hunter-BCSP/HT357180BC-20/300/Product). Would this be OK with the SP101? I also have some fiocci ~148g tapered FMJ on hand already (never shot them yet).

What load would you use for defense against large cats, eg. mountain lions? Some can be up to 200lbs.

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c919
April 8, 2010, 03:41 AM
Well the SP101 is sighted for 158g, so I stay in that weight. I carry (for 2 leggers) Gold Dot 158's in mine. FWIU, you should carry the same for mountain kitty defense as you would a large human, so I'd say those GD's would be fine.

Those cats have very thin skin, so about any decent SD round should do you good. If you really want to max out the power scale, I'd recommend the offerings from Double Tap and Buffalo Bore. Double Tap actually makes some Gold Dots, so that'd probably be a great choice.

Elgin47
April 8, 2010, 12:05 PM
Some are bigger than 200 lbs.

317 lbs. - shot near Wenatchee, WA.


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amd6547
April 8, 2010, 12:06 PM
I shoot the DoubleTap 125gn Bondedcore load in my 3" SP101...it makes the 158gn AE JSP seem tame by comparison.

VA27
April 8, 2010, 06:58 PM
The SP will take any factory load available. I like the Speer 158gr GoldDot, the Federal 158gr HydroShok and 180gr CastCore, the Winchester 145gr SilverTip and the Remington 158, 165 and 180gr JSPs.

I haven't tried the CorBon or Buffalo Bore rounds simply because I'm totally happy with any or all of the above.

JWF III
April 8, 2010, 09:22 PM
GOOD LORD THAT"S A BIG CAT.:what:

I may have had to change my underwear if I saw that one coming towards me.:what:

Wyman

Sorry for the OT post. I just can't get over the size of that cat. Head and paws especially.:eek:

AKElroy
April 8, 2010, 09:25 PM
is the Corbon 180g JSP. Would this be OK with the SP101?

You bet; they are chunky little tanks. I regret selling mine. If you have a 2" barrel, the muzzle blast will be really pretty.

The_Shootist
April 8, 2010, 11:00 PM
Jeez that cat is HUGE! Looks like a small lion!!

If I ran into one that size on a day I'm carrying my SP 101 I hope I'm carrying some VERY stout BB loads!

Beagle-zebub
April 9, 2010, 12:19 AM
GOOD LORD THAT"S A BIG CAT.

I may have had to change my underwear if I saw that one coming towards me.

Wyman

Sorry for the OT post. I just can't get over the size of that cat. Head and paws especially.

+1 on this entire post.

TwoNiner
April 9, 2010, 01:06 AM
AKElroy, yes it is a 2.25 barrel. I didn't notice much muzzle blast with the federal 158g, have you shot that load, and if so how does it compare to the 180g corbon?

That is a huge mountain lion. They don't get that big around here. What a magnificant animal. I just need a good round for defense (I don't hunt).

DBR
April 9, 2010, 01:58 AM
After shooting a 180# Russian Boar with several rounds of Federal 357 158gr HP out of a 4" revolver all I can say is get good 180gr Hardcast like BB. I know cats aren't pigs but I now know that ammo that penetrates deep is most likely to work on dangerous wild animals.

AKElroy
April 9, 2010, 08:58 AM
I didn't notice much muzzle blast with the federal 158g, have you shot that load, and if so how does it compare to the 180g corbon?

I never shot anything heavier than 158g; it was my truck gun. I would not hesitate to shoot heavier solids in it for hiking through the woods; especially with dangerous game lurking about.

Water-Man
April 9, 2010, 10:37 AM
Buffalo Bore 180gr. LFN-GC

MCgunner
April 9, 2010, 11:48 AM
Mine was a 2.3" barrel model. I shot a 180 grain Hornady XTP over 13.8 grains of AA#9 in it which gave me 1302 fps/662 ft lbs. It shot to point of aim and 2" groups. Recoil was stout, but with a Hogue grip, was manageable.

The SP101 is as strong as any L frame IMHO and can shoot any load not exceeding maximum SAAMI pressure. That would include Buffalo Bore in factory ammo. I'd shy away from a steady diet in a J frame, but the SP101 will eat that stuff all day and come back for more. You'll wear out first.

Zundfolge
April 9, 2010, 01:42 PM
Jeebus Elgin47, at first I thought you took that cat with an SP101 snubbie! That would be a heckova story there! :D

sniper5
April 9, 2010, 07:48 PM
I wouldn't hesitate to shoot any SAAMI load in an SP101. HOWEVER, remember that lots of handload combinations can reach 45,000 psi (the old original pressure limit). SAAMI lists 35,000 as maximum. Like it says in the warnings (that half the people who buy the manuals never read): APPROACH MAXIMUM LOADS CAREFULLY!

The Lone Haranguer
April 9, 2010, 08:39 PM
You won't hurt the gun. (Your hand may be another story. :p) The extra penetration of the 180-gr. load is not really needed for even the largest mountain lions, as they are muscular but not very thick-skinned or heavy-boned.

