H&K with Silencer


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Benzene
April 8, 2010, 08:03 PM
Today I visited a local gun store and saw an H&K /45ACP caliber pistol (about $900) with a silencer (+$800). I wonder what the resident experts here think about buying this combination. Thanks

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FirearmsEnthusiast
April 8, 2010, 08:19 PM
I'm guessing that it was a USP considering SOCOMS aren't as cheap, what suppressor were you looking at?

RevolvingGarbage
April 8, 2010, 08:44 PM
And do remember you need the tax stamp in your hand before you actuallly buy the suppressor.

Gun Wielding Maniac
April 8, 2010, 09:40 PM
Well, technically, you can buy the silencer without the tax stamp. You just cant pick it up from your Class 3 dealer without the stamp.

PTK
April 8, 2010, 09:43 PM
Today I visited a local gun store and saw an H&K /45ACP caliber pistol (about $900) with a silencer (+$800). I wonder what the resident experts here think about buying this combination. Thanks
That's downright cheap for a USP-T, if it's .45. If 9x19, both prices are a bit steep but as you mentioned it's .45acp.

That done with, what brand is the silencer? Model? Year of manufacture?

possum
April 9, 2010, 02:34 AM
$800 for the can, it depends on who makes it and what model it it. if it is a Ti rant from AAC then that sounds right.

PTK
April 9, 2010, 02:58 AM
And if it's basically anything else.... :(

waterhouse
April 9, 2010, 12:37 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/waterhouse/IMGP1417.jpg

I like mine. Fun toy. I'm in the process of threading a barrel for a 1911, at which point I'll likely sell the USP Tac just because I prefer the 1911, but the setup works well.

As mentioned, you'll need to find out the make and model of the suppressor before we can determine if it is a reasonable price.

Benzene
April 9, 2010, 07:23 PM
Thanks for the useful replies (all so far). I called the guy at the store and all he could tell me is that the silencer is from SilencerCO.

waterhouse, your "system" looks GREAT!

PTK
April 9, 2010, 08:16 PM
Is the silencer rectangular? If so, that setup is worth every single penny of the price, and is a very good deal indeed.

The Osprey 45 is basically matched for the title of "best .45 silencer", currently. The MSRP is $850, so $800 is a fair price indeed.

WoofersInc
April 9, 2010, 08:42 PM
If it is from SilencerCo it is an Osprey. That is the only 45 silencer that they are making right now. It is probably one of the best 45 silencers on the market right now. I am seriously considering getting one even though I already have a 45 silencer. Current set-up is an HK Tactical with a CCF Impuls II.

http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/38301/2658700110088415409S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2658700110088415409pMfaks)

Benzene
April 12, 2010, 04:33 PM
Does a silencer interfere with the accuracy of the firearm? Thanks

Wahoo95
April 12, 2010, 04:40 PM
No, the silencer will not interfere with accuracy. Yes, if it's an Osprey that would be a helluva deal! The new Osprey is quiet, however don't expect "Hollywood Quiet" :)

PTK
April 12, 2010, 05:58 PM
Yes, actually, DO expect "Hollywood Quiet" when running the Osprey 45 with water. It's absurd - on par with a silenced .22lr pistol.

Wahoo95
April 12, 2010, 07:04 PM
I don't even consider silenced .22 Semi Auto to be Hollywood quiet :)

PTK
April 12, 2010, 07:07 PM
Haha, well, okay then. You win, on that one. ;)

Wahoo95
April 12, 2010, 07:27 PM
Seriously though, I did hear Hollywood quiet recently while out shooting with another guy. He has the sweetest intergral CZ452 that is SPOOKY quiet! The intergral can has 14 baffles in it and truly the only thing you hear is the click from the firing pin and the sound of the bullet cutting through the air!

PTK
April 12, 2010, 11:48 PM
Seriously though, I did hear Hollywood quiet recently while out shooting with another guy. He has the sweetest intergral CZ452 that is SPOOKY quiet! The intergral can has 14 baffles in it and truly the only thing you hear is the click from the firing pin and the sound of the bullet cutting through the air!
My Romanian trainer in .22lr is like that as well, with a muzzle silencer and subsonics.

tincanhunter
April 14, 2010, 10:57 PM
"Does a silencer interfere with the accuracy of the firearm?"

The Gemtech (w/o Nielson device) my dad has on his USP 45 Tactical doesn't shoot to POI with the suppressor on. The pistol shoots about 6"-7" high and to the right at 25yds with the suppressor. It hits dead on without. Hopefully I won't have issues with my setup once the paperwork comes back.

PTK
April 15, 2010, 02:14 AM
Quality silencers don't have that issue.

JTW Jr.
April 15, 2010, 02:19 AM
Quality silencers don't have that issue.

you mean Quality silencers mounted on bll's that are quality threaded don't have that issue ;)

PTK
April 15, 2010, 03:49 AM
Indeed. ;)

springwalk
May 19, 2010, 12:00 AM
The Gemtech Blackside is known for having a poi shift. Its by far the smallest 45 silencer made, just 6". So to keep it on db reduction par with the 8-9" silos that SWR and AAC make they put in aggressive baffles that strip away the gases but that causes side turbulance nudging the bullet in one direction. I know this cuz my Blackside does the same for me. My Sig and Glock are dead accurate without it, but when I screw the can on my groups shift a few inches off due the baffle arrangement. The only way to combat point of shift impact is by an indexing system, which simple threads dont allow. Still its a great little can that really excells on .44 and 45 long colt carbines.:)