Elgin47
April 10, 2010, 12:02 AM
Didn't mean to semi-hijack the thread with the cat pics, apologies to the OP. Just couldn't resist. I didn't shoot it, the pictures were sent to me by someone who knew the shooter.

Just to keep on track, I bought a new SP101 today - 2.25" - enclosed hammer - I saw this thread researching the purchase, so at least my intentions were good. Ordered a Simply Rugged Silver Dollar pancake to go with it.

Also looking for ammo opinions so I appreciate all the input here.

MCgunner
April 10, 2010, 10:50 AM
I prefer heavier bullets in snubs. My own favorite is the 140 grain Speer JHP. It is very accurate. 125 grain are lighter cannot perform from such short barrels. They accelerate out of the bore before the pressure peaks in most loads. Short barrel loads use faster powders that aren't efficient in magnum calibers, catch 22. The solution is a heavier bullet and 140 grain, in my chronographing, seems to be the best compromise. Some prefer a 158, that's okay, but I think a little bit of over-penetration for self defense and I find the 140 more pleasant to shoot and with less muzzle flip, faster recovery. .

Kernel
April 10, 2010, 11:16 AM
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griz1
April 10, 2010, 11:20 AM
I have the SP101 3 inch and sometimes shoot 180 and 200 gr Cor Bons without any problem. They are a handful but not real bad. I have compact grips on mine.

goon
April 10, 2010, 12:12 PM
My preferred woods carry load is a 158 grain Jacketed Soft Point from Magtech. Should penetrate a little deeper than JHP loads from either Magtech or Federal (which I also have shot) and the magtech loads seem just a little hotter than Federal (American Eagle). Magtech also makes a flat pointed FMJ load and I can't see why it wouldn't do at least as well as a hard cast lead round.

Best, the recoil isn't that severe and the ammo hits where the sights say it should.

Guillermo
April 10, 2010, 12:29 PM
Guess I am the odd man out. In my snubbie .357 (actually my current wife's 686 7 shot, 3 inch) I shoot Speer Gold Dot 125 grain.

Point of aim is marginally higher but my goal is higher velocity

amd6547
April 10, 2010, 12:50 PM
You may think 125gn loads don't perform in shorter barrels, but after shooting them in my 3" SP101, I disagree. No, I have not chronographed them, not have fired them into gelletin...but seeing the impact in mud was pretty impressive.

MCgunner
April 10, 2010, 02:02 PM
I have chronographed 'em in the 2.3" SP101. The hot 125 grain load was in the mid 1100 fps range. The hot 140 was 1340 fps. Plus, the flash bang was MUCH worse with the 125 grain.

loads were

125 grain JHP over 18 grains 2400
140 grain JHP over 17 grains 2400

A faster powder will help out in the short barrel, but I prefer the heavier bullet.

Buy a chronograph and get back to me. :D

The Lone Haranguer
April 10, 2010, 02:35 PM
The hot 125 grain load was in the mid 1100 fps range.
:confused: That is no better than a decent 9mm Luger load. Possibly, the powder is too slow burning for the light bullet.

MCgunner
April 10, 2010, 08:54 PM
That is no better than a decent 9mm Luger load. Possibly, the powder is too slow burning for the light bullet.

Something like blue dot will likely be more appropriate, but facts are, the 125 grainer is not going to be efficient out of the 2" guns. Heavier bullets are more efficient. You're right, I get 1262 fps from a 115 grain 9x19 out of a 3" Kel Tec barrel, a more efficient round. You can likely get close to or a little better than that with a faster powder and the 125 grain .357, but I'd rather tote the pocket 9, less flash/bang, less recoil, more firepower. The 140 grain .357 begins to distance the 9 even in a 2" barrel. Give it a 3" barrel to work with and it's becoming worth all the flash/bang. :D

It's for the above reasons and the fact that .357 is not fun in 12 ounce snubs, that I consider the .357 a 3" belt gun minimum size and I'll shoot 140s in it. Anyway, 140s and heavier are easier on forcing cones.

Boom Vang
December 18, 2010, 09:50 PM
I know this a little late to this thread, but I just went through the same drill with a pair of new SP101s - a .357 3" barrel, and a .357 2" DAO.

That Federal American Eagle .357 load of 158 grain JSP is also very accurate in both my guns. At 25 yards, the 3" gun puts 5 shots into 2" regularly, and POI is right on the nose. Velocity in the 3" barrel averaged 1150 fps (1100 fps in the 2" gun). I think that load would be good medicine as a high penetration field load. Not much terminal ballistic data around, and I haven't shot any animals with it, but what little data is out there indicates at least 18"of penetration through tissue and expansion to .43-.48.