PTK
May 19, 2010, 12:11 AM
The Gemtech Blackside is known for having a poi shift. Its by far the smallest 45 silencer made, just 6". So to keep it on db reduction par with the 8-9" silos that SWR and AAC make they put in aggressive baffles that strip away the gases but that causes side turbulance nudging the bullet in one direction. I know this cuz my Blackside does the same for me. My Sig and Glock are dead accurate without it, but when I screw the can on my groups shift a few inches off due the baffle arrangement. The only way to combat point of shift impact is by an indexing system, which simple threads dont allow. Still its a great little can that really excells on .44 and 45 long colt carbines.:)

Wrong, the Blackside is 7.6" long, as it now has a Nielsen device. The Thompson Machine, which is actually quite nice, quiet for what it is, and is only 6.8” long, 1.375" diameter, and 5.4oz, versus the Blackside's 7.6" OAL, 1.370" diameter, and 10oz.

Also, the Blackside is by no means anywhere near as quiet as the Osprey 45 or the AAC Evolution 45, nor the AAC Ti-Rant 45. Back when it was released, the Blackside was good, cutting-edge tech, but no longer.

One last point - baffles that are "aggressive" do not screw up bullet path. Baffles that are poorly machined and/or poorly designed, do. :(

Just thought I'd clear that up. ;)

springwalk
May 19, 2010, 12:31 AM
:neener:Maybe your Blackside is 7.6" but mine is 6". Just to let you know Gemtech still offers it without the booster so it remains 6" and I assure you it is quieter than the Thompson unit you speak of as I heard it and its not as quiet as the Gemtech unit. The Blackside isnt as quiet as my Osprey. The Blackside is very much similar in db reduction as the AAC Evo45, SWR Hems2 and KAC 45. As they all are wet cans that reduce db around 22db-dry and 34-wet. I chose the Blackside cuz it was the smallest while being equally quiet, but I give up poi due the aggressive baffles. My Osprey 45 doesnt shift groups as its a larger can with much more volume. The Osprey is so awesome that when shot dry its very similar to all the others mentioned shot wet. Now image the Osprey wet!:cool:

PTK
May 19, 2010, 02:07 AM
I have a hard time believing that your Blackside is as quiet as an Evo45 or KAC45. Until the Osprey45 and Ti-Rant came out, the KAC45 was the QUIETEST can out there. Are you going by ear, by numbers from the manufacturer, or by numbers from independent testing?

degunner
May 19, 2010, 02:32 AM
I have a friend in PA that told me HK will void the warranty on the firearm if used with a suppressor made by anyone other that KAC. I am not sure if it was model dependant but he has a USP 45 tac full size. He purchased a KAC suppressor for that reason. I have been meaning to look into but I live in a suppressor prohibited state so I admit I haven't rushed to confirm it.

springwalk
May 19, 2010, 02:35 AM
You're right, the KAC was the quietest. It was marginally on and off safe dry. Its about 139db dry, sometimes 141-138 depending on atmosphere/weather, ammo and elevation. The Blackside according to Al Paulsons testings generally metered 142db dry, not quite safe . Wet they were closer in his findings. I recall 1db separated them, giving the KAC the edge. 130 wet range. He listed the readings 1 meter to the left of the barrel and to the ear reading. Generally 2 decibles are the difference to the two locations. I heard folks mention if one gets the Blackside with the booster/LID they get one more decible reduction. As for the Evo-45 I cant tell a difference between that and the Blackside. Many folks feel the SWR Hems2 was the next quietest behind the Knights can. To me the KAC isnt worth the $1200 price tag given it was barely quieter than the Blackside that I paid $585 and only 5oz, while the KAC is 15oz. Yep, the Osprey and Tirant have made all other 45 cans obsolete in my opinion, although I still like having a small, light can like the Blackside. :)

Ironman
May 19, 2010, 05:51 PM
To the OP, BUY THAT SETUP! Its worth every penny and a hellova deal at that!

I have a USPtac and HEMS2 and it sounds the best with 8cc's of wire pulling gel, water doesnt do as good a job. That being said, I still want a 45osprey as its worlds ahead of the HEMS2.

I have the 9mm Osprey for my USP9sd, but the 45 version would be sweet!

WoofersInc
May 22, 2010, 10:24 PM
I have a friend in PA that told me HK will void the warranty on the firearm if used with a suppressor made by anyone other that KAC. I am not sure if it was model dependant but he has a USP 45 tac full size. He purchased a KAC suppressor for that reason. I have been meaning to look into but I live in a suppressor prohibited state so I admit I haven't rushed to confirm it.


HK has said it will void the warranty unless you use the KAC suppressor. They also have said that the suppressor made by B&T was also allowed. This suppressor was made under contract here by CCF. It is the Impuls II which is the one I am running.

I am not sure how they would blame the suppressor and be able to prove that you were not using an approved one. Besides most companies say they will void the warranty for just about anything imaginable. Just about every single gun company says handloads will void the warranty. That doesn't stop millions of shooters from using them though. Is anybody aware of a company refusing to fix a gun because of handloads? (Of course if you blew the gun up with a double charge or something like that, I could see them denying the repairs..)

Warranty or not I still want one of the Ospreys for my HK.



Hey... Post #1000..:D

springwalk
May 23, 2010, 01:12 PM
warranty threats are often a good indicator the company you are dealing with has lousy customer service. its often used as a tool so they dont have to repair your product for free if something does happen. If you do a search though most 45 suppressors are tested and marketed mounted on a HK Tactical 45. it'll be ok.

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