I did some handloading for these guns, looking for a SD load with high expansion. I tried Sierra 140 JHC and found it to be very accurate in both guns, and they shot to POA at 25 yards. As I was loading these in .38 Special cases as .38-44 level loads suitable only for .357 Magnum guns, I won't publish the load data, but the cases ejected easily and I was able to achieve 1180 fps in the 2" barrel DAO version. That is over 430 fpe and recoil was not excessive.

In another loading with the Hornady 158 XTP-HP, the 2" barrel gun achieved 1170 fps. Good little guns.

Hondo 60
December 19, 2010, 01:37 AM
GOOD LORD THAT"S A BIG CAT.

I may have had to change my underwear if I saw that one coming towards me.

+2000 or what ever.

I don't think I'd go looking for a cat with a .357. :eek:

788Ham
December 19, 2010, 01:57 AM
Yes, I think a .44 would be more in line here, JMHO With kitty's like that out roaming around, I'd want to be bouncing 180 gr to 200 gr at least off of his ribs! A massive cat to say the least. Sorry about robbing the thread here!

stinger 327
December 19, 2010, 03:49 AM
Well the SP101 is sighted for 158g, so I stay in that weight. I carry (for 2 leggers) Gold Dot 158's in mine. FWIU, you should carry the same for mountain kitty defense as you would a large human, so I'd say those GD's would be fine.

Those cats have very thin skin, so about any decent SD round should do you good. If you really want to max out the power scale, I'd recommend the offerings from Double Tap and Buffalo Bore. Double Tap actually makes some Gold Dots, so that'd probably be a great choice.

I heard Gold Dot makes special ammo for guns with 2 inch or shorter barrels is this true if so which Gold Dot type?

Also the Buffalo Bore brand 125 grain .357 rated at 1,702 fps is the heaviest kicker of all.

Deaf Smith
December 19, 2010, 09:48 AM
Buffalo Bore is the way to go! Get the 158gr JHP Gold dots at about 1350 from your SP101 and HANG ON!

Deaf

stinger 327
December 19, 2010, 06:03 PM
Buffalo Bore is the way to go! Get the 158gr JHP Gold dots at about 1350 from your SP101 and HANG ON!

Deaf
Is this the ammo in 158 grains I heard of that is made especially for short barrel snubs?

Deaf Smith
December 19, 2010, 10:36 PM
Nope it isn't Stinger!

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a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1398 fps <----
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1476 fps

2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1485 fps <----
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1603 fps

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S&W mod. 66 2-1/2-inch barrel -1,097 fps (422 ft. lbs.)
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Deaf

stinger 327
December 20, 2010, 05:53 AM
Nope it isn't Stinger!

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=102


1. 3 inch S&W J frame
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1398 fps <----
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1476 fps

2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1485 fps <----
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 1603 fps

But do not dispare!!!! The low flash short barrel stuff gets this:

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S&W mod. 340PD 1-7/8 inch barrel -1,015 fps (361 ft. lbs.)
S&W mod. 66 2-1/2-inch barrel -1,097 fps (422 ft. lbs.)
S&W mod. 65 3-inch barrel -1,172 fps (481 ft. lbs.)
S&W Mt. Gun 4-inch barrel -1,232 fps (532 ft. lbs.)
Colt Python 6-inch barrel -1,198 fps (503 ft. lbs.)

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stinger 327
December 20, 2010, 05:55 AM
Don't forget there is also Hornady Critical Defense but that is ammo that is very difficult to find. Everyone is out of it.

black timber
December 21, 2010, 01:51 AM
I have a 3" sp101 and have shot max loads of H110 & AA#9 with 180 hard cast out of it. It's a handful for sure, but with the hogues it's not that bad at all. It's still tight as ever too.

WYO
December 22, 2010, 01:49 PM
I recently shot some 180 grain flat point Buffalo Bores out of my 3 inch. It was not a pleasant experience. It was much easier shooing the 125 grain Gold Dots that I chronographed at 1327 mv out of the gun. I did not get a chance to chronograph the Buffalo Bores.

motorcycle-charlie
December 22, 2010, 02:34 PM
i just picked up some Hornaday Custom 125gr XTP .357 hollow points. they say 1500fps at the muzzle. anyone have any experience with this load? how do they shoot out of the 2.25 barrel?

stinger 327
December 22, 2010, 02:44 PM
I recently shot some 180 grain flat point Buffalo Bores out of my 3 inch. It was not a pleasant experience. It was much easier shooing the 125 grain Gold Dots that I chronographed at 1327 mv out of the gun. I did not get a chance to chronograph the Buffalo Bores.
I shot some of the BB 125gr. 1,702 fps in both SP-101 and S & W 66. In both cases it was not a pleasure but I would hate to be on the receiving side of that load in any gun. It's devistation.

The BB 180 lead flat point isn't as bad as far as recoil.

stinger 327
December 22, 2010, 02:46 PM
i just picked up some Hornaday Custom 125gr XTP .357 hollow points. they say 1500fps at the muzzle. anyone have any experience with this load? how do they shoot out of the 2.25 barrel?
The Corbon Powerball is also a high velocity round 1,600+

